Werewolf XCVII - Labyrinth II (GAME OVER - COMMONERS WIN!)

[The Jackal]

Can you feel it now? Never go into battle with a wolf (or sicilian) when DEATH is on the line! Muahaha!

[DaddyTorgo]

I look at it this way - if Loki chose evil then presumably he'd be given PM rights with the wolves right? in that case why would they fake-reveal as him and thus lead to two of their own getting offed? would make more sense to fake reveal as a telepath or some other role.

[Thomkal]

well in case I'm dead here in a couple minutes, here's some final thoughts:

I scanned Chief Rum. I think its going to come back good and if so I think I know his role, but better to know for sure about him then go with a hunch I have about him. Look to his vote yesterday if I'm night-killed before I can reveal my view.

Martin's scan of nfg should give us a second wolf one way or another, and that should be the wolf we go for first. The third wolf should come down to Abe or Render-I'm leaning towards Abe right now, but wouldn't be surprised if its Render.

If we are somehow being fooled-I would look towards someone like ntn, barkeep, and pass who made a claim that haven't been verified. But with all the roles out there pretty much, I don't see how any of them could be doing a fake reveal at this point.

[DaddyTorgo]

well if those votes are valid

VOTE JAG

[The Jackal]

The Jester appears in front of you, sitting behind a desk, apparently immersed in some light reading.

Suddenly a horn begins sounding behind him - "We have a winner, we have a winner!"

The Jester looks up and yells, "What's his prize?!"

"Oh, right, I know!"

The Jester pops in front of MartinD and quickly snaps his neck.

"Predict that."

The Jester cackles madly and disappears.

MartinD was Nostradamus!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

well in case I'm dead here in a couple minutes, here's some final thoughts:

I scanned Chief Rum. I think its going to come back good and if so I think I know his role, but better to know for sure about him then go with a hunch I have about him. Look to his vote yesterday if I'm night-killed before I can reveal my view.

Martin's scan of nfg should give us a second wolf one way or another, and that should be the wolf we go for first. The third wolf should come down to Abe or Render-I'm leaning towards Abe right now, but wouldn't be surprised if its Render.

If we are somehow being fooled-I would look towards someone like ntn, barkeep, and pass who made a claim that haven't been verified. But with all the roles out there pretty much, I don't see how any of them could be doing a fake reveal at this point.

are you advocating going after nfg/tyrith ahead of jag then? or are you saying all this is after jag?

[The Jackal]

(to be clear, that was a NK)

[DaddyTorgo]

thanks Martin for all your help in this one!

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I thought I saw you in the thread Tyrith, so I'll ask now: when do you get to make that choice?

Whenever I run into someone in the maze, it'll be up to me as to what I do for them, or to them. It'd really be quite clever in a game where one side isn't so clearly pinned. Sadness.

[The Jackal]

Movements will begin to trickle out now.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

are you advocating going after nfg/tyrith ahead of jag then? or are you saying all this is after jag?

well before the night results that's what I was thinking, cause I'm sure JAG is the brutal wolf and would likely take me with him. I thought we would know which of nfg/tyrith would be a wolf, but I still think we should go for one of them since Loki is of dubious alignment and could swing either way.

[Thomkal]

Predict that, heh Jsster that was pretty funny. Sorry to see you go Martin-good job!

[Tyrith]

Putting my money where my mouth is.

VOTE NFG

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Whenever I run into someone in the maze, it'll be up to me as to what I do for them, or to them. It'd really be quite clever in a game where one side isn't so clearly pinned. Sadness.

That's interesting. So have you run into anyone yet? And once you do, does your first action toward them determine your side?

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Putting my money where my mouth is.

VOTE NFG

Uh, you're not interested in voting JAG?

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Uh, you're not interested in voting JAG?

And pile in on what is sure to be an overwhelming massacre? You saw what that did in the last game - we might as well at least have the discussion as to where we go today, although ultimately we will wind up killing JAG.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

And pile in on what is sure to be an overwhelming massacre? You saw what that did in the last game - we might as well at least have the discussion as to where we go today, although ultimately we will wind up killing JAG.

I guess that's valid. And thinking about it more, if we're onto JAG as the brutal, maybe we should look at the two of you.


VOTE TYRITH


Not set in stone -- I'm still trying to figure out who I believe in this scenario, but I want to get you in there as a valid option.

[Thomkal]

so did you step into the pillar Pass?

[Danny]

Thomkal, what was the result of your scan?

[Thomkal]

I'm still awaiting the results of it.

[Danny]

Who did you scan?

[Abe Sargent]

Oka, I'n ot going to be around much today and tomorrow.


Vote JAG

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

so did you step into the pillar Pass?

I decided not to. I need to guard the center, so I didn't want to do anything that might take me too far away from it.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I guess that's valid. And thinking about it more, if we're onto JAG as the brutal, maybe we should look at the two of you.


VOTE TYRITH


Not set in stone -- I'm still trying to figure out who I believe in this scenario, but I want to get you in there as a valid option.

That's fair.

[Tyrith]

BTW, we do still need to keep in mind that Pass's ultimate goal is to kill all of us - it's in his best interests to prolong the wolf/villager conflict as long as possible, within reason. Not saying he's actively doing anything against us right now, but we do need to keep in mind that he's not fully on our side. That said, I understand and have no problem with his vote.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Danny

Who did you scan?

look up, I already told ya. Chief Rum

[DaddyTorgo]

we do this every other damn game it seems, and it bites us in the ass somehow.

if we're 100% that JAG is a wolf we need to lynch his ass now. no "oh we'll save him for later" or any of that stuff.

when you find a wolf, you lynch the wolf. unless you're potentially at endgame and lynching the brutal first will lose you the game.

LYNCH THE WOLF

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

BTW, we do still need to keep in mind that Pass's ultimate goal is to kill all of us - it's in his best interests to prolong the wolf/villager conflict as long as possible, within reason. Not saying he's actively doing anything against us right now, but we do need to keep in mind that he's not fully on our side. That said, I understand and have no problem with his vote.

I think you're forgetting, though, that I need the wolves to lose in order to win. In order to kill everyone, I can't let the wolves get a 1:1 ratio, since that would mean they would win before I could. What I need to do is for all the wolves to die, then hope I can find all the villagers before they reach the center.

[DaddyTorgo]

i'm sick of us trying to be too "cute" as villagers and outthink the wolves. we found one...we lynch one. that's it. not "oh we'll save him for later walled up in a little pen."

LYNCH HIM

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I think you're forgetting, though, that I need the wolves to lose in order to win. In order to kill everyone, I can't let the wolves get a 1:1 ratio, since that would mean they would win before I could. What I need to do is for all the wolves to die, then hope I can find all the villagers before they reach the center.

Do you really think the wolves winning this game is incredibly likely when there are 3 left in a group of something like 5 or 6 people (including myself)?

[Tyrith]

DT, I don't think you really have to worry about that - this seems like it's giong to be another runaway. Runaways without discussion, though, have been a recent downfall, so we might as well keep our options open if it stimulates discussion.

[DaddyTorgo]

you're prolly right tyrith

[hoopsguy]

DT, I'm with you unless we are choosing between two wolves. So I'll hold off on voting until learning about Thomkal's scan.

By the way, I was not able to talk last night on account of injuring myself avoiding the fire pillar in my room. I'm still very much alive and ready to jump back into the discussion. I just don't know how much there is to say today unless Chief Rum is viewed as a wolf.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

we do this every other damn game it seems, and it bites us in the ass somehow.

if we're 100% that JAG is a wolf we need to lynch his ass now. no "oh we'll save him for later" or any of that stuff.

when you find a wolf, you lynch the wolf. unless you're potentially at endgame and lynching the brutal first will lose you the game.

LYNCH THE WOLF

I don't think we can be too careful. While it may seem like we have this game in hand, we also have a 50/50 shot of getting a wolf or at least someone neutral who still might be evil. And who knows what the brutal can do? I'm not afraid for myself, since I'd imagine that the wolves want to kill villagers rather than me. I mean, what if something screwy happens, like killing one telepath kills the rest (or if that can happen only as a result of the brutal)?

Also, I've got a lot of time on my hands while queries are running, so I need something to talk about!

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

Do you really think the wolves winning this game is incredibly likely when there are 3 left in a group of something like 5 or 6 people (including myself)?

Well like I said to DT, you can't be too careful. I need to get rid of the wolves, so that's what I'm going to do.

[Thomkal]

Okay I have the scan results:

Chief Rum is GOOD!

[Thomkal]

depending on anything Chief Rum wants to tells us, I guess we do need to go after JAG. I keep forgetting that the wolves can win by getting to the center too, so best eliminate one of them even if it means he's the brutal.

[The Jackal]

All moves should be out.

[Thomkal]

and with that, I'm off to lunch

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Okay I have the scan results:

Chief Rum is GOOD!

Woohoo! I was really worried.

[nfg22]

Well....sad to see martin go. Im sticking with my JAG vote. Im with DT. Lynch a wolf if you have a wolf. We can always lynch either me or Tyrinth later...

[Danny]

Vote JAG

With Chief Rum cleared, this means the final wolves are one of NTN/Tyrith and one of Render/Abe. Chief Rum if you are the bodyguard and know Render was lying yesterday it might not be a bad idea to reveal that. If the BG doesn't come out we have to assume Abe is the final wolf.

[Danny]

BTW, based on how I see this, I would probably vote for nfg over Tyrith if I had to choose one

[nfg22]

Its NFG. Not NTN...just want to clear the deacon

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote JAG

With Chief Rum cleared, this means the final wolves are one of NTN/Tyrith and one of Render/Abe. Chief Rum if you are the bodyguard and know Render was lying yesterday it might not be a bad idea to reveal that. If the BG doesn't come out we have to assume Abe is the final wolf.

I am not prepared to reveal at this time.

[nfg22]

Originally Posted by Danny

BTW, based on how I see this, I would probably vote for nfg over Tyrith if I had to choose one

Why me?

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Vote JAG

With Chief Rum cleared, this means the final wolves are one of NTN/Tyrith and one of Render/Abe. Chief Rum if you are the bodyguard and know Render was lying yesterday it might not be a bad idea to reveal that. If the BG doesn't come out we have to assume Abe is the final wolf.

are we sure that that's an and? i mean are we sure that JAG+(nfg/tyrith) aren't the last 2 wolves? we didn't get conflicting reveals from abe/chief

[Danny]

I fully believe all roles listed on page one are present in the game.

[Danny]

which means four wolves.

[hoopsguy]

On account of the fact that he is a wolf (for those who want to track vote posts/reasons):

VOTE JAG