WW XCV: Land of the Role Reveals GAME OVER - Page 15

lerriuqs · 05-28-2009, 07:41 PM

That's a good question, especially since he split the vote further...

lerriuqs · 05-28-2009, 07:43 PM

For the record, I'm heading home now and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline.

Barkeep49 · 05-28-2009, 07:52 PM

Lynch:
Lerriuqs – Purdue (696)
Schmidty – Racer (590)
Martin – lerriuqs (597)
Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682)
Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669)
Racer – Schmidty (681)

CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579)
dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680)

saldana · 05-28-2009, 07:57 PM

with nothing to direct me in any different direction from yesterday, i would have been ok voting for lerriuqs again, but i am not going to make a 3 way tie this close to the deadline

gotta go on gut at this point

vote tyrith

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 08:00 PM

:sigh: a vote this spread out will do nothing but make it easier for the wolves to influence this at deadline. Six candidates(close to each other in the vote) on day 2 less than 2 hours from deadline is almost unheard of nowadays.

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

what information are you hoping to get?

Wasn't he the other big candidate yesterday? Although I'm obviously off because I didn't think I was the first vote on him.

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

:sigh: a vote this spread out will do nothing but make it easier for the wolves to influence this at deadline. Six candidates(close to each other in the vote) on day 2 less than 2 hours from deadline is almost unheard of nowadays.

Agreed, I didn't think I spread it out further.

unvote lerriuqs

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 08:16 PM

With Saldana going Tyrith, I'll keep it tied at the top:

vote Danny

Racer · 05-28-2009, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saldana

with nothing to direct me in any different direction from yesterday, i would have been ok voting for lerriuqs again, but i am not going to make a 3 way tie this close to the deadline

gotta go on gut at this point

vote tyrith

Unvote Schmidty
Vote Tyrith

Schmidty doesn't seem to be drawing any suspicion from anyone else so I don't see a reason to keep a vote on him any longer.

What Danny (I think) pointed out earlier about Tyrith thinking Lerriuqs was good yesterday and then voting for him as a placeholder this morning is what bothers me. Maybe we'll get a bit more of vote movement and consolidation now that someone has a 2 vote lead.

Telle · 05-28-2009, 08:24 PM

I don't really have a read on anyone yet, so I'm just going to keep things close.

VOTE DANNY

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 08:36 PM

CR, dubb, you are the two that I trust right now. Thoughts on where you may go with your votes?

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 08:37 PM

I'm going to follow my gut from before. I might switch to a candidate with more votes later on if nothing develops here, but MartinD's decision to not use his belief votes is just odd.

VOTE MARTIND LYNCH

As for the belief votes, I would have liked to at least see another candidate tossed up, even if it's not me, but whatever works...

VOTE BELIEVE DUBB SEER
VOTE BELIEVE CHIEF RUM SEER

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

CR, dubb, you are the two that I trust right now. Thoughts on where you may go with your votes?

Just voted. I didn't have a solid idea just yet. I know the few I have on my temporary "slightly above neutral" trust list, and none of them would have gotten my vote. No one was really below neutral, though, until Martin's move, so he gets the vote.

I think without Martin's vote, I would have followed conventional logic and voted for a DT voter, probably taking a stab in the dark at one of the "middle" voters based on timing and the vote count at the time of said vote.

No real mysteries with my belief votes, I would think.

Barkeep49 · 05-28-2009, 08:40 PM

Lynch:
Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713)
Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709)
Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Purdue (708), Telle (710)
Racer – Schmidty (681)

CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712)
dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 08:40 PM

I should say, I didn't have a real solid idea before the Martin thing.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I'm going to follow my gut from before. I might switch to a candidate with more votes later on if nothing develops here, but MartinD's decision to not use his belief votes is just odd.

VOTE MARTIND LYNCH

As for the belief votes, I would have liked to at least see another candidate tossed up, even if it's not me, but whatever works...

VOTE BELIEVE DUBB SEER
VOTE BELIEVE CHIEF RUM SEER

CR I am going with you as well. I hate to bring another candidate to the table but the MartinD thing just strikes me as odd. I think it is the most we have to go on here today.

Vote MartinD

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

CR I am going with you as well. I hate to bring another candidate to the table but the MartinD thing just strikes me as odd. I think it is the most we have to go on here today.

Vote MartinD

Actually squirrel was him before you were. Didn't even notice that.

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 08:49 PM

I'll follow the two I trust.

unvote Danny
vote Martin D

Barkeep49 · 05-28-2009, 08:50 PM

Lynch:
Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), dubb (716), Purdue (718)
Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709)
Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710)
Racer – Schmidty (681)

CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712)
dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

Racer · 05-28-2009, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I should say, I didn't have a real solid idea before the Martin thing.

I liked your analysis on Martin from earlier, but what is the benefit to getting rid of someone you think is the Cultist (who counts as a villager) rather then trying to get a wolf? I preferably would want to wait until there was no night kill (possible conversion) to get rid of Martin.

Is it because there are no better options in your opinion?

Schmidty · 05-28-2009, 08:57 PM

Unvote Racer

Vote Danny

Just seeing what will happen.

Telle · 05-28-2009, 09:00 PM

Oooh, a three way tie. There's gotta be pretty good odds that one of them is a wolf. It'll be interesting watching vote maneuvering in this last hour.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:02 PM

It is a 3 way tie. I hope it doesn't end this way. At some point we need to start putting ourselves out there instead of falling back on me to break the tie. Tie votes muddy the voting record even further, especially if it is villagers trying to force the tie.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:05 PM

The non votes are Hoops, NtN and USFL.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:07 PM

CR is your feeling still that Martin was making a cultist play rather than a wolf play?

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

The non votes are Hoops, NtN and USFL.

Of these 3 USFL is the only one that hasn't believed anyone for seer either.

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

It is a 3 way tie. I hope it doesn't end this way. At some point we need to start putting ourselves out there instead of falling back on me to break the tie. Tie votes muddy the voting record even further, especially if it is villagers trying to force the tie.

As much as I would hate moving my vote again because we all know how that would look, but do we think that wolves would really let Martin D make that believe play? I guess he could be the cultist trying to get attention but still.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:10 PM

Quintuple dola less than an hour until deadline?

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:10 PM

PB you broke it up!

PurdueBrad · 05-28-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

PB you broke it up!

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I liked your analysis on Martin from earlier, but what is the benefit to getting rid of someone you think is the Cultist (who counts as a villager) rather then trying to get a wolf? I preferably would want to wait until there was no night kill (possible conversion) to get rid of Martin.

Is it because there are no better options in your opinion?

This early on, it's true there are no easy, proved options. Not enough game time has passed. In that situation, not much is needed to lynch someone.

As for the cultist possibility, you may not have noticed, but the cultist, if attacked, becomes a wolf. So there is definite benefit to removing one.

I think my issue with sticking with the Martin vote is that he clearly won't be around, as he is likely sleeping at the moment. Our issue is from a decision he made in his very last post before leaving. I would like to see a response from him, and that might move me to switch to another for today, and see what he says tomorrow. Then if I'm not satisfied with the answer, my vote will be back on him like peanut butter to bread.

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

CR is your feeling still that Martin was making a cultist play rather than a wolf play?

If he had to be either the cultist or a wolf, I would say cultist. I don't think the other wolves would let him make this move, even if he were inclined to do it (which, as a wolf, he probably wouldn't). But as the cultist, he has some motivation to somehow let the wolves know he is the cultist.

I can think of other ways a cultist might try to get the attention of the wolves, and I wouldn't go the route MartinD hypothetically would have, but it's not out of the realm of possibility that he was thinking exactly this and underestimated our reaction to his decision.

Racer · 05-28-2009, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

This early on, it's true there are no easy, proved options. Not enough game time has passed. In that situation, not much is needed to lynch someone.

As for the cultist possibility, you may not have noticed, but the cultist, if attacked, becomes a wolf. So there is definite benefit to removing one.

I think my issue with sticking with the Martin vote is that he clearly won't be around, as he is likely sleeping at the moment. Our issue is from a decision he made in his very last post before leaving. I would like to see a response from him, and that might move me to switch to another for today, and see what he says tomorrow. Then if I'm not satisfied with the answer, my vote will be back on him like peanut butter to bread.

Yeah, that's what I thought, but if he (or whoever is the cultist) is attacked, there won't be a night kill, right? There hasn't been a night without a night kill yet.

Maybe I just don't see a reason is taking out somebody who made a cultist move when there hasn't been a night without a night kill.

Schmidty · 05-28-2009, 09:27 PM

Ok, making chicken chili, but I'll be parked in the thread and check it every few before deadline.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Yeah, that's what I thought, but if he (or whoever is the cultist) is attacked, there won't be a night kill, right? There hasn't been a night without a night kill yet.

Maybe I just don't see a reason is taking out somebody who made a cultist move when there hasn't been a night without a night kill.

You are protecting Martin really hard here as the deadline gets closer.

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Yeah, that's what I thought, but if he (or whoever is the cultist) is attacked, there won't be a night kill, right? There hasn't been a night without a night kill yet.

Maybe I just don't see a reason is taking out somebody who made a cultist move when there hasn't been a night without a night kill.

Why would we want to wait until the cultist is converted? If you have an out and out wolf, yeah, we'll go for him. But who exactly is on the block who is an obvious wolf? Seems to me MartinD has taken the most suspicious action thus far.

If we had some clear suspicions elsewhere, I might agree with you, but all we have here is some people who voted for a villager on next to no information (it having been a Day One vote).

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:31 PM

USFL was here and didn't vote OR believe a seer. Now he is gone.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:31 PM

UNVOTE Martin
VOTE USFL

Barkeep49 · 05-28-2009, 09:34 PM

Lynch:
Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), Purdue (718)
Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709)
Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710), Schmidty (721)
USFL – dubb (738)

CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712)
dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

Racer · 05-28-2009, 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Why would we want to wait until the cultist is converted? If you have an out and out wolf, yeah, we'll go for him. But who exactly is on the block who is an obvious wolf? Seems to me MartinD has taken the most suspicious action thus far.

If we had some clear suspicions elsewhere, I might agree with you, but all we have here is some people who voted for a villager on next to no information (it having been a Day One vote).

Yeah I agree no one on the block is an obvious wolf or even more likely to be bad then Martin.

Tyrith made a slightly suspicious move with his placeholder vote this morning, but I agree that isn't much. Not sure why Danny is on the block (other then maybe he voted for DT).

Chief Rum · 05-28-2009, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

UNVOTE Martin
VOTE USFL

I agree that that's odd, but are you sure we should be introducing a new candidate at this time?

I am more inclined to give USFL the benefit of the doubt for the next 15 mins and see if he comes back to vote. If he doesn't, I might reconsider.

I am still semi-leaning toward switching my vote anyway, because I want to know what MartinD has to say about his decision to not vote belief.

Racer · 05-28-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

UNVOTE Martin
VOTE USFL

Since I generally trust you more then anyone else and since a show up, browse the thread, and leave seems more suspicious then a placeholder vote,

Unvote: Tyrith
Vote: USFL

Schmidty · 05-28-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubb93

UNVOTE Martin
VOTE USFL

Not that I care that you voted for him (i.e. - I am not sticking up for him), do you actually think a wolf would be that stupid? Seems like a bit of a wasted vote.

Schmidty · 05-28-2009, 09:41 PM

Dola. Same goes for Racer.

Tyrith · 05-28-2009, 09:41 PM

Well...I have no idea what to do here. Honestly, I think the Martin thing (trying to dodge) or the USFL thing (UTR, not being helpful) are more substantive than the Danny thing - I suspect yesterday was villager on villager. I have to sit for now, but I will do what I have to do to not die.

BTW, it really frustrates me that people can't understand placeholder as placeholder. I put it out there to avoid exactly what Martin/USFL did, in case I wouldn't get it back, and I'm getting heat for it. There's a nasty middle ground when we have no information - votes or not votes?

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

I agree that that's odd, but are you sure we should be introducing a new candidate at this time?

Today is playing out much the same as yesterday did down the deadline. There was no movement, I actually wondering if we wiffed yet again today. I'm not sure a new candidate is awful, the only other thought I had was maybe USFL was waiting it out to see if he had to place a vote somewhere he didn't want to. Either way I'm not sure a USFL lynch is a terrible way to go today.

Tyrith · 05-28-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Not that I care that you voted for him (i.e. - I am not sticking up for him), do you actually think a wolf would be that stupid? Seems like a bit of a wasted vote.

The question is, do we think a villager would be that stupid either? The answer has to be no in either circumstance.

Racer · 05-28-2009, 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Not that I care that you voted for him (i.e. - I am not sticking up for him), do you actually think a wolf would be that stupid? Seems like a bit of a wasted vote.

Has USFL ever been a wolf before? I remember the 1st time and to this point only time I was wolf and if I wasn't sure what to do/say when visiting the thread, I'd leave it without doing/saying anything. But that could just be me.

dubb93 · 05-28-2009, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Not that I care that you voted for him (i.e. - I am not sticking up for him), do you actually think a wolf would be that stupid? Seems like a bit of a wasted vote.

USFL is a newer player here. I'm not sure he's ever been wolf. I may be wrong about that though.

Barkeep49 · 05-28-2009, 09:44 PM

Lynch:
Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), Purdue (718)
Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704),
Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710), Schmidty (721)
USFL – dubb (738), Racer (742)

CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712)
dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

05-28-2009, 08:37 PM	#712
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I'm going to follow my gut from before. I might switch to a candidate with more votes later on if nothing develops here, but MartinD's decision to not use his belief votes is just odd. VOTE MARTIND LYNCH As for the belief votes, I would have liked to at least see another candidate tossed up, even if it's not me, but whatever works... VOTE BELIEVE DUBB SEER VOTE BELIEVE CHIEF RUM SEER __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-28-2009, 08:40 PM	#715
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	I should say, I didn't have a real solid idea before the Martin thing. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

05-28-2009, 08:57 PM	#721
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Unvote Racer Vote Danny Just seeing what will happen. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-28-2009, 09:27 PM	#734
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Ok, making chicken chili, but I'll be parked in the thread and check it every few before deadline. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-28-2009, 09:41 PM	#744
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Dola. Same goes for Racer. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

05-28-2009, 07:41 PM	#701
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	That's a good question, especially since he split the vote further...

05-28-2009, 07:43 PM	#702
lerriuqs High School Varsity Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Saskatchewan	For the record, I'm heading home now and I'm not sure if I'll be back before the deadline.

05-28-2009, 07:52 PM	#703
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch: Lerriuqs – Purdue (696) Schmidty – Racer (590) Martin – lerriuqs (597) Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682) Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669) Racer – Schmidty (681) CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579) dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680)

05-28-2009, 07:57 PM	#704
saldana Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Bethlehem, Pa	with nothing to direct me in any different direction from yesterday, i would have been ok voting for lerriuqs again, but i am not going to make a 3 way tie this close to the deadline gotta go on gut at this point vote tyrith

05-28-2009, 08:24 PM	#710
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	I don't really have a read on anyone yet, so I'm just going to keep things close. VOTE DANNY

05-28-2009, 08:40 PM	#714
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch: Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713) Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709) Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Purdue (708), Telle (710) Racer – Schmidty (681) CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712) dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

05-28-2009, 08:50 PM	#719
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch: Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), dubb (716), Purdue (718) Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709) Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710) Racer – Schmidty (681) CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712) dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

05-28-2009, 09:00 PM	#722
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Oooh, a three way tie. There's gotta be pretty good odds that one of them is a wolf. It'll be interesting watching vote maneuvering in this last hour.

05-28-2009, 09:34 PM	#739
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch: Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), Purdue (718) Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Racer (709) Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710), Schmidty (721) USFL – dubb (738) CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712) dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

05-28-2009, 09:41 PM	#745
Tyrith College Starter Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Houston, TX	Well...I have no idea what to do here. Honestly, I think the Martin thing (trying to dodge) or the USFL thing (UTR, not being helpful) are more substantive than the Danny thing - I suspect yesterday was villager on villager. I have to sit for now, but I will do what I have to do to not die. BTW, it really frustrates me that people can't understand placeholder as placeholder. I put it out there to avoid exactly what Martin/USFL did, in case I wouldn't get it back, and I'm getting heat for it. There's a nasty middle ground when we have no information - votes or not votes?

05-28-2009, 09:44 PM	#750
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Lynch: Martin – lerriuqs (597), Chief (713), Purdue (718) Tyrith – Danny (605), Martin (682), saldana (704), Danny – Tyrith (641), Lathum (669), Telle (710), Schmidty (721) USFL – dubb (738), Racer (742) CR as Seer –lerriuqs (571), Tyrith (576), saldana (579), CR (712) dubb as seer – Tyrith (578), Racer (581), dubb (582), lerriuqs (585), dubb (589), Danny (601), lathum (618), Telle (629), hoops (642), saldana (643), ntn (653), schmidty (680), CR (712)

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