2010 College Football Hiring/Firing Thread - Page 15

Matthean · 01-21-2011, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRox

Been busy as hell the last week plus so I haven't been active in this thread but I am glad to see Hoke get the gig and equally glad that it was just announced Ravens DC Greg Mattison is the new (kind of) DC at Michigan.

Guy has an incredible college resume and is widely regarded as an incredible recruiter.

Sounds a wee bit excited to be there.

TheWolverine.com - Video and more: Mattison talks defense, recruiting

MrBug708 · 01-21-2011, 05:53 PM

Wasn't your last DC the DC for two super bowl championships?

MrBug708 · 01-24-2011, 11:39 AM

Looks like Randy Shannon will be named UCLA's DC

BishopMVP · 01-25-2011, 04:30 PM

Major Connecticut donor wants $3 million gift back - ESPN

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"The primary reason [former UConn coach] Randy [Edsall] took another job is because he couldn't work with you," (UConn donor) Burton wrote to (UConn AD) Hathaway, according to The Day. "You are not qualified to be a Division I AD and I would have fired you a long time ago. You do not have the skills to manage and cultivate new donors."

dawgfan · 01-25-2011, 04:35 PM

While I know that an AD has to be willing to deal with a lot of crap from his biggest donors, this dude sounds like he's a big enough pain in the ass that it's better for UConn to tell him to hit the road.

molson · 01-25-2011, 04:49 PM

That's a lot of money for UConn, I think they'll try to kiss his ass and come up with a compromise. Maybe they can rename the team the "Fighting Burtons"

Swaggs · 01-25-2011, 04:49 PM

Wasn't it Joe Paterno who said to donors: "We want your money, not your advice."

bhlloy · 01-25-2011, 05:08 PM

If half of what that guy alleges in his letter is true (about the luxury boxes being empty and the AD not being able to attract donors) it sounds like the school needs the donor a lot more than the AD. Not a big fan of that situation, but money is the bottom line.

JonInMiddleGA · 01-25-2011, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

If half of what that guy alleges in his letter is true (about the luxury boxes being empty and the AD not being able to attract donors) it sounds like the school needs the donor a lot more than the AD. Not a big fan of that situation, but money is the bottom line.

While I tend to side with the donor on this at first blush (CPP? Seriously?) on the other end of the finances is the increase of roughly $8m in annual donations to the university itself vs 15 years ago, something that the increased profile of the athletic department is being credited with.
http://www.boston.com/sports/college...spending_more/

Lathum · 01-25-2011, 05:25 PM

Sounds to me like someone needs to explain to him that he doesn't own the team.

BishopMVP · 01-25-2011, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

While I tend to side with the donor on this at first blush (CPP? Seriously?) on the other end of the finances is the increase of roughly $8m in annual donations to the university itself vs 15 years ago, something that the increased profile of the athletic department is being credited with.
UConn scores by spending more - The Boston Globe

15 years ago they were just starting to become a national power in mens and womens basketball, and they were playing D1-AA football (not even particularly well at that). Hathaway was hired in 2003, with the move to the Big East completed and all 3 coaches (Auriemma/Calhoun/Edsall) in place - he's reportedly led to one leaving, and has mutual loathing with another (Calhoun - although really, who doesn't?) On the other side, he is chairing the NCAA Basketball Committee (despite UConn having an open lack of oversight case) and the donor seems like a douche. I thought it was worse at first - that he had published those letters, when in actually they were FOIA'd from the University.

cartman · 02-13-2011, 11:21 AM

Texas is back in the market for a defensive coordinator. A little less than a month after returning to Austin, Jerry Gray accepted the Titan's offer to become their new defensive coordinator.

DeToxRox · 02-13-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Texas is back in the market for a defensive coordinator. A little less than a month after returning to Austin, Jerry Gray accepted the Titan's offer to become their new defensive coordinator.

You mean DB Coach right? I thought Diaz took over as DC?

Eaglesfan27 · 02-13-2011, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Texas is back in the market for a defensive coordinator. A little less than a month after returning to Austin, Jerry Gray accepted the Titan's offer to become their new defensive coordinator.

DB coach right? Afraid this means the Trojans will be looking for a DB coach soon as Garza is a likely target to return to Texas.

cartman · 02-13-2011, 12:41 PM

Yeah, he was the DB coach/assistant Head Coach. Hadn't had enough coffee yet.

And, yes, Willie Mack is on the rumored short list to replace him.

DeToxRox · 02-14-2011, 11:02 AM

WMG is safe. Duane Akina is apparently leaving Arizona, where he just landed, to come back to UT.

Great for UT if true.

cartman · 02-14-2011, 11:08 AM

Yep, that is the word here in Austin. Akina is a great DB coach. He has sent a string of great DBs to the NFL. This whole coaching offseason in Austin has been a bit surreal, compared to the relative calm that had been in place since Brown took over. There were all sorts of rumors flying around as to why Akina left in the first place, and all of those are apparently disproven by his return.

Butter · 12-02-2014, 03:33 PM

All the Hoke talk in this thread from like Page 8 on is pretty amusing.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-02-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

All the Hoke talk in this thread from like Page 8 on is pretty amusing.

Easy Mac · 12-02-2014, 03:48 PM

I'm impressed this website was still updated until November 2013.

I'm less impressed it is no longer updated.

Forcier family, Forcier brothers include, Jason Forcier, Chris Forcier, and Tate Forcier. Jason Graduated Stanford ’09, Chris Forcier UCLA quarterback is now at Furman, while Tate Forcier Michigan quarterback, all born and raised in San Diego California.

Matthean · 12-02-2014, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

All the Hoke talk in this thread from like Page 8 on is pretty amusing.

I regret nothing. RR had to go. He was a terrible hire for Michigan. His success at Arizona doesn't change that. Hoke at least had shown signs for turning around other programs and his initial impression was rather likable. Too bad that was the extent of it.

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

I'm impressed this website was still updated until November 2013.

I'm less impressed it is no longer updated.

Forcier family, Forcier brothers include, Jason Forcier, Chris Forcier, and Tate Forcier. Jason Graduated Stanford ’09, Chris Forcier UCLA quarterback is now at Furman, while Tate Forcier Michigan quarterback, all born and raised in San Diego California.

I was thinking about him recently. All part of the mess that RR brought in. Michigan had Mallet and he then was gone after RR got hired. Hire a pro style coach, and I'm guessing Michigan wins more than 4.

Butter · 12-03-2014, 06:24 AM

My favorite Tate Forcier memory is the guy that made the image with "The Creation of Adam", but with God reaching down and touching Forcier's finger instead of Adam's.

That was LITERALLY the best.

MrBug708 · 12-03-2014, 08:49 AM

RR needed to fix the culture at Michigan. He needed time to fix the toxic environment and put his systems into place. It was bad but needed to be done. Hoke benefited from the clean house that RichRod did

CU Tiger · 12-03-2014, 09:17 AM

Pretty weird reading back through there.
Last time Michigan needed a HC, Clemson also was looking for an OC and here we are again.

Then read this concerning Chad Morris and remembered how much I agreed with Swaggs, only a few short years later it was more than doubled.

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Did he have other job offers? $750K seems pretty ridiculous.

JPhillips · 12-03-2014, 09:21 AM

I still want to mainstream Carr's Curse.

Honolulu_Blue · 12-03-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I still want to mainstream Carr's Curse.

Request denied.

RomaGoth · 12-03-2014, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

All the Hoke talk in this thread from like Page 8 on is pretty amusing.

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Originally Posted by Matthean

I regret nothing. RR had to go. He was a terrible hire for Michigan. His success at Arizona doesn't change that. Hoke at least had shown signs for turning around other programs and his initial impression was rather likable. Too bad that was the extent of it.

Same here. RichRod was a terrible choice at Michigan. Forget about the "Michigan Man" crap, his style did not mesh at a historically power running school like Michigan. I was not all that excited about Hoke either but he at least appeared to be more what they needed to get back on track.

No worries, Arizona will find out in a couple of years when RichRod's repertoire gets old and they remember who they are in Tucson (a basketball school).

BillJasper · 12-03-2014, 03:55 PM

I thought Hoke was a good hire. But if Bret Bret Bielema is already looking to move on from Arkansas then Michigan might be a good fit for his style of play.

Report: Nebraska in ‘serious talks’ with Bret Bielema | CollegeFootballTalk

Matthean · 12-03-2014, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

I thought Hoke was a good hire. But if Bret Bret Bielema is already looking to move on from Arkansas then Michigan might be a good fit for his style of play.

Report: Nebraska in ‘serious talks’ with Bret Bielema | CollegeFootballTalk

Why hire a guy unwilling to stay? Pretty damning of Wisconsin if he leaves and then comes back to the Big Ten two years later at a different school.

BillJasper · 12-03-2014, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Why hire a guy unwilling to stay? Pretty damning of Wisconsin if he leaves and then comes back to the Big Ten two years later at a different school.

Is it damning of Wisconsin or is Bielema turning into a job hopper?

Matthean · 12-03-2014, 05:45 PM

A bit of both. I don't see the ceiling for either school as being that different so why leave one to eventually end up at the other?

BillJasper · 12-03-2014, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

A bit of both. I don't see the ceiling for either school as being that different so why leave one to eventually end up at the other?

Money?

Matthean · 12-03-2014, 05:55 PM

Which again, seems kind of damning on Wisconsin's part in not keeping their coach paid well enough. Wisconsin was ruling the Big Ten. He should have gotten paid for that. MSU went through a similar ordeal before they caved and finally paid their coaching staff properly.

lungs · 12-03-2014, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

He should have gotten paid for that.

No, not really. Nobody really misses him around here.

BillJasper · 12-03-2014, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Which again, seems kind of damning on Wisconsin's part in not keeping their coach paid well enough. Wisconsin was ruling the Big Ten. He should have gotten paid for that. MSU went through a similar ordeal before they caved and finally paid their coaching staff properly.

But if they have a budgeted amount for their coaching staff, then I take my hat off to them for holding the line and not being forced into paying insane amounts of money.

Atocep · 12-03-2014, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BillJasper

But if they have a budgeted amount for their coaching staff, then I take my hat off to them for holding the line and not being forced into paying insane amounts of money.

Except Wisconsin is now paying it's assistants a total of $500k more than they were paying Bielema's assistants while paying Anderson $700k less than Bielema is making at Arkansas.

Whether it be fear of losing yet another coach or something else, Wisconsin crossed any line they had with Bielema on pay for Anderson.

JPhillips · 12-03-2014, 07:17 PM

Wisconsin athletics gets about eight million in subsidies from the general fund. How much should a public university spend on coaching salaries?

Lathum · 12-03-2014, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RomaGoth

Same here. RichRod was a terrible choice at Michigan. Forget about the "Michigan Man" crap, his style did not mesh at a historically power running school like Michigan. I was not all that excited about Hoke either but he at least appeared to be more what they needed to get back on track.

Being a power running school doesn't work anymore. Until Michigan learns that they will be stuck in mediocrity.

Butter · 12-04-2014, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Being a power running school doesn't work anymore. Until Michigan learns that they will be stuck in mediocrity.

Stanford and Wisconsin disagree with you.

Lathum · 12-04-2014, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Stanford and Wisconsin disagree with you.

I would think Michigan has loftier goals.

And the same Stanford that had the best QB prospect since Manning came out?

Butter · 12-04-2014, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

And the same Stanford that had the best QB prospect since Manning came out?

Yes, the same Stanford that rushed for over 210 yards per game in both 2010 and 2011. If you are Michigan, you should be able to attract some top-notch pro-style QBs to run that system fairly easily.

Matthean · 12-04-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I would think Michigan has loftier goals.

And the same Stanford that had the best QB prospect since Manning came out?

Until Kiffin came on board, I'm pretty sure 'Bama was known as a power running team, and they were doing okay. Michigan could also get access to far better talent than Stanford or Wisconsin could. I'm pretty sure a bad recruiting year at Michigan still beats Wisconsin in terms of ranking.

Matthean · 12-04-2014, 07:54 AM

Oh, I should add that so many of these teams with high flying offenses tend to have not so good of defenses, so a team that has a power running attack can move the ball on them and control the clock. Add in a defense that can slow them down enough, and odds are good you can more than simply hang with them. Just ask Oregon about Stanford.

Chief Rum · 12-04-2014, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Oh, I should add that so many of these teams with high flying offenses tend to have not so good of defenses, so a team that has a power running attack can move the ball on them and control the clock. Add in a defense that can slow them down enough, and odds are good you can more than simply hang with them. Just ask Oregon about Stanford.

Ever watch an Eagles game? There's a reason why high flying offenses seem to have bad defenses (there's a connection, and it is not focusing on one over the other).

Matthean · 12-04-2014, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Ever watch an Eagles game? There's a reason why high flying offenses seem to have bad defenses (there's a connection, and it is not focusing on one over the other).

You mean the same system that was used at Oregon, and as I pointed out Stanford has beaten? Yes, the defense puts up bad numbers due to being on the field longer, hence why a power running team should be even better against it.

JonInMiddleGA · 12-04-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Until Kiffin came on board, I'm pretty sure 'Bama was known as a power running team, and they were doing okay.

While the style might be "power", they've been awfully balanced offensively for a while now.

Bama offense last 7 years prior to Kiffin
2013: 248 Pass / 205 Rush
2012: 218 Pass / 226 Rush
2011: 215 Pass / 214 Rush
2010: 261 Pass / 183 Rush
2009: 188 Pass / 215 Rush
2008: 171 Pass / 185 Rush
2007: 225 Pass / 150 Rush

CU Tiger · 12-04-2014, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Stanford and Wisconsin disagree with you.

So you agree, they can succeed only if they get Harbaugh as the head coach?

J/K

Butter · 12-05-2014, 07:14 AM

I wouldn't mind Harbaugh to UM that much, as I feel that would end pretty spectacularly.

Much as I am waiting for the Urban Meyer era to blow up at some point.

Lathum · 12-05-2014, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Yes, the same Stanford that rushed for over 210 yards per game in both 2010 and 2011. If you are Michigan, you should be able to attract some top-notch pro-style QBs to run that system fairly easily.

But they were able to rush like that because of the QB. I guess if Michigan is going to get the next Andrew Luck you can win with those kind of rushing numbers, or if they can recruit enough SEC type guys on defense.

While Stanford and Wisconsin are solid teams, I would think Michigan has title asperations, not finish in the top 15 and play on New Years Day as their goals.

3 yards and a cloud of dust just doesn't work anymore.

IMO

BishopMVP · 12-05-2014, 07:25 PM

Other than 1 year with Russell Wilson Wisconsin has achieved that top 15 status with quarterbacks who were zero threat and what, 1 NFL WR? I don't think power running is a necessity, but I don't see why it isn't an option.

I also think Mississippi State/Florida under Dan Mullen, and Auburn when Can Newton was there are power running teams at their base. Sure they dress it up with misdirection but the base threat is the RB or QB running up the middle for 5+ yards.

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02-13-2011, 11:21 AM	#712
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Texas is back in the market for a defensive coordinator. A little less than a month after returning to Austin, Jerry Gray accepted the Titan's offer to become their new defensive coordinator. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

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cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Yeah, he was the DB coach/assistant Head Coach. Hadn't had enough coffee yet. And, yes, Willie Mack is on the rumored short list to replace him. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

02-14-2011, 11:08 AM	#717
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Yep, that is the word here in Austin. Akina is a great DB coach. He has sent a string of great DBs to the NFL. This whole coaching offseason in Austin has been a bit surreal, compared to the relative calm that had been in place since Brown took over. There were all sorts of rumors flying around as to why Akina left in the first place, and all of those are apparently disproven by his return. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

12-02-2014, 03:33 PM	#718
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	All the Hoke talk in this thread from like Page 8 on is pretty amusing. __________________ My listening habits

01-21-2011, 05:53 PM	#702
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Wasn't your last DC the DC for two super bowl championships?

01-24-2011, 11:39 AM	#703
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Looks like Randy Shannon will be named UCLA's DC

01-25-2011, 04:35 PM	#705
dawgfan Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Seattle	While I know that an AD has to be willing to deal with a lot of crap from his biggest donors, this dude sounds like he's a big enough pain in the ass that it's better for UConn to tell him to hit the road.

01-25-2011, 04:49 PM	#706
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	That's a lot of money for UConn, I think they'll try to kiss his ass and come up with a compromise. Maybe they can rename the team the "Fighting Burtons"

01-25-2011, 05:08 PM	#708
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If half of what that guy alleges in his letter is true (about the luxury boxes being empty and the AD not being able to attract donors) it sounds like the school needs the donor a lot more than the AD. Not a big fan of that situation, but money is the bottom line.

01-25-2011, 05:25 PM	#710
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Sounds to me like someone needs to explain to him that he doesn't own the team.

02-14-2011, 11:02 AM	#716
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	WMG is safe. Duane Akina is apparently leaving Arizona, where he just landed, to come back to UT. Great for UT if true.

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Easy Mac Registered User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Here	I'm impressed this website was still updated until November 2013. I'm less impressed it is no longer updated. Forcier family, Forcier brothers include, Jason Forcier, Chris Forcier, and Tate Forcier. Jason Graduated Stanford ’09, Chris Forcier UCLA quarterback is now at Furman, while Tate Forcier Michigan quarterback, all born and raised in San Diego California.

12-03-2014, 06:24 AM	#722
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	My favorite Tate Forcier memory is the guy that made the image with "The Creation of Adam", but with God reaching down and touching Forcier's finger instead of Adam's. That was LITERALLY the best. __________________ My listening habits Last edited by Butter : 12-03-2014 at 06:25 AM.

12-03-2014, 08:49 AM	#723
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	RR needed to fix the culture at Michigan. He needed time to fix the toxic environment and put his systems into place. It was bad but needed to be done. Hoke benefited from the clean house that RichRod did

12-03-2014, 09:21 AM	#725
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	I still want to mainstream Carr's Curse. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

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BillJasper Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Northern Kentucky	I thought Hoke was a good hire. But if Bret Bret Bielema is already looking to move on from Arkansas then Michigan might be a good fit for his style of play. Report: Nebraska in ‘serious talks’ with Bret Bielema \| CollegeFootballTalk __________________ The Confederacy lost, it is time to dismantle it.

12-03-2014, 05:45 PM	#731
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	A bit of both. I don't see the ceiling for either school as being that different so why leave one to eventually end up at the other? __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-03-2014, 05:55 PM	#733
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Which again, seems kind of damning on Wisconsin's part in not keeping their coach paid well enough. Wisconsin was ruling the Big Ten. He should have gotten paid for that. MSU went through a similar ordeal before they caved and finally paid their coaching staff properly. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

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JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	Wisconsin athletics gets about eight million in subsidies from the general fund. How much should a public university spend on coaching salaries? __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

12-04-2014, 07:54 AM	#743
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Oh, I should add that so many of these teams with high flying offenses tend to have not so good of defenses, so a team that has a power running attack can move the ball on them and control the clock. Add in a defense that can slow them down enough, and odds are good you can more than simply hang with them. Just ask Oregon about Stanford. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

12-05-2014, 07:14 AM	#748
Butter Coordinator Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Dayton, OH	I wouldn't mind Harbaugh to UM that much, as I feel that would end pretty spectacularly. Much as I am waiting for the Urban Meyer era to blow up at some point. __________________ My listening habits

12-05-2014, 07:25 PM	#750
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Other than 1 year with Russell Wilson Wisconsin has achieved that top 15 status with quarterbacks who were zero threat and what, 1 NFL WR? I don't think power running is a necessity, but I don't see why it isn't an option. I also think Mississippi State/Florida under Dan Mullen, and Auburn when Can Newton was there are power running teams at their base. Sure they dress it up with misdirection but the base threat is the RB or QB running up the middle for 5+ yards.

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