2014 OFFICIAL NCAA Tournament Thread: Connecticut wins the title - Page 15

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I was out with my daughter today, and I saw an old lady getting raped. She had a Michigan key chain, so I just joined in. It was really funny and it taught my daughter a valuable lesson about the worth of competing fans.

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She died!

Sounds like the beginning chapter of the MU/KU rivalry.

stevew · 03-23-2014, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by nol

You caught the Harrisons on their absolute best day. Kentucky obviously played like one of the top teams in the country today, so you can imagine how much those two have struggled for UK to have been an 8 seed coming in.

I think they're projectable NBA starters in a couple years. I'd love to put one with a smaller SG.

britrock88 · 03-23-2014, 06:09 PM

UK over WSU is the upset no one wanted.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

UK over WSU is the upset no one wanted.

SEC fans quite enjoyed it.

chadritt · 03-23-2014, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

SEC fans quite enjoyed it.

Not all of us. Of course I didnt like watching the Wichita State fans cry either so...

BishopMVP · 03-23-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I'm basically with you on the critisism of MBBF however maybe the committee should have saved some of those 13 spots taken up by Big 12/A-10 teams and given them to conferences like the SEC who are undefeated right now in the tournament.

SEC had 2.5 good teams... Florida being good doesn't mean any more about the rest of the sec than Wichita state being good did about the MVC.

And it's the 6th best team from the a10 who made it to the sweet 16... There's a whole lot of randomness there.

B & B · 03-23-2014, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

SEC had 2.5 good teams....

You don't have any idea what youre talking about, do you?

B & B · 03-23-2014, 06:20 PM

SEC is gonna have 3 Sweet 16 teams.

Tenn as an 11 seed is asinine.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

I just think a narrative gets established and the media doesn't like to shy away from it. I don't think Mizzou should have necessarily grabbed the spot but kstate and osu weren't exactly world beaters either and Arkansas or Georiga could have just have easily made it. The Big 12 got SEC football treatment though where every win was a battle and every loss was just such a tough conference.

Except in basketball, while the committee that decides who makes it in does so with a giant pile of data points that football lacks (12-15 games in the non-conference versus football's 3-4, sometimes none of which matter).

The big difference is that in football, you can make the national title game on reputation alone whereas in basketball, you have to win 5 games to get there. They didn't just advance Wichita State to the title game for being undefeated, regardless of competition.

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Matthean · 03-23-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

SEC had 2.5 good teams... Florida being good doesn't mean any more about the rest of the sec than Wichita state being good did about the MVC.

And it's the 6th best team from the a10 who made it to the sweet 16... There's a whole lot of randomness there.

I would argue the so called best conference, the Big Ten, only had three. Those three are in the Sweet 16. The others got bounced in round one. Granted, those three flirted with a #1 seed along the line in some form, could all be in the Elite 8, with many saying one could make the Final Four, and the same team winning it all. I'm not sure the Big Ten is that far ahead of the SEC. Tennessee being the weakest link, but they get first a possible crack at Michigan.

panerd · 03-23-2014, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BishopMVP

SEC had 2.5 good teams... Florida being good doesn't mean any more about the rest of the sec than Wichita state being good did about the MVC.

And it's the 6th best team from the a10 who made it to the sweet 16... There's a whole lot of randomness there.

And it's impossible to debate the narrative if you think the SEC only has 2.5 good teams. One it isn't true and two I have heard talking heads use 2.5 so I think I see where your SEC info is coming from.

Don't forget I live in St. Louis so I can see how teams can inflate their records with the Duquesnes, Fordhams, and St Bonoventures of the world.

Karlifornia · 03-23-2014, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

I was out with my daughter today, and I saw an old lady getting raped. She had a Michigan key chain, so I just joined in. It was really funny and it taught my daughter a valuable lesson about the worth of competing fans.

SPOILER ALERT:

She died!

I can't believe this Stanford team is still dancing

Coffee Warlord · 03-23-2014, 07:14 PM

So my Kansas - Duke final doesn't look so hot.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 07:28 PM

Crazy exchanges between NC and ISU.

mauchow · 03-23-2014, 07:29 PM

I'd be having a heart attack if either of these teams were my fave.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 07:29 PM

Unlike yesterday's early games, you can't say these aren't exciting

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kingfc22 · 03-23-2014, 07:30 PM

Late whistle there. Looked like the right call, but still...

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 07:33 PM

Should be end of game. Clock started late on inbound.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 07:33 PM

The clock started late. I'm not sure what they're going to do with this

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kingfc22 · 03-23-2014, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Should be end of game. Clock started late on inbound.

Indeed.

mauchow · 03-23-2014, 07:34 PM

Yup. Not a smart play by the player. He would have actually had a clean look out there for the win.. historical win. But now not so much.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 07:37 PM

Good call. Great win for the Cyclones.

nol · 03-23-2014, 07:37 PM

Get 'em off the floor. This should be over.

edit: Oops, looks like my stream is a bit behind. Good thing I'm not checking Twitter too regularly

cartman · 03-23-2014, 07:40 PM

Yeah, it looked like they never started the clock when the NC player received the inbounds pass.

Buccaneer · 03-23-2014, 07:40 PM

My son and I watched the ending and I kept being confused what the issue was. It didn't matter if the clock didn't start, he did not even attempt a shot nor was there a timeout called.

Buccaneer · 03-23-2014, 07:44 PM

Besides, it looks (to me) like the ISU took about 4 steps carrying the ball. What's the rule up to now?

Jas_lov · 03-23-2014, 07:44 PM

If the NC player had shot the 3 and made it would they have taken it off the board because the clock didn't start on time?

Matthean · 03-23-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlifornia

I can't believe this Stanford team is still dancing

Them or Dayton in the Elite 8.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 03-23-2014, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

If the NC player had shot the 3 and made it would they have taken it off the board because the clock didn't start on time?

Yes. They can use a stopwatch to manually check the timing while watching the replay.

Glengoyne · 03-23-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

If the NC player had shot the 3 and made it would they have taken it off the board because the clock didn't start on time?

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

Yes. They can use a stopwatch to manually check the timing while watching the replay.

Yeah but without the timeout taken to sort it out I don't think there is any chance they would have waived off a made basket.

JonInMiddleGA · 03-23-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by britrock88

UK over WSU is the upset no one wanted.

Wrong.

Check my bracket

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Glengoyne

Yeah but without the timeout taken to sort it out I don't think there is any chance they would have waived off a made basket.

It would have been the thing everyone on ESPN would be talking about but UNC wouldn't have cared as they'd have moved on

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JonInMiddleGA · 03-23-2014, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by B & B

Tenn as an 11 seed is asinine.

Not really. They're a good example -- maybe -- of how important performance down the stretch can be.

If they played like they're capable of over a whole season then yeah, it'd be asinine. They didn't, to the extent that Martin was probably no better than 50-50 to be back next year, so it's not really a bad seed for them (I thought putting them in the play-in was kinda harsh, but a 10 seed was pretty much their ceiling)

mauchow · 03-23-2014, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Not really. They're a good example -- maybe -- of how important performance down the stretch can be.

If they played like they're capable of over a whole season then yeah, it'd be asinine. They didn't, to the extent that Martin was probably no better than 50-50 to be back next year, so it's not really a bad seed for them (I thought putting them in the play-in was kinda harsh, but a 10 seed was pretty much their ceiling)

Vegas will probably have the Michigan/Tennessee game as a toss-up next week, if that isn't proof of being well over-seeded..... They probably should have been a 6 or 7.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 08:12 PM

Looks like the evening games are the crap ones today

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JonInMiddleGA · 03-23-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mauchow

Vegas will probably have the Michigan/Tennessee game as a toss-up next week, if that isn't proof of being well over-seeded..... They probably should have been a 6 or 7.

And those of us who've watched the Vols all season (like my household) are wondering if UT stays within 10 points of 'em, or if Michigan wins by 20+.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 08:19 PM

Baylor starting out hot from 3

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Jas_lov · 03-23-2014, 08:29 PM

TN has looked good but they did benefit from some favorable matchups. Slumping Iowa team, overseeded UMASS who they were favored against and then Mercer.

whomario · 03-23-2014, 08:31 PM

too many freaking timeouts and commercial breaks. Seriously, this is even worse than the NBA and that has become borderline unwatchable live for me...
What was that, 3 TOs in 1.30 of game time ?

Creighton looks lost against that zone. No one moving into the seams, all they do is pass around the arc.

isaiah austin is an interesting player for Baylor.

B & B · 03-23-2014, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jas_lov

TN has looked good but they did benefit from some favorable matchups. Slumping Iowa team, overseeded UMASS who they were favored against and then Mercer.

Vegas thinks differently as #11 seeded Tenn is catching 2 pts from vaunted #2 seed Michigan.

Going into today, kenpom had Tenn 6th behind the 4 #1 seeds and the controversial defending champs.

#11 seed. LMAO

nol · 03-23-2014, 08:52 PM

Not sure why you'd be complaining about the team's seeding when the bracket broke they way it did. You'd rather they were an 8 playing a 1 seed in the second round? Even if Duke had won, Tennessee's size would have been a problem for them. Teams seeded 5th-12th are even enough that the specific matchup and travel time matter a lot more when determining who gets past the first weekend.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-23-2014, 08:53 PM

UCLA is just too big for this Stephen F. Austin team.

MizzouRah · 03-23-2014, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Wrong.

Check my bracket

Yep, I had Kentucy as well, I also have them beating Louisville.

B & B · 03-23-2014, 09:02 PM

Tenn is not my 'team'

I just found it quite funny and ironic that everyone spent Selection Sunday night to Thursday tipoffs bitching about Lville #4 seed and Mich St #4 seed when the worst injustice to me was Tenn being a play in #11 and UMass being a #6.

As a guideline, I try to not get worked up on rankings, seedings and AP polls.

I thought Wich St got a raw deal as any #1 seed would having to play Kentucky in the 2nd round.

I also thought the MW bracket overall was especially strong.

Butter · 03-23-2014, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

And it's impossible to debate the narrative if you think the SEC only has 2.5 good teams. One it isn't true and two I have heard talking heads use 2.5 so I think I see where your SEC info is coming from.

Don't forget I live in St. Louis so I can see how teams can inflate their records with the Duquesnes, Fordhams, and St Bonoventures of the world.

Do you really think the A10 teams get a lot of credit or RPI bumps by playing the bottom of the conference? No, they get it by playing an actual non-conference schedule that is tough instead of the BCS model of as few road games as possible. The selection committee has shown they reward teams that play tough OOC games and win on the road. The A10 has done that.

Matthean · 03-23-2014, 09:32 PM

Wisconsin can thank two OOC games for their #2 seed.

Vince, Pt. II · 03-23-2014, 09:36 PM

Baylor's running Creighton out of the gym. They're doing it to the tune of 66% shooting (75% on threes), but it's getting late to think that they're going to come back to earth.

sterlingice · 03-23-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthean

Wisconsin can thank two OOC games for their #2 seed.

That's hardly fair:
NCAA College Basketball RPI Rankings - ESPN

Yes, wins against Florida and Virginia (those are pretty darn good wins). But look at their RPI (I realize there are limitations but work with me here):

RPI Top 50: Florida, Saint Louis, Virginia
RPI Top 100: St Johns, Green Bay, West Virginia, Marquette, Eastern Kentucky
RPI > 100: Milwaukee, North Dakota, Bowling Green, Oral Roberts, Prarie View A&M

That means in the non-conference, 9 of their 13 games were in the top 100. That means not a lot of days off.

EDIT: Going 26-7 while playing in arguably the 1st or 2nd best BCS conference probably helped, too

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Matthean · 03-23-2014, 10:00 PM

They are also the only #2 seed who didn't win their regular season conference title and were 3 games back. The fact that they got a #2 seed and MSU is a #4 seed is interesting considering you'll have a hard time proving Wisconsin is the better team. MSU was vastly injured through the year. Wisconsin "had a bad spell." How much does that win against Florida during the second game of the year really count due to how early it is? Apparently a lot. Again, based on in conference play Wisconsin isn't a #2 seed. Those two OOC wins helped them make the leap considering Michigan won the conference by three games, made the conference tourney final, and earned the same seed. Wisconsin had the better OOC run while Michigan had the better conference run. There's not a whole lot to argue with really.

cartman · 03-23-2014, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Baylor's running Creighton out of the gym. They're doing it to the tune of 66% shooting (75% on threes), but it's getting late to think that they're going to come back to earth.

Yeah, when Baylor is hitting the 3s, they are a tough team to beat.

03-23-2014, 06:20 PM	#708
B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	SEC is gonna have 3 Sweet 16 teams. Tenn as an 11 seed is asinine. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT Last edited by B & B : 03-23-2014 at 06:21 PM.

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kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Late whistle there. Looked like the right call, but still... __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

03-23-2014, 07:33 PM	#719
sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	The clock started late. I'm not sure what they're going to do with this SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-23-2014, 07:37 PM	#723
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	Get 'em off the floor. This should be over. edit: Oops, looks like my stream is a bit behind. Good thing I'm not checking Twitter too regularly Last edited by nol : 03-23-2014 at 07:38 PM.

03-23-2014, 06:09 PM	#703
britrock88 Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Madison, WI	UK over WSU is the upset no one wanted.

03-23-2014, 07:14 PM	#713
Coffee Warlord Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Colorado Springs	So my Kansas - Duke final doesn't look so hot.

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Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Crazy exchanges between NC and ISU.

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mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	I'd be having a heart attack if either of these teams were my fave.

03-23-2014, 07:33 PM	#718
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Should be end of game. Clock started late on inbound.

03-23-2014, 07:34 PM	#721
mauchow Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Murfreesboro, TN	Yup. Not a smart play by the player. He would have actually had a clean look out there for the win.. historical win. But now not so much.

03-23-2014, 07:37 PM	#722
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Good call. Great win for the Cyclones.

03-23-2014, 07:40 PM	#724
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Yeah, it looked like they never started the clock when the NC player received the inbounds pass. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

03-23-2014, 07:40 PM	#725
Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	My son and I watched the ending and I kept being confused what the issue was. It didn't matter if the clock didn't start, he did not even attempt a shot nor was there a timeout called.

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Buccaneer Head Coach Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Colorado	Besides, it looks (to me) like the ISU took about 4 steps carrying the ball. What's the rule up to now?

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Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	If the NC player had shot the 3 and made it would they have taken it off the board because the clock didn't start on time?

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Looks like the evening games are the crap ones today SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

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sterlingice Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Back in Houston!	Baylor starting out hot from 3 SI __________________ Houston Hippopotami, III.3: 20th Anniversary Thread - All former HT players are encouraged to check it out! Janos: "Only America could produce an imbecile of your caliber!" Freakazoid: "That's because we make lots of things better than other people!"

03-23-2014, 08:29 PM	#738
Jas_lov College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000	TN has looked good but they did benefit from some favorable matchups. Slumping Iowa team, overseeded UMASS who they were favored against and then Mercer.

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whomario Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2007	too many freaking timeouts and commercial breaks. Seriously, this is even worse than the NBA and that has become borderline unwatchable live for me... What was that, 3 TOs in 1.30 of game time ? Creighton looks lost against that zone. No one moving into the seams, all they do is pass around the arc. isaiah austin is an interesting player for Baylor. __________________ “The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes "Awww!” Last edited by whomario : 03-23-2014 at 08:36 PM.

03-23-2014, 08:52 PM	#741
nol Banned Join Date: Oct 2003	Not sure why you'd be complaining about the team's seeding when the bracket broke they way it did. You'd rather they were an 8 playing a 1 seed in the second round? Even if Duke had won, Tennessee's size would have been a problem for them. Teams seeded 5th-12th are even enough that the specific matchup and travel time matter a lot more when determining who gets past the first weekend. Last edited by nol : 03-23-2014 at 09:00 PM.

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Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	UCLA is just too big for this Stephen F. Austin team.

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B & B College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: A sports era long ago when everything didnt require a Nike logo	Tenn is not my 'team' I just found it quite funny and ironic that everyone spent Selection Sunday night to Thursday tipoffs bitching about Lville #4 seed and Mich St #4 seed when the worst injustice to me was Tenn being a play in #11 and UMass being a #6. As a guideline, I try to not get worked up on rankings, seedings and AP polls. I thought Wich St got a raw deal as any #1 seed would having to play Kentucky in the 2nd round. I also thought the MW bracket overall was especially strong. __________________ Nobody cares about Kyle Orton because he's black. -PT

03-23-2014, 09:32 PM	#746
Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	Wisconsin can thank two OOC games for their #2 seed. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

03-23-2014, 09:36 PM	#747
Vince, Pt. II Pro Starter Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Somewhere More Familiar	Baylor's running Creighton out of the gym. They're doing it to the tune of 66% shooting (75% on threes), but it's getting late to think that they're going to come back to earth.

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Matthean Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008	They are also the only #2 seed who didn't win their regular season conference title and were 3 games back. The fact that they got a #2 seed and MSU is a #4 seed is interesting considering you'll have a hard time proving Wisconsin is the better team. MSU was vastly injured through the year. Wisconsin "had a bad spell." How much does that win against Florida during the second game of the year really count due to how early it is? Apparently a lot. Again, based on in conference play Wisconsin isn't a #2 seed. Those two OOC wins helped them make the leap considering Michigan won the conference by three games, made the conference tourney final, and earned the same seed. Wisconsin had the better OOC run while Michigan had the better conference run. There's not a whole lot to argue with really. __________________ Board games: Bringing people back to the original social network, the table.

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