Werewolf XLVII City of Wonder (Game Over!)

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Alan T

It probably would just get Render lynched instead. And right now I feel better about him than Swaggs or GE

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.

[Poli]

If not swaggs, then I'll go with GE next lynch. I'm down with that.

[path12]

Crap, dinner time. Back in awhile.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.

Now you're just talking stupid.

[LoneStarGirl]

12 people are on at deadline.... including 2 dead villagers... Nice game Barkeep

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Now you're just talking stupid.

We'll see, bandwagon leader.

[Poli]

I'll accept that apology later, swaggs.

[ntndeacon]

wonders who was the mystery person you tried to link to on day three with the not having psychic link Hoops?

[ntndeacon]

that last as for Swaggs of course

[Swaggs]

Hoopsguy and Ardent.

[Swaggs]

Last night, I tried for Alan and/or Lathum.

[Barkeep49]

Ambivalence is perhaps the word of the day until its end, when things get wild. In the end it is Swaggs who is brought down by the maelstrom of late votes. He is taken down, oh so easily.

However, that is when the true horror begins as Saldana, Golden Eagle, Lathum, and Alan T rise up as one and strike down the remaining villagers, before attacking the magical barriers which quarantined them. They had infiltrated the city and now it is time for them to reap their demonic reward.

Thanks to everyone who played. I have some definite opinions about how the game was played but want to hear what everyone thought because I'm always looking to improve my games. Thanks again to everyone for participating.

[Poli]

Heh, never knew that.

[ntndeacon]

dang it!
I saw Saldana's late vote as a possible bad thing
good game all!

[Swaggs]

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.

[Poli]

Gah.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think it is funny that the day I died I said we need to look at Saldana and Lathum... and what happens, i die. Nobody ever listens to me

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'm most surprised by your vote, Alan.

I had GE and ardent pegged, but you went along and I am pretty surprised.

ardent obviously was a villager, and GE has only been a wolf since last night when we tried to eat him

[Lathum]

thanks for the game barkeep.

Render, sorry I was on you so bad, it was my goal to keep you front and center then lynch you when we could

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.

Can you explain how?

[Lathum]

I though it seemed unbalenced but we did get very lucky with our items. I give barkeep credit for not altering the game even though we seemed to be running away with it

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Wow...

My first thought is that this one was way unbalanced.

i was a night 1 conversion, and ge was last night, so they only started with 3

[Barkeep49]

The original list of items were:
Charm of persuasion
Crystal ball
False wolfbane
Identity Switch A
Identity Switch B
Item blocker
Item destroyer A
Item destroyer B
Item detector
Item interceptor
Pardon A
Pardon B
Psychic link A
Psychic link B
Psychic link C
Silver knife
Wolf scanner A
Wolf scanner B
Wolf scanner C
Wolf scanner D
Wolfbane leaf A
Wolfbane leaf B
Wolfbane leaf C
Wolfbane necklace

[Alan T]

Thanks for the game, I really enjoyed it Barkeep.

I am curious about some of the items and how they were used.. ie: other than Path we never really saw much from the wolf scanners and I knew of at least 3 of them in the game (were there more?). The crystal ball we never heard from either. it was like losing the seer night 1. Also there seemed like a ton of wolfbane necklaces and leafs out there. I knew of at least 2 wolfbane leafs and 5 wolfbane necklaces out there.. how many were real necklaces vs fake necklaces...

Were we just really extremely lucky on our conversions, or was there that many out there? It seemed like there was a ton to undo us, but it never was used, or never got in our way after day 1.

[Poli]

Way too many flippin wolves.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by saldana

ardent obviously was a villager, and GE has only been a wolf since last night when we tried to eat him

Ardent was not?

Not that it matters, I had a good idea about GE and, a bit of suspicion towards Alan T, but I never would have considered that there would be four of you guys left.

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

The original list of items were:
Charm of persuasion
Crystal ball
False wolfbane
Identity Switch A
Identity Switch B
Item blocker
Item destroyer A
Item destroyer B
Item detector
Item interceptor
Pardon A
Pardon B
Psychic link A
Psychic link B
Psychic link C
Silver knife
Wolf scanner A
Wolf scanner B
Wolf scanner C
Wolf scanner D
Wolfbane leaf A
Wolfbane leaf B
Wolfbane leaf C
Wolfbane necklace

You list only 1 necklace and 1 false necklace, but I know both GE and Saldana had false necklaces, and I passed Ardent a necklace the night I got another one. So did more come into the game as we went?

I think we got really lucky that we ended up with alot of the scanners, the silver knife and a ton of the leafs

[Alan T]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Ardent was not?

Not that it matters, I had a good idea about GE and, a bit of suspicion towards Alan T, but I never would have considered that there would be four of you guys left.

We went to kill GE flat out last night, didnt want the crystal ball out there, had no idea we would convert him. We assumed after converting Sal that was it for the fake necklaces.

[hoopsguy]

Good game, wolves.

Night 2 - Pass and I both had wolf scanners. Did I tip my hand that I had the item earlier in the day? I tried to sound like I was coaching someone else on how to play, as opposed to sounding like I had that item.

I was very suspicious of Lathum by the end of that Day and would likely have gone after him, but NTN was the second person I suspected at that time.

When I was dead on Night 2, I wondered if people would ask about Alan continuing to be alive on Day 3 and certainly on Day 4. But that never seemed to come up - everyone knows he never lasts past Day 3!!!

I'm curious to hear why people kept passing items instead of using them. BK, do you have a night action recap that you can post?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Alan T

You list only 1 necklace and 1 false necklace, but I know both GE and Saldana had false necklaces, and I passed Ardent a necklace the night I got another one. So did more come into the game as we went?

I think we got really lucky that we ended up with alot of the scanners, the silver knife and a ton of the leafs

All items were static. No items were introduced after the start of the game, though some were removed as they were used.

GE got saldana's necklace after he was converted. You started off with the real one, passed it to AE who passed it back to you. The necklaces didn't leave the game when they were used.

[Swaggs]

Why the odd number of psychic links?

Doesn't that render (har har) one of them useless?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Why the odd number of psychic links?

Doesn't that render (har har) one of them useless?

It did. In retrospect I should have done an even number of those, though at the time I was trying to lessen its impact.

And I do not have a good nightly recap I can post, sorry.

[saldana]

like lathum said, we got lucky with the items too....we got one of the scanners when we killed hoops, so i used it on alan to get it out of the game...lathum got the silver knife when we killed pass, so no one ever got a chance to use it

[saldana]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Good game, wolves.

Night 2 - Pass and I both had wolf scanners. Did I tip my hand that I had the item earlier in the day? I tried to sound like I was coaching someone else on how to play, as opposed to sounding like I had that item.

I was very suspicious of Lathum by the end of that Day and would likely have gone after him, but NTN was the second person I suspected at that time.

When I was dead on Night 2, I wondered if people would ask about Alan continuing to be alive on Day 3 and certainly on Day 4. But that never seemed to come up - everyone knows he never lasts past Day 3!!!

I'm curious to hear why people kept passing items instead of using them. BK, do you have a night action recap that you can post?

you didnt tip anything Hoops, we just figured getting rid of you would be a good idea, and since ardent and path had established a little
COT, we figured anyone with a leaf or necklace would pass it to one of them, leaving you vulnerable

[Poli]

Way too many wolves for the size of this game.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Way too many wolves for the size of this game.

3 to start is to many?

[Poli]

Especially when you consider we killed cronin.

I can still smile about that.

[Poli]

5 out of 15 is way too many.

[Swaggs]

Good game. Having the items give all the powers was a cool/different idea.

In hindsight, I think the wolves kind of caught a break even when cronin got lynched, because AE and path still seemed a little shady to me after that whole exchange.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

5 out of 15 is way too many.

we didn't start with 5, we got very lucky with conversions

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

5 out of 15 is way too many.

Agreed.

Especially with two double kill nights available and then the knife out there, as well. With 15 players, I certainly didn't fathom that we'd be near endgame on the Day 4 lynch, after getting a wolf on Day 2.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

I think it is funny that the day I died I said we need to look at Saldana and Lathum... and what happens, i die. Nobody ever listens to me

lol, you posted that and I was like, Whoa!!

[ntndeacon]

I had thought about giving my leaf to hoops on the night he was killed instead of keeping it.I was a little upset when irealized iforgot to turn in that request. and that it cost us a life

[Poli]

Just the fact you could get very lucky with the conversions is disappointing. Might as well made it where we could all be converted.

[path12]

Alan was not on my radar at all. GE and Lathum were, not that it mattered.

Good game wolves.

Barkeep, I enjoyed the items and the game. I think it was more a matter of favor of the random number gods than unbalanced.

[path12]

I ended up with two Item Destroyers (1 start, 1 from LSG). But anyone who was going to give me something was not going to be something we likely would have wanted to destroy.

I was passing the pardons to Ardent and Render tonight.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by ardent enthusiast

Just the fact you could get very lucky with the conversions is disappointing. Might as well made it where we could all be converted.

You could all be converted, that was an item in the game. Frankly I think the wolves got lucky AND the villagers played poorly.

The crystal ball and item detector weren't ever really utilized. The single biggest goal of the villagers should have been finding the false wolfbane necklace but there was no real discussion of that.

The wolves were given a double kill to balance out the two pardons and the fact that when the game started there was a 1 in 3 chance that their first night attack would fail, because of the wolfbane leaves. It would have been higher had Alan not started with the real necklace, but if luck hadn't gone that way it would have been a 44% chance that their first attack would fail.

Frankly, I think the wolves figured out the items much quicker than the villagers. Perhaps that was due to their being able to safely brainstorm privately, but there was never any real public talk about how items should be used. Even doing after the fact discussing of items failed, which I was surprised about.

To me the wolf you caught, cronin, shows the peril for the wolves. AE had drawn the suspcion, but through skillful playing was able to get cronin nailed.

[Poli]

I'll admit I was snowed by Alan today. I was going to watch Lathum tonight with the ball.

At least I can say I tried my best. That's the best I can ask for in a game like this.

[Barkeep49]

I would love, of course, suggestions about specific tweaks as while I might not ever run this game again (though I could), it still helps me gain a better feel. I am hearing pretty loudly some frustration from the villagers and want to try and figure out how much was/is luck and how much was imbalance, so it doesn't happen again.

[Poli]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

You could all be converted, that was an item in the game.

Shurg. Not a fan.