NFL 2022-23 Season Thread - Page 15

rjolley · 10-10-2022, 07:57 PM

So, if those 2 were valid pass interference calls, why wasn't the one yesterday before the bad Brady roughing the passer call?

PilotMan · 10-10-2022, 08:36 PM

The NFL and their roughing the passer calls really, really ruin the game. It's a total joke. It's just bullshit.

bronconick · 10-10-2022, 08:46 PM

NFL officials saw all the stupid college football targeting calls and said "Hold my beer."

Ksyrup · 10-10-2022, 09:17 PM

Just awful. "Screw physics, do the impossible" appears to be the motto.

stevew · 10-10-2022, 10:21 PM

How do they miss “2 feet in” that bad on the Adams non catch? Raiders getting a supersized timeout for this 4th and 1

BishopMVP · 10-11-2022, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I feel the same way about Will Levis. I think his up-up side is maybe Andy Dalton. I know he's big and strong, etc., but he fumbles a ton and I'm just not sure I see it. But that's why I'm paid to just sit home and post at FOFC instead of advise teams.

I'm not even sure Levis is the most overrated SEC QB - I still think that's Anthony Richardson. In contrast Will Rogers doesn't have the arm strength you can dream on but idk, he's accurate, reads the field we'll, has a quick release & avoids mistakes... Idk why he's not getting a little more hype.

SirFozzie · 10-11-2022, 02:39 AM

Davante Adams will be lighter at least 100,000 I bet, if he doesn't get a game off for shoving what appeared to be a cameraman or something on their way into the lockerroom

bhlloy · 10-11-2022, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotMan

The NFL and their roughing the passer calls really, really ruin the game. It's a total joke. It's just bullshit.

Not that the NFL gives a shit about social media, but I’ve never seen this kind of anger across all the whole spectrum of the game like there is right now.

Ultimately they know that we will still watch either way and more people will watch a match up with big name QBs than anybody else though, this is a feature and not a bug. Integrity of the sport be damned

albionmoonlight · 10-11-2022, 06:50 AM

The inability to admit a mistake hurts credibility.

If Jerome Boger had said something like "We are sorry. That was a bad call. At the time, and from my angle, it looked like he threw him unnecessarily to the ground. Having seen the replay, we know that it not the case. It was a mistake, and we regret it," then there would at least be a sense that the league understood the issue.

albionmoonlight · 10-11-2022, 06:51 AM

dola: Along those lines, I know that the officials are reviewed by the league office after the games. I think that the league should make those reviews public. Sunshine is the best way to maintain credibility.

bhlloy · 10-11-2022, 06:55 AM

Again, I just think that credibility is way down the list of things they care about, and I don’t think they see these kinds of calls as problematic or needing apologies. Two marketable QBs playing each other in the playoffs and Super Bowl and the impact it has on the ads they can sell and the next round of TV negotiations is what matters.

tzach · 10-11-2022, 08:20 AM

this is a tough one -- with roughing the passer / unnecessary roughness being a judgement call and the referee being explicitly instructed to err on the side of player safety and throw a flag, there's nothing that can be done as is.

it reminds me of the reaction after the missed pass interference call against the saints in the NFC championship game some years ago. they may still make it reviewable this offseason to let NY have a look at the replay, but i'd suspect very few calls would be overturned.

Solecismic · 10-11-2022, 08:24 AM

Players are bigger and stronger than ever. Competent quarterbacks are harder to find. I think they're going to error on the side of caution here.

If it weren't for the quarterbacks who can run the ball well, they'd probably consider putting a red shirt on them.

tzach · 10-11-2022, 08:31 AM

on the qbs, pickett looked as good as could be expected in that situation -- fallng 20+ pts behind early on, on the road, tough environment, ultra-motivated, SB-caliber opponent that got themselves smashed by PIT last season. but he needs an NFL-caliber OC and play caller. Matt Canada's offense is subpar to say the least.

russell wilson may have lost some athleticism, but i'd expect him to be able to adapt his game as he ages. at least he has the talent to do that. but he also needs a real NFL OC and play caller -- nathaniel hackett is not really suited for that, and seems even more lost as a HC.

BishopMVP · 10-11-2022, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

The inability to admit a mistake hurts credibility.

If Jerome Boger had said something like "We are sorry. That was a bad call. At the time, and from my angle, it looked like he threw him unnecessarily to the ground. Having seen the replay, we know that it not the case. It was a mistake, and we regret it," then there would at least be a sense that the league understood the issue.

Does admitting mistakes like that open them up to lawsuits from gamblers etc? I would think not because the NBA has the last 2 minute report, but I've never followed up on some of the more insane lawsuits.

Btw David Tepper is the gift that keeps on giving. When asked about the lack of follow through given the plethora of coaches/GM's/President's & pulling out of the $800m practice facility leaving it abandoned he claimed Charlotte FC is revitalizing the city (had nothing to do with Covid restrictions ending) & he brought the concept of live music to Charlotte. What a clown https://defector.com/david-tepper-ca...-rhule-firing/

Danny · 10-11-2022, 06:25 PM

He made up for the call with the defensive holding on the field goal which hasn't been called in 7 years

flere-imsaho · 10-11-2022, 06:41 PM

Tie a flag around the QB's waist and change the rules so that a) the player (QB) with the flag can't advance past the line of scrimmage, b) you can't touch him except to grab the flag and c) he's down if you get the flag.

If you're dead-set on protecting the QBs, just go all the way and be done with it.

Ksyrup · 10-11-2022, 06:55 PM

Just have the "eye in the sky" immediately review all QB contact either to reverse flags that shouldn't have been or throw a flag that should have been. To me, it's not that difficult. And write some discretion into the rule so that common sense prevails - like, if there's a fumble, you can't expect a guy to brace himself for a fall so as not to land on the QB and not expect him to grab the loose ball. Or, just based on physics, some hits/falls are unavoidable. The rules are supposed to outlaw unnecessary contact, not hard contact.

Thomkal · 10-12-2022, 01:17 PM

So looks like I was wrong about the Cards releasing that choking kicker-they signed him to the active roster for another week. Surely just about any other kicker looking for work would be better than this guy I think?

miami_fan · 10-12-2022, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bhlloy

Again, I just think that credibility is way down the list of things they care about, and I don’t think they see these kinds of calls as problematic or needing apologies. Two marketable QBs playing each other in the playoffs and Super Bowl and the impact it has on the ads they can sell and the next round of TV negotiations is what matters.

For the NFL, a AFC championship game QB match up of Case Keenum of the Buffalo Bills versus Chad Henne or Shane Buechele of the Kansas City Chiefs lacks all sorts of credibility.

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

Players are bigger and stronger than ever. Competent quarterbacks are harder to find. I think they're going to error on the side of caution here.

If it weren't for the quarterbacks who can run the ball well, they'd probably consider putting a red shirt on them.

Putting them in the red shirt would be a plus IMO.

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Just have the "eye in the sky" immediately review all QB contact either to reverse flags that shouldn't have been or throw a flag that should have been. To me, it's not that difficult. And write some discretion into the rule so that common sense prevails - like, if there's a fumble, you can't expect a guy to brace himself for a fall so as not to land on the QB and not expect him to grab the loose ball. Or, just based on physics, some hits/falls are unavoidable. The rules are supposed to outlaw unnecessary contact, not hard contact.

I don't think that last part is true. I am pretty sure that penalties have been thrown for a defender cleanly hitting a QB too hard.

I think it is obvious that the NFL does not want its QB's to be hit especially its stars. However we can't forget that part of the sell is the bravery of the QB standing in the pocket while the crazed defenders are trying to tear them apart. The image is of the guy who keeps his eyes down the field and waits until the last second to throw the ball knowing that Aaron Donald is about to blast him from the blind side. I have no idea how they continue to balance those two sides.

JonInMiddleGA · 10-12-2022, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

However we can't forget that part of the sell is the bravery of the QB standing in the pocket while the crazed defenders are trying to tear them apart. ... I have no idea how they continue to balance those two sides.

I don't think that's part of the sell anymore, that they aren't interested in balancing them.

They're looking for NBA three-point culture, fuck defense and jump shots and foul shooting.

Chicks dig the long ball.

stevew · 10-12-2022, 11:47 PM

The Dolphins removed their ping pong table from the locker room area.

Watch out NFL, this is sewious!

stevew · 10-12-2022, 11:50 PM

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Coach Mike McDaniel said he was "pretty pumped" about the decision, not necessarily because he thought the table should be removed, but because it was an example of his captains taking ownership of the team -- something he said he challenges them to do as leaders.

"That, to me, is leadership. To me, leadership is acting, not talking," McDaniel said.

!!!!!

GrantDawg · 10-13-2022, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I don't think that's part of the sell anymore, that they aren't interested in balancing them.

They're looking for NBA three-point culture, fuck defense and jump shots and foul shooting.

Chicks dig the long ball.

I am far from a basketball expert, but I thought the large emphasis on three pointers came about because of analytics. Jump shots inside the three point lines miss almost as often as three pointers yet yield less points. Points in the paint are good because they have a much higher success rate.

cuervo72 · 10-13-2022, 07:38 AM

Funny; the Guardian has an article on the 3-pointer today: Loved, loathed and everywhere: how the three-pointer came to dominate the NBA | NBA | The Guardian

bronconick · 10-13-2022, 07:50 AM

Dan Snyder hired PI's to get dirt on NFL owners, league office, and Goodell.

miami_fan · 10-13-2022, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bronconick

Dan Snyder hired PI's to get dirt on NFL owners, league office, and Goodell.

I think I am pretty creative but I am struggling to think of what dirt he could get that would upset the status quo. Maybe human trafficking?

bhlloy · 10-13-2022, 09:28 AM

If they can find the spot in the desert where he buried all those missing hookers, it would probably be pretty bad for Jerry Jones.

cuervo72 · 10-13-2022, 09:41 AM

Wonder if any of them are still into racketeering.

Solecismic · 10-13-2022, 02:33 PM

The strangest allegation is that he apparently engineered the Carson Wentz trade.

Wentz is the prototypical game manager. Apparently a bad fit with Ron Rivera, since Wentz been pretty bad so far this season and Rivera was just in the news for trashing him.

What happens next? Snyder apparently knows where all the NFL bodies are buried, and not all of them are in Florida nail salons, so the owners aren't going to force him to sell. Yet if it's true he forced Wentz on the team, that's a fairly serious violation of his suspension.

Coffee Warlord · 10-13-2022, 07:17 PM

How do we make our awful alternate orange jerseys even worse? I know, let's add orange helmets!

Ksyrup · 10-13-2022, 07:22 PM

This game has lived up to its billing in the first few minutes.

thesloppy · 10-13-2022, 07:22 PM

Those Bears outfits are horrible! Almost surprised Al showed up this week.

Again, I notice that the Amazon sound mix makes the crowd sound absolutely dead.

Coffee Warlord · 10-13-2022, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thesloppy

Again, I notice that the Amazon sound mix makes the crowd sound absolutely dead.

Dude, it's in Chicago. Bears fans have been dead inside for a long long time.

cuervo72 · 10-13-2022, 07:40 PM

I guess that's why the Bears run in the red zone so much.

Ksyrup · 10-13-2022, 07:52 PM

Perfect play wide open in the EZ and a 5 yard overthrow.

Lathum · 10-13-2022, 07:53 PM

Good lord Fields is terrible

cuervo72 · 10-13-2022, 07:54 PM

Ok, maybe running doesn't work either.

thesloppy · 10-13-2022, 08:02 PM

O boy that Colts Broncos game is starting to look pretty good.

Coffee Warlord · 10-13-2022, 08:08 PM

Nothing like overthrowing a bomb on 3rd and 3 when you've got a guy wide open right at the sticks.

Edward64 · 10-13-2022, 08:22 PM

A little boring ...

Coffee Warlord · 10-13-2022, 08:25 PM

Refs with two questionable PI calls ... I think they just want to move the ball so somebody can get points on the board.

bronconick · 10-13-2022, 08:27 PM

If the last two weeks of TNF was an animal, someone would shoot it to put it out of its misery

Ksyrup · 10-13-2022, 08:27 PM

All we're missing is a missed/blocked FG...

Ksyrup · 10-13-2022, 08:28 PM

Dammit!

Coffee Warlord · 10-13-2022, 08:53 PM

For those of you who have the pleasure of not regularly watching the Bears, and thinking this is one of the worst games you've seen all year, let me remind you - this is basically every Bears game for the last 20 years.

thesloppy · 10-13-2022, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

All we're missing is a missed/blocked FG...

Enjoy!

Solecismic · 10-13-2022, 10:18 PM

Not ideal, coming up with 0 points in three possessions inside the opponent's five-yard line. Not to mention the muffed punt.

I think they need a ping-pong table.

thesloppy · 10-13-2022, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Solecismic

I think they need a ping-pong table.

I snort laughed.

Edward64 · 10-13-2022, 10:31 PM

I'm not a fan and don't keep up. So what is the root-cause problem, coaching?

10-10-2022, 08:36 PM	#702
PilotMan Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Seven miles up	The NFL and their roughing the passer calls really, really ruin the game. It's a total joke. It's just bullshit. __________________ He's just like if Snow White was competitive, horny, and capable of beating the shit out of anyone that called her Pops. Like Steam? Join the FOFC Steam group here: http://steamcommunity.com/groups/FOFConSteam Last edited by PilotMan : 10-10-2022 at 08:36 PM.

10-10-2022, 09:17 PM	#704
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Just awful. "Screw physics, do the impossible" appears to be the motto. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-10-2022, 10:21 PM	#705
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	How do they miss “2 feet in” that bad on the Adams non catch? Raiders getting a supersized timeout for this 4th and 1 Last edited by stevew : 10-10-2022 at 10:21 PM.

10-11-2022, 02:39 AM	#707
SirFozzie Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: The State of Insanity	Davante Adams will be lighter at least 100,000 I bet, if he doesn't get a game off for shoving what appeared to be a cameraman or something on their way into the lockerroom __________________ Check out Foz's New Video Game Site, An 8-bit Mind in an 8GB world! http://an8bitmind.com

10-11-2022, 08:31 AM	#714
tzach High School JV Join Date: Mar 2015	on the qbs, pickett looked as good as could be expected in that situation -- fallng 20+ pts behind early on, on the road, tough environment, ultra-motivated, SB-caliber opponent that got themselves smashed by PIT last season. but he needs an NFL-caliber OC and play caller. Matt Canada's offense is subpar to say the least. russell wilson may have lost some athleticism, but i'd expect him to be able to adapt his game as he ages. at least he has the talent to do that. but he also needs a real NFL OC and play caller -- nathaniel hackett is not really suited for that, and seems even more lost as a HC. Last edited by tzach : 10-11-2022 at 08:31 AM.

10-10-2022, 07:57 PM	#701
rjolley College Starter Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Roseville, CA	So, if those 2 were valid pass interference calls, why wasn't the one yesterday before the bad Brady roughing the passer call?

10-10-2022, 08:46 PM	#703
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	NFL officials saw all the stupid college football targeting calls and said "Hold my beer."

10-11-2022, 06:50 AM	#709
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	The inability to admit a mistake hurts credibility. If Jerome Boger had said something like "We are sorry. That was a bad call. At the time, and from my angle, it looked like he threw him unnecessarily to the ground. Having seen the replay, we know that it not the case. It was a mistake, and we regret it," then there would at least be a sense that the league understood the issue.

10-11-2022, 06:51 AM	#710
albionmoonlight Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: North Carolina	dola: Along those lines, I know that the officials are reviewed by the league office after the games. I think that the league should make those reviews public. Sunshine is the best way to maintain credibility.

10-11-2022, 06:55 AM	#711
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	Again, I just think that credibility is way down the list of things they care about, and I don’t think they see these kinds of calls as problematic or needing apologies. Two marketable QBs playing each other in the playoffs and Super Bowl and the impact it has on the ads they can sell and the next round of TV negotiations is what matters.

10-11-2022, 08:20 AM	#712
tzach High School JV Join Date: Mar 2015	this is a tough one -- with roughing the passer / unnecessary roughness being a judgement call and the referee being explicitly instructed to err on the side of player safety and throw a flag, there's nothing that can be done as is. it reminds me of the reaction after the missed pass interference call against the saints in the NFC championship game some years ago. they may still make it reviewable this offseason to let NY have a look at the replay, but i'd suspect very few calls would be overturned.

10-11-2022, 08:24 AM	#713
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	Players are bigger and stronger than ever. Competent quarterbacks are harder to find. I think they're going to error on the side of caution here. If it weren't for the quarterbacks who can run the ball well, they'd probably consider putting a red shirt on them.

10-11-2022, 06:25 PM	#716
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	He made up for the call with the defensive holding on the field goal which hasn't been called in 7 years

10-11-2022, 06:41 PM	#717
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Tie a flag around the QB's waist and change the rules so that a) the player (QB) with the flag can't advance past the line of scrimmage, b) you can't touch him except to grab the flag and c) he's down if you get the flag. If you're dead-set on protecting the QBs, just go all the way and be done with it.

10-11-2022, 06:55 PM	#718
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Just have the "eye in the sky" immediately review all QB contact either to reverse flags that shouldn't have been or throw a flag that should have been. To me, it's not that difficult. And write some discretion into the rule so that common sense prevails - like, if there's a fumble, you can't expect a guy to brace himself for a fall so as not to land on the QB and not expect him to grab the loose ball. Or, just based on physics, some hits/falls are unavoidable. The rules are supposed to outlaw unnecessary contact, not hard contact. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-11-2022 at 06:56 PM.

10-12-2022, 01:17 PM	#719
Thomkal Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Surfside Beach,SC USA	So looks like I was wrong about the Cards releasing that choking kicker-they signed him to the active roster for another week. Surely just about any other kicker looking for work would be better than this guy I think? __________________ Coastal Carolina Baseball-2016 National Champion! 10/17/20-Coastal Football ranked in Top 25 for first time!

10-12-2022, 11:47 PM	#722
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	The Dolphins removed their ping pong table from the locker room area. Watch out NFL, this is sewious!

10-13-2022, 07:38 AM	#725
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Funny; the Guardian has an article on the 3-pointer today: Loved, loathed and everywhere: how the three-pointer came to dominate the NBA \| NBA \| The Guardian __________________ null

10-13-2022, 07:50 AM	#726
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	Dan Snyder hired PI's to get dirt on NFL owners, league office, and Goodell.

10-13-2022, 09:28 AM	#728
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	If they can find the spot in the desert where he buried all those missing hookers, it would probably be pretty bad for Jerry Jones.

10-13-2022, 09:41 AM	#729
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Wonder if any of them are still into racketeering. __________________ null

10-13-2022, 02:33 PM	#730
Solecismic Solecismic Software Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Canton, OH	The strangest allegation is that he apparently engineered the Carson Wentz trade. Wentz is the prototypical game manager. Apparently a bad fit with Ron Rivera, since Wentz been pretty bad so far this season and Rivera was just in the news for trashing him. What happens next? Snyder apparently knows where all the NFL bodies are buried, and not all of them are in Florida nail salons, so the owners aren't going to force him to sell. Yet if it's true he forced Wentz on the team, that's a fairly serious violation of his suspension.

10-13-2022, 07:17 PM	#731
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	How do we make our awful alternate orange jerseys even worse? I know, let's add orange helmets!

10-13-2022, 07:22 PM	#732
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	This game has lived up to its billing in the first few minutes. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete." Last edited by Ksyrup : 10-13-2022 at 07:22 PM.

10-13-2022, 07:22 PM	#733
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	Those Bears outfits are horrible! Almost surprised Al showed up this week. Again, I notice that the Amazon sound mix makes the crowd sound absolutely dead. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

10-13-2022, 07:40 PM	#735
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	I guess that's why the Bears run in the red zone so much. __________________ null

10-13-2022, 07:52 PM	#736
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Perfect play wide open in the EZ and a 5 yard overthrow. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

10-13-2022, 07:53 PM	#737
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Good lord Fields is terrible

10-13-2022, 07:54 PM	#738
cuervo72 Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Maryland	Ok, maybe running doesn't work either. __________________ null

10-13-2022, 08:02 PM	#739
thesloppy Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: PDX	O boy that Colts Broncos game is starting to look pretty good. __________________ Last edited by thesloppy : Today at 05:35 PM.

10-13-2022, 08:08 PM	#740
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Nothing like overthrowing a bomb on 3rd and 3 when you've got a guy wide open right at the sticks.

10-13-2022, 08:22 PM	#741
Edward64 Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2005	A little boring ...

10-13-2022, 08:25 PM	#742
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	Refs with two questionable PI calls ... I think they just want to move the ball so somebody can get points on the board.

10-13-2022, 08:27 PM	#743
bronconick College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Kalamazoo, MI	If the last two weeks of TNF was an animal, someone would shoot it to put it out of its misery

10-13-2022, 08:27 PM	#744
Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	All we're missing is a missed/blocked FG... __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."