Werewolf LVII: Cathedral (GAME OVER!)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I don't find it odd cosndiering their roles

why, me and Oliegirl haven't been in cahoots?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

No odder than you and page being all budd buddy

how are we being buddy buddy?

[Lathum]

I;m sorry but I find it odd that Saldana comes up with this ill found suspicion against me then Neon Chaos unloads both barrels a short time later

[Abe Sargent]

I think there is a natural tendency in WW games for people t associate themselves with others of a similar role even if there is no game mechanic to do so. Maybe there is a game mechanic linked saldana and N_C that we do not know?

Or maybe they are just showing that affinity, but oliegirl just said she did want to lynch her knight, so let's not get too out of sorts at saldana and N+C

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Alright,if I'm looking at everything correctly, we have a 3 way tie between NC, Lathum and AlanT.

Saldana - you and I seem to be on the same page...I don't feel right voting for Lathum as he is my Knight and I do believe that he is good. I'm torn on NC and AlanT however...if you and I can come to an agreement between the 2 of them and cast our 4 collectivotes for one person, we should be able to successfully lynch who we want...what do you think?

Boldded per Lathum's request

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

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Does anyone else find it odd how buddy/ buddy Saldana and Neon Chaos have been?

Odd, but not necessarily sinister.

[Abe Sargent]

Bold didn't come through, but I bolded the part that says :I don;t feel right voting for Lathum as he is my knight.;

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Bold didn't come through, but I bolded the part that says :I don;t feel right voting for Lathum as he is my knight.;

that is WAY less then the 2 of them have been

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Does anyone else find it odd how buddy/ buddy Saldana and Neon Chaos have been?

i find it odd that you said you were out for the night and then suddenly reappeared after 2 votes came down on you

olie...as far as you and i getting onto the same page, i agree with not voting lathum right now...i think i have a pretty good idea about what he is doing.

i would be fine voting for CR...dont really have more than a hunch, but its a pretty good hunch.

[Neon_Chaos]

Well, Ser Knight, if you move your vote away from the Friar, towards whom I do not strongly feel any ill will, perhaps we can find an impass between the Lord Liege and the Novice, which, despite my strong feelings about going with, seems to be the only choice.

[path12]

Originally Posted by oliegirl

Has anyone given thought to the idea that NC is Gabriel or Lucifer? And that he is purposely making his posts convoluted and difficult to read???

Since the Bishop role is deliberately (sp?) vague about allegiance or victory conditions, I don't think Barkeep would allow that role to be either Gabriel or Lucifer. Personally, I like the flavor of his posts, even though I'm sorely tempted to vote for him. I always enjoy when players get into their roles.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

I think there is a natural tendency in WW games for people t associate themselves with others of a similar role even if there is no game mechanic to do so. Maybe there is a game mechanic linked saldana and N_C that we do not know?

Or maybe they are just showing that affinity, but oliegirl just said she did want to lynch her knight, so let's not get too out of sorts at saldana and N+C

I don't have that tendancy, I only associate myself with people I know I am on the same side as.

I also am leary of people who try and question my obviously good intentions and people who use both their votes to tryt and lynch me

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

i find it odd that you said you were out for the night and then suddenly reappeared after 2 votes came down on you

are you seriously trying to enlist this strategy?

[path12]

Brad, you're awful quiet. Thoughts?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

Well, Ser Knight, if you move your vote away from the Friar, towards whom I do not strongly feel any ill will, perhaps we can find an impass between the Lord Liege and the Novice, which, despite my strong feelings about going with, seems to be the only choice.

my vote stays on Saldana. The only way it changes is if I have to try and save myself

[saldana]

wow....am i the only one that thinks lathum is being rather defensive and blowing the entire "saldana and Neon_Chaos" thing waaaaaay out of proportion?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I don't have that tendancy, I only associate myself with people I know I am on the same side as.

I also am leary of people who try and question my obviously good intentions and people who use both their votes to tryt and lynch me

Well, at least I can certainly understand the latter.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

wow....am i the only one that thinks lathum is being rather defensive and blowing the entire "saldana and Neon_Chaos" thing waaaaaay out of proportion?

again, trying to set me up.

Am I the only one noticing this?

[Lathum]

anyone have a vote count?

[Abe Sargent]

Am I the only one not starting my posts with "Am I the only one"? '

[st.cronin]

Lathum, I think you should reconsider where you have your vote.

[Abe Sargent]

Yeah, vote count is good right now.

[Abe Sargent]

Let me see if I can bring the UTR guy to the table

PurdueBrad - whatcha thinkion>

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Lathum, I think you should reconsider where you have your vote.

why?

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

my vote stays on Saldana. The only way it changes is if I have to try and save myself

I admire your conviction, Ser. I think you have been erratic and have basically thrown us into a loop this day. My votes stay with you then, for the same reason.

[path12]

Originally Posted by saldana

wow....am i the only one that thinks lathum is being rather defensive and blowing the entire "saldana and Neon_Chaos" thing waaaaaay out of proportion?

No, but I also thought you were being really defensive after getting just one vote, so who knows?

[Abe Sargent]

11 people are here - practuially every player

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

I admire your conviction, Ser. I think you have been erratic and have basically thrown us into a loop this day. My votes stay with you then, for the same reason.

What the fuck did I do to throw anyone in a loop??????

I come up with a plan that makes sense, then Saldana comes out and says it is pointless, when I explain myself he completly ignores the explination and continues to question my reasoning.

Then EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THE DEADLINE ALANT FEELS THE NEED TO DOUBLE VOTE CHIEF RUM COMPLETELY NEGATING THE PROPOSED PLAN

Show me where I did anything other then defend my plan or defend myself?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by path12

No, but I also thought you were being really defensive after getting just one vote, so who knows?

i honestly wasnt trying to be defensive....i can prove i am a villager if i have to, or at least challenge anyone to prove i am not

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

why?

Because I don't think saldana is a demon. I believe he is aligned with the Bishop. I think its crucial for us to lynch a demon, and voting for saldana or Neon is not going to yield a demon.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Because I don't think saldana is a demon. I believe he is aligned with the Bishop. I think its crucial for us to lynch a demon, and voting for saldana or Neon is not going to yield a demon.

and why should I trust you?

[oliegirl]

VOTE CHIEF RUM

VOTE CHIEF RUM

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by path12

Brad, you're awful quiet. Thoughts?

Hey guys, utr player here, hehe. Not quite my style, been a weird week. Anyway, I don't have any read on the votes, which is one of the reasons I'm willing to focus on carpentry, my expertise as the carpenter. I think that we can possibly finish this cathedral as villagers but I think some of the vote fighting has to be between wolves and angels or wolves and villagers. I'm not touching it, I'll take the normal win condition of pulling off the cathedral. If I read it right, we can get some structure protection from at least one angel, some villagers may be able to protect parts, etc. I think we're in decent shape building-wise, particularly since the wolves can't repeat actions for three straight nights.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Because I don't think saldana is a demon. I believe he is aligned with the Bishop. I think its crucial for us to lynch a demon, and voting for saldana or Neon is not going to yield a demon.

Is this just a hunch, or do you have a basis for saying it?

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

What the fuck did I do to throw anyone in a loop??????

I come up with a plan that makes sense, then Saldana comes out and says it is pointless, when I explain myself he completly ignores the explination and continues to question my reasoning.

Then EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THE DEADLINE ALANT FEELS THE NEED TO DOUBLE VOTE CHIEF RUM COMPLETELY NEGATING THE PROPOSED PLAN

Show me where I did anything other then defend my plan or defend myself?

i am still waiting for you to explain what we gain from having you order oliegirl to vote instead of all of us deciding on someone to do it voluntarily.

by your ordering her, we cant verify her as someone that will follow the will of the village, and by following your plan, we cant verify anyone else, because she (and you) are the only ones driving the days decision.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Let me see if I can bring the UTR guy to the table

PurdueBrad - whatcha thinkion>

See my above post, don't want you to think I ignored you.

Let me add, I see value in Alan T's plan but I'm not sure if it is doable with two separate factions outside of us, particularly when it is in each group's best interest to force through a lynch vote. I support it though because I believe the voting might draw some lines between angels and demons from the villagers.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

and why should I trust you?

No reason whatsoever. But, I will tell you for the record that I am on the side of the village.

[PurdueBrad]

Now after reading some of the above, maybe it was Lathum's plan. Not sure, but it was one of their plans and I liked the idea of focusing on work, forcing the demons to choose between picking us off or the building (I think this does put pressure on the wolves as opposed to the usual game where the pressure is on us), and maybe letting the angels bag a demon or two.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

See my above post, don't want you to think I ignored you.

Let me add, I see value in Alan T's plan but I'm not sure if it is doable with two separate factions outside of us, particularly when it is in each group's best interest to force through a lynch vote. I support it though because I believe the voting might draw some lines between angels and demons from the villagers.

The angels, as far as I can tell, are on the side of the village:

Angels: Win a major victory if the church is completed. Win a minor victory if the devils are eradicated from the village but the church is not completed.

[Neon_Chaos]

Originally Posted by Lathum

What the fuck did I do to throw anyone in a loop??????

I come up with a plan that makes sense, then Saldana comes out and says it is pointless, when I explain myself he completly ignores the explination and continues to question my reasoning.

Then EIGHT HOURS BEFORE THE DEADLINE ALANT FEELS THE NEED TO DOUBLE VOTE CHIEF RUM COMPLETELY NEGATING THE PROPOSED PLAN

Show me where I did anything other then defend my plan or defend myself?

So, good Ser, you basically are saying that you think that the person who questioned your plan and not go against it has the stain of more guilt than that of he who actually broke your plan?

I was actually willing to go with your plan had you pulled through... I stated as much that I would have gone with the Page's vote. But then you cast the vote on the Friar, and have changed everything entirely.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

See my above post, don't want you to think I ignored you.

Let me add, I see value in Alan T's plan but I'm not sure if it is doable with two separate factions outside of us, particularly when it is in each group's best interest to force through a lynch vote. I support it though because I believe the voting might draw some lines between angels and demons from the villagers.

Yeah, I saw. With all of the frenetic posting, I missed path's first request of you, but I caught yiour resonse.

[Mr. Wednesday]

I make the current status as:
Five votes on CR - 2xAlan, 1xst.cronin, 2xoliegirl
One vote on saldana - Lathum
Three votes on Alan - Anxiety, CR, CR
Two votes on Lathum - NC, NC

[Mr. Wednesday]

Dola, and construction per the previous update IIRC by st.cronin.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

i am still waiting for you to explain what we gain from having you order oliegirl to vote instead of all of us deciding on someone to do it voluntarily.

by your ordering her, we cant verify her as someone that will follow the will of the village, and by following your plan, we cant verify anyone else, because she (and you) are the only ones driving the days decision.

am I not doing a good job explaining this or are you trying to make me look suspicous.

If I order her to do it she then HAS to do it and we can't get screwed publicly.

of course we can't verify her, but we can't verify anyone else's alligence either. all things equal Oliegirl is just as trustworthy as anyone else so why not have her cast the single vote.

[path12]

Count?

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I make the current status as:
Five votes on CR - 2xAlan, 1xst.cronin, 2xoliegirl
One vote on saldana - Lathum
Three votes on Alan - Anxiety, CR, CR
Two votes on Lathum - NC, NC

Thanks.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

The angels, as far as I can tell, are on the side of the village:

Yeah, I agree. My thought is let them do the picking off of demons, village focuses on working, and see what happens. Like I said, I think that by focusing on work and not accidentally killing ourselves off, we put the demons on the clock. Kind of like us building a lead and then running out the clock some. Make them make the moves and see if we can keep them on their heels. It might be naive since they have the power to kill us but the angels can do the same thing via the daily lynches if we let them step up and we stay the heck out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

No reason whatsoever. But, I will tell you for the record that I am on the side of the village.

oh, ok then, I trust you

[PurdueBrad]

That should read: the angels can do the same thing to them via the daily lynches...

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Neon_Chaos

So, good Ser, you basically are saying that you think that the person who questioned your plan and not go against it has the stain of more guilt than that of he who actually broke your plan?

I was actually willing to go with your plan had you pulled through... I stated as much that I would have gone with the Page's vote. But then you cast the vote on the Friar, and have changed everything entirely.

so me changing your aganda equals throwing the whole day into a loop?