Werewolf XLIII - The Big City (Game over)

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Yes, lets point out the detective to the mafia while he can still might live..we hoped you would take your votes off and he would be safe...im not just pointing the finger at you, but your blowing smoke right now

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

[ImTheCrew]

Originally Posted by path12

Dola, I don't think I've ever heard of OOPTC....

it may be spelled wrong but im thinking something like off topic or on another topic

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by path12

You're not the only one. I switched my vote, DaddyTorgo switched his vote. That was it. Then I asked hoo about who had investigated him since I had been sure he would have said something if it had been made clear to him that ntn had been his investigator.

But that's why you and the other ntn voters, especially the late ones are now at the top of my list. There are bad guys in that list, I have no doubt.

A bad guy, probably. Multiple depends on how many bad guys there are, I'm sure they would be hesitant to be those kind of linkages early on. I dunno, I'll certainly admit it is at least something.

[SnDvls]

Originally Posted by ImTheCrew

completey off topic but what does the DOLA and OOPTC??? Stand for?

do you mean OOTP?

it is a game Out of the Park...a baseball text sim

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

Cronin also voted for one of the people claiming to be able to clear themselves, and is my top target by a long shot...just saying, you could have picked anyone and made your point better.

I see what your trying to say, and i dont think were going to see eye to eye any time soon

[SnDvls]

dola -

or

OOC:?
which I use for Out of Character for real life stuff

[SnDvls]

damn you blade blocking my dola

[path12]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I dunno, cronin said the exact same thing I did, he missed it too. To be honest, I don't take much stock in "hints" like that, it's too easy to read whatever you want into something like that and draw whatever conclusion you feel like.

Here's my point. Day four, yeah I agree with you because there's some info out there and maybe a hint isn't gonna cut it.

But day one, you pay attention to hints like that and give the person giving the hint the benefit of the doubt rather than lynch a good guy with no info.

There's plenty of time to have the story checked out. Err on the side of caution day 1. Otherwise we risk losing someone valuable. Like we just did.

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

Cronin also voted for one of the people claiming to be able to clear themselves, and is my top target by a long shot...just saying, you could have picked anyone and made your point better.

I see what your trying to say, and i dont think were going to see eye to eye any time soon

To be honest, my vote was almost completely the day 1 ntn vote I've been talking about for several weeks. I really just kind of stopped thinking about it, which was probably a mistake, but I didn't feel like causing more stress.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

Here's my point. Day four, yeah I agree with you because there's some info out there and maybe a hint isn't gonna cut it.

But day one, you pay attention to hints like that and give the person giving the hint the benefit of the doubt rather than lynch a good guy with no info.

There's plenty of time to have the story checked out. Err on the side of caution day 1. Otherwise we risk losing someone valuable. Like we just did.

I was just rereading that portion of the thread, and I thought he was talking about the RULES. I didn't even realize it was a hint.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by path12

After this, which is the hint, ITC and Swaggs voted for ntn, and JE voted for ITC instead of the run toward bsak. Plus those who kept their vote on ntn of course.

This is where we should be looking instead of trying to read something into a secret judge vote.

With all due respect, I did not pick up on that. I think ntn could have made things a bit more obvious, since his behind was on the line at such a late hour. Obviously, if I would have been able to pick up on that, I would not have voted for him.

[LoneStarGirl]

I think there are more detectives. It would be pretty stupid to only have one in this game full of crime. So we lost one, but it isn't the end of the world.

[LoneStarGirl]

And I voted for anxiety as a judge.... I probably wont vote for him again, but i wont be voting for blade or daddy either. Both of them are too good at being bad.

[Tyrith]

Like I said, i'm pretty sure there are 3 detectives at least, because I have seen detective IDs 2 and 3 so far

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by LoneStarGirl

And I voted for anxiety as a judge.... I probably wont vote for him again, but i wont be voting for blade or daddy either. Both of them are too good at being bad.

awwww thanks LSG

[Tyrith]

How about JE for judge?

[st.cronin]

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.

[Lathum]

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.

I'd be fine with hoopsguy for now.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

Oh, I will. I've actually decided to wait til spring break, when I'll have some time.

To the ww players: This is a poker thing, not a game thing.

[Tyrith]

I'd be okay with hoopsguy, but he's dangerous as hell.

[Tyrith]

Furthermore, I wouldn't nominate myself as judge because 1) I voted for ntn, so there is some basis for suspicion and 2) right now I think I'm probably a little too controversial.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I'd be okay with hoopsguy, but he's dangerous as hell.

What about you? Is there any reason you wouldn't make a good judge? You don't have to tell us the reason, just curious if there is one.

[LoneStarGirl]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I will need to reread this tomorrow. IO am drunk and just won $4200 in a poker tournament and am chipleader in another.

Sr. Cronin, PM me

how are you still playing online poker? Neteller still has all of GE's money and wont give it back.

[hoopsguy]

I'll put it this way - I'm on my own personal list of people I would like to see in the position, but I'll probably campaign harder against keeping certain elements out of the judge position.

There should be at least two people out there with some kind of information on me. If they perceive me as a threat, they should speak up so we move ahead with another judge, process the info as a group, etc.

Truth be told, with the way I've communicated with some of the folks around here I would be stunned if I could attract a majority of votes. Which is fine with me; if I'm not the judge I'll carve out my destiny here in some other fashion.

Do I get a gavel to bang if elected to office? That would be nice ... and maybe one of those barrister wigs.

[LoneStarGirl]

going to bed....dont type too much between now and 8 am central

[st.cronin]

Great, both my candidates basically said "uh, no."

[hoopsguy]

But for now I'm going to get some sleep.

I agree with most of what path12 has posted in the last hour in terms of reading the situation. I would likely endorse him as a candidate if we are looking at alternate solutions.

Other feelings based on the Day 1 vote:
- DaddyTorgo moved away from NTN after his posts, ended up on Bsak16. Slight positive.
- ImTheCrew voted for Ntndeacon, no reasons provided. Negative.
- Swaggs voted for Ntndeacon to avoid tie, making vote 6-2 at the time. Negative.
- Jonathan Ezarik puts vote on ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote. Baffling and negative.
- path12 listed above. Positive.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

So the tide has turned against Anxiety for judge. Here are two candidates I would like us to consider:

Hoopsguy and Tyrith: received some throwaway votes, so its probable that the mafia/neutrals DON'T want them as judge.

I would prefer hoopsguy, but I would like to hear from both of them as to whether they would want the position.

My guess? You and tyrith are wolves...you 2, with sndvls, have been my list the whole day...tyrith defended you early, was apart of the ntn vote, and now your nominating him for judge.

I think you just tossed hoops in there to cover that up since hes generally trusted more then most.

But your move in regards to tyrith only adds to my doubt that you are among the good of this city

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Great, both my candidates basically said "uh, no."

Not an outright "no" - I'll serve if elected. But I've got my own agenda as well, related into the break-ins to my systems.

I'm going to re-read some Hardy Boys mysteries and try to figure out who had motive and opportunity to come after me. And no, I'm not a professional detective, #3 or otherwise.

[Jonathan Ezarik]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

- Jonathan Ezarik puts vote on ImTheCrew with 6-4 vote. Baffling and negative.

My vote is pretty simple to explain. I didn't think ntn was evil, and I didn't think bsak was evil. I also missed the last couple of votes on bsak. When I voted for ITC, I thought bsak only had a couple votes on him. It appeared to me that ntn was running away with it, so I went with the person who voted for ntn without stating a reason for the vote.

[Alan T]

The Big City Herald
7th Edition

Basketball shocker!

All of the "smart" money appeared to be on Kansas St to pull out the win, but an upset was brewing in the Big City Arena tonight. Oklahoma St pulled out the impressive victory 84-70. In other news, bookies all around town were seen jumping off of bridges.

Pawn Shop deals!

Guns for $1750.00, Bullets for $200! Get them while they last, at your local Big City Pawn shop!

Courtroom used for Blackjack tournament

THe Big City chamber of commerce had a controversial blackjack tournament in the Big City Courthouse today, with the main tables being in the central courtroom itself. Many opposed to the tournament pointed to the recent crimewave as a sign that the city is not serious against crime. Others for the tournament responded, "Deal me in!"

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Not an outright "no" - I'll serve if elected. But I've got my own agenda as well, related into the break-ins to my systems.

I'm going to re-read some Hardy Boys mysteries and try to figure out who had motive and opportunity to come after me. And no, I'm not a professional detective, #3 or otherwise.

Originally Posted by Blade6119

My guess? You and tyrith are wolves...you 2, with sndvls, have been my list the whole day...tyrith defended you early, was apart of the ntn vote, and now your nominating him for judge.

I think you just tossed hoops in there to cover that up since hes generally trusted more then most.

But your move in regards to tyrith only adds to my doubt that you are among the good of this city

Ok, well then, partly to gain the trust of Blade, and partly to befuddle Hoopsguy, I am announcing in thread that I am voting for HOOPSGUY as JUDGE. I will send a pm to Alan T immediately.

I encourage all villagers to do likewise, UNLESS SOMEBODY COMES FORWARD WITH A GOOD REASON WHY HE SHOULD NOT BE JUDGE.

[Swaggs]

I am willing to vote for hoopsguy for judge, as well.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Alan T

The Big City Herald
7th Edition

Basketball shocker!

All of the "smart" money appeared to be on Kansas St to pull out the win, but an upset was brewing in the Big City Arena tonight. Oklahoma St pulled out the impressive victory 84-70. In other news, bookies all around town were seen jumping off of bridges.

Pawn Shop deals!

Guns for $1750.00, Bullets for $200! Get them while they last, at your local Big City Pawn shop!

Courtroom used for Blackjack tournament

THe Big City chamber of commerce had a controversial blackjack tournament in the Big City Courthouse today, with the main tables being in the central courtroom itself. Many opposed to the tournament pointed to the recent crimewave as a sign that the city is not serious against crime. Others for the tournament responded, "Deal me in!"

Holy Shit! Who has money like that?

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by Anxiety

Holy Shit! Who has money like that?

I have a feeling more people then you think

[Lathum]

not me

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

I have a feeling more people then you think

I started out with 500, and I've spent a lot of that already. Geez, to have that much cash would be sweet.

[st.cronin]

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

lol, path is pretty high up my trust list right now...we just keep seeing polar opposites

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Lathum

K State- 20-9
OK State- 19-9

Close matchup in tonights game, OK state has lost 4 in a row including dropping a 2 point heartbreaker on the road to Texas Tech last time out. K State is coming off an impressive win in Colorado and sports impressive road wins including @ Texas, @USC, and @ Nebraska. At first look it appears like 2 teams heading in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact K State needs one win in their last 2 games to clinch a first round bye in the big 12 tournament they will be looking to take care of buisness against a team that looks like they have mailed it in. OK State has owened the matchup lately with an 8-1 record in their last 9, look for KState to change that trend on the road in a big game.

I offer this as a freee service. If you take my advice and win all I ask is you donate what you consider a fair amount.

bzzzzzzzzzzzt

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

lol, path is pretty high up my trust list right now...we just keep seeing polar opposites

Trusting him is first level analysis. He made a good vote. Not trusting him is second level analysis - he was vocal AFTER the deadline, instead of before. I understand the trust for him - my normal mantra in these games is KISS.

I'm not HIGHLY suspicious of him, but he's on the wrong side of zero in my mind.

[path12]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'm reading back through the day, haven't come up with much. I'm actually somewhat suspicious of path for his post-lynch posts. It's all well and good to say after the fact that it was obvious what ntn's role was, but I don't see him making any kind of a stand before deadline.

I didn't think it was my place to say "Hey, I think ntn's the detective!". But I did pose the question to hoo as a semi-hint and I did change my vote right away for whatever that's worth.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by path12

I didn't think it was my place to say "Hey, I think ntn's the detective!". But I did pose the question to hoo as a semi-hint and I did change my vote right away for whatever that's worth.

No, but understand my frustration. Quite a few villagers obviously voted for him. So we could have used a little more guidance, either from you or ntndeacon.

[Blade6119]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Trusting him is first level analysis. He made a good vote. Not trusting him is second level analysis - he was vocal AFTER the deadline, instead of before. I understand the trust for him - my normal mantra in these games is KISS.

I'm not HIGHLY suspicious of him, but he's on the wrong side of zero in my mind.

No, second level analysis was seeing ntn hint at being a detective(something path and i did)...first level analysis is what you claimed to do, in not seeing his hints.

Path also took a stance about being agaisnt judges, a villager move to me...wolves would want to seem as normal as possible, and he made a bold move in declaring his views. A first level analysis would be to see him say i dont think we should elect and say hes a big suspect(like you just did). A second level analysis would be to consider that a wolf wouldnt be so stupid(not one as experienced as path at least, i hope) as to put such a target on their back on day one.

Cronin, i see soooooooo many things wrong with your continued survival(yes, even when this is now night 1) that it seriously concerns me that we will lose this game badly and in spectacular fashion.

[kingfc22]

Damn. That gun is expensive.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Blade6119

No, second level analysis was seeing ntn hint at being a detective(something path and i did)...first level analysis is what you claimed to do, in not seeing his hints.

Path also took a stance about being agaisnt judges, a villager move to me...wolves would want to seem as normal as possible, and he made a bold move in declaring his views. A first level analysis would be to see him say i dont think we should elect and say hes a big suspect(like you just did). A second level analysis would be to consider that a wolf wouldnt be so stupid(not one as experienced as path at least, i hope) as to put such a target on their back on day one.

Cronin, i see soooooooo many things wrong with your continued survival(yes, even when this is now night 1) that it seriously concerns me that we will lose this game badly and in spectacular fashion.

None of those things that you are talking about are the same thing that I was talking about. If you're going to try and argue with me, at least try and stay on the same topic.

Just out of curiosity, how many villagers has the mafia killed so far? By my count, its zero. Incredible that none of their zero kills has been me yet, I agree.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by path12

What is that?

I don't really want to say at the moment as it could expose both Anxiety and myself.

[Narcizo]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Narcizo (now there is a name that screams Mobster!), is your slight trust on Anxiety based on his postings in the thread or information from some other area? If it is something from within the thread, I would be interested in seeing it cited.

Sorry for disappearing but I really had to get some sleep last night. I dunno if I could have swayed anyone (and I'm not sure I want to come out to strongly trying to sway people - as I've nothing more than pretty circumstantial information) but fwiw my "information" wasn't inside the thread.

[Narcizo]

A couple of things about the judge vote spring to mind.
1) a fair few people seem to be willing to say that they voted Anxiety for judge after the event. It might have been more helpful if they had done so before the vote. And even more people who would have voted for him if they'd known.
2) Anxiety was close to getting the vote. To my mind this indicates 2 things - Anxiety is bad and the mob were trying to leverage him in, or he's good and they managed to block his nomination.
3) I don't think all that many people announced who they were voting for. I think we should view the judge vote like a lynch vote today. If you don't announce your vote then you're suspicious.

I still have reason to believe Anxiety is clean but we need to get a bandwagon rolling for a judge candidate so we can be sure of getting one. Apparently the fact that we tried to do that one yesterday put people off, I'd ask these people to reconsider today. This isn't like a lynch vote where you know someone is going to buy it. We need a bandwagon to be sure of a result.

I think the fact that hoopsguy was targeted by hackers and reported it to the police means that he probably isn't a member of the mob. I have a hard time seeing a mob member going to the police for help. What if the investigation turns something else up on him? I don't think it puts him in the clear but it certainly makes me more willing to trust him than anyone else, including Anxiety. Once he's in place then we should be looking at trying to seer him (and protect him, naturally) but we need someone in place as judge.

I'm voting for hoopsguy as judge.