Werewolf LXI - Ocean's Eleven (GAME OVER, SEE PAGE 19 FOR RESULT.)

[SnDvls]

PB - I don't know if my "no lynch" is even an option I just threw it out there...if you need me to vote for someone I can so it doesn't mess up your game dynamics

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

good logic, what if they are both seers and neither is arogatn? (there was one converted to a nromal seer.

vot sundevil

If they're both real seers now through conversion al the more reason NOT to vote them out.

I do find ntn's comments intriguing however. That would be a very good move by the Brutal wolf, knowing that he could well be lynched he might as well take someone with him.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

PB - I don't know if my "no lynch" is even an option I just threw it out there...if you need me to vote for someone I can so it doesn't mess up your game dynamics

No lynch is an available option (honestly because that is one dynamic I did not account for) so you may leave your vote there as you wish.

[Lathum]

Unvote Path
vote Sndvls

I think path may be pulling this play as the brutal wolf.

If he is then he kills me at the lynch and they have a free shot at NTN tonight.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

unless you kill him tonight

I think it would be assumed by the wolves that either ntn or myself will be guarded tonight, more likely ntn. I don't have the ability to kill anyone.

[path12]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

bringing the # of possible wolves down to 4. In this scenario the wolves are all in that group of uncleared. after today there would be 8, the next day 6, the next day 4. You need one of those voted for to be a villager. Also I have a sneaking suspicion Iknow which wolf you are. There is only one wolf that really benifits from pulling that ploy besides just causing the havok you have caused....
The Brutal Wolf.
Granted I do not know that is in play, but iwould not at all be surprised if it is. Ithink it is pretty much suspected nowadays.

OK, that would be an argument I can understand. It's wrong, but I can see the logic behind it, though if that's the case the wolves are done for anyway.

But even so, wouldn't the better percentage play be to have you scan me tonight rather than risk me being the brutal wolf?

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I do find ntn's comments intriguing however. That would be a very good move by the Brutal wolf, knowing that he could well be lynched he might as well take someone with him.

I'd expect the brutal wolf to not argue too much against being lynched in that position though.

[PurdueBrad]

Current vote tally (as of 707)-

Path12 (4)- Barkeep49 (659), ntndeacon (662), Telle (666), jeheinz72 (675)
SnDvls (3)- RendeR (627), Claphamsa (698), Lathum (704)
ntnDeacon (1)- Path12 (636)
no lynch (1)- SnDvls (631)

Still to vote: Anxiety

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by path12

OK, that would be an argument I can understand. It's wrong, but I can see the logic behind it, though if that's the case the wolves are done for anyway.

But even so, wouldn't the better percentage play be to have you scan me tonight rather than risk me being the brutal wolf?

I don't think so. It scares me that you are the brutal wolf, I am convinced you are a wolf however. The earlier SnDvls vote was more a guess based on the 4 remaining that Ihad a good chance of being right. Besides I am following the Render Rules. Dont trust a known wolf.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by path12

I'd expect the brutal wolf to not argue too much against being lynched in that position though.

No I'd expect just enough arguing so it doesn't look like you're letting yourself be lynched.


But the smater play is to scan you after we lynch SnDvls.

[ntndeacon]

I will say that I am VERY anti tie today. (I wasn't as adamant prior to this.)

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by RendeR

No I'd expect just enough arguing so it doesn't look like you're letting yourself be lynched.


But the smater play is to scan you after we lynch SnDvls.

I disagree. Because I am not planning to scan path. I have already shown him to be the wolf he is. So I feel that is a wasted scan. I will be scanning one of the other uncleared regardless of who is lynched. My conditional orders are in.

[Abe Sargent]

Morning all. Another late night at Guild Wars led to another late rising. Let me get caught up real quick

[Barkeep49]

PB: I have a question about items. Will you accept conditional orders? If so, how conditional? So could I, for instance say "Use item X if Path is lynched and brutal wolfs Lathum?"

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I think its more the fact that the chance of having an EVIL duke without a GOOD one is pretty much non existant. it would give the wolves an unfair advantage. So there lies the real rub in this. These two are clinging to this theory that the only duke in this game is the bad one, which just doesn't make ANY sense.

If there is an evil there MUST be a good one, though if there is a good there doesn't HAVE to be a bad one, the EVIL duke is the rare item in this whole scenario, but instead of realizing that they assume the most improbably case is actually true.

It gets tiring watching Lathum knaw on random theories with no basis beyond his gut feeling and worse seeing BK line up like a prize sheep and follow along. its been shown that BK's stubbornness gets villagers killed in the past, why should his judgement be trusted in ANY form in this situation?

I've given just as equally valid and plausible reasons for what I did, but who does everyone trust? Lathum. Why? he knows nothing more than I do at this point. Why are we blindly trusting his argument?

THINK people. for christs sake already.

Remember we don't know what roles are out there. Double seer for the village means an evil dukle with no good duke is a pretty good chance of existing.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

as a Seer, he would have seen Rum as a villager.

nice. Talk about your bad role reveals.

Vote path

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by path12

And I can't explain that one. I think Brad forgot what he had in the role description, but of course we'll have to wait until after you lynch me to realize that.

I would argue though that that doesn't make me the best option to lynch today. It does make me the best option for ntn to scan tonight.

Disagree. If PB had screwed up, he would have made a post here, like he did with Lathum's pm description in public. Without failing to hear from him sayingm he screwed up, I don;t buy it for a second.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

PB: I have a question about items. Will you accept conditional orders? If so, how conditional? So could I, for instance say "Use item X if Path is lynched and brutal wolfs Lathum?"

I will accept the up to the point of:

If so-and-so is lynched, then I will _______

so not really to that next prediction step of:

If so and so is lynched AND such and such happens, then I will ______

So for your example no, however you could certainly say, "if player A is lynched then I would like to use X."

[Abe Sargent]

I'd prefer we vote for the one who is lying and we caught, than anything else. A bird in the hand and all that.

[PurdueBrad]

Current vote tally (as of 719)-

Path12 (5)- Barkeep49 (659), ntndeacon (662), Telle (666), jeheinz72 (675), Anxiety (716)
SnDvls (3)- RendeR (627), Claphamsa (698), Lathum (704)
ntnDeacon (1)- Path12 (636)
no lynch (1)- SnDvls (631)

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I disagree. Because I am not planning to scan path. I have already shown him to be the wolf he is. So I feel that is a wasted scan. I will be scanning one of the other uncleared regardless of who is lynched. My conditional orders are in.

Hrm, am i right in assuming scans are not revealing specific roles, just generic villager/wolf?

Then I suppose it doesn't matter. I'd still recommend lynching someone other than path since as you say, he's already nailed, lets find another one and leave path to languish until the others are dead. If he turns out to be the Brutal Wolf, we safe a dead villager until last.

[RendeR]

I was thinking a scan would tel us which wolf he was, but I don't believe it will upon rethinking it.

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Hrm, am i right in assuming scans are not revealing specific roles, just generic villager/wolf?

Then I suppose it doesn't matter. I'd still recommend lynching someone other than path since as you say, he's already nailed, lets find another one and leave path to languish until the others are dead. If he turns out to be the Brutal Wolf, we safe a dead villager until last.

I get just villager/wolf. not any other roles

[jeheinz72]

I think right now I'm believing NTN and not so much path.

My vote is stickin' where it is I'm thinkin'

[path12]

Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I have already shown him to be the wolf he is.

No you haven't. You've made an assumption and a big leap, based on an incident I had no control over and is likely a mistake by the GM. The only thing you can show me as is a seer.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Disagree. If PB had screwed up, he would have made a post here, like he did with Lathum's pm description in public. Without failing to hear from him sayingm he screwed up, I don;t buy it for a second.

Well, think what you want then and lynch a seer. For the record, I PM'd Brad to ask him what happened and if he could clarify in thread. His reply was that although a mistake was made it is now part of the game situation and as such he did not feel it proper to intervene.

I disagree with that, for the record, but it is his game and he is free to run it as he wishes. It is a decision, however, that will get us through four days without nailing a wolf as it stands now, and I imagine the bad guys are very happy about that.

[path12]

Not that it matters, but:

UNVOTE NTNDEACON
VOTE SNDVLS

Self preservation and all.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Randomness-

There is a random element to certain actions, reveals, and game mechanics. This will be done via dice roll.

I wonder what random event will happen with the seer(s) reveals now?

[PurdueBrad]

Current vote tally (as of 729)-

Path12 (5)- Barkeep49 (659), ntndeacon (662), Telle (666), jeheinz72 (675), Anxiety (716)
SnDvls (4)- RendeR (627), Claphamsa (698), Lathum (704), Path12 (727)
no lynch (1)- SnDvls (631)

[Telle]

What a slow boring night.

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Telle

What a slow boring night.

Tell me about it. I get called into work and I'm sitting here bored.

[Lathum]

Since you guys are bored I'll ask this.

Are you at all worried Path is the brutal wolf?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Since you guys are bored I'll ask this.

Are you at all worried Path is the brutal wolf?

Yes. But a dead wolf is a better wolf.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Yes. But a dead wolf is a better wolf.

understod, but he could screw things up for us for tonight

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

understod, but he could screw things up for us for tonight

If path is a wolf, I think it's unlikely we lose this game with the number of players we'd have in the COT.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - I understand you don't like that answer since you feel like it could be you that dies. I understand that. But we'd be look at 6-2 or or 7-1 after the lynch and many of those 6 or 7 would be in the COT.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

DOLA - I understand you don't like that answer since you feel like it could be you that dies. I understand that. But we'd be look at 6-2 or or 7-1 after the lynch and many of those 6 or 7 would be in the COT.

just curious, who do you rhink is in the COT?

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

just curious, who do you rhink is in the COT?

Well I go off of ntn so I have:
Me, Telle from that
From role reveals I have you, Lathum, ntn
Render would be just outside the circle.

[Barkeep49]

Here's hoping that things get real exciting during the last hour.

[claphamsa]

woooo
woooooo
woooo


exciting enough for you?

[Barkeep49]

No, but I do appreciate the effort.

[Lathum]

I do have some information but I am waiting until the deadline to reveal it so the wolves can't alter their gameplan

[Barkeep49]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I do have some information but I am waiting until the deadline to reveal it so the wolves can't alter their gameplan

Sweet!

[Barkeep49]

Let's speculate what that information might be:

He knows someone is a confirmed villager
He has an item
He passed someone an item
With Molly out of town he and saldana have been carrying on their torrid ways

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Let's speculate what that information might be:

He knows someone is a confirmed villager
He has an item
He passed someone an item
With Molly out of town he and saldana have been carrying on their torrid ways

My guess is that he saw Santy Claws

[RendeR]

well somebody Do or say SOMETHING, gah.

[SnDvls]

so the wave moved quickly tonight

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by RendeR

well somebody Do or say SOMETHING, gah.

preforms a little tap dance for RendeR

[SnDvls]

is that good enough for you?

[Alan T]

I'm about to do a reveal if someone doesn't liven things up!