The Democrat Party Headquarters Thread (No Repubs Allowed!!) - Page 15

Lathum · 07-24-2008, 12:28 PM

catching up.

not sure if it matters but I support Khit for office still.

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 12:34 PM

Why don't we make it heal after the fact? There could be a percentage chance that you can hreal someone who was attacked. Possibly limit the number of uses or make the person known after use. That way there are some limits or risks but it just doesn't end up like another body guard. Let's make it a little more interesting than just random selection.

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 12:36 PM

Are Dems who were voted out still supposed to be in the thread? Not trying to cause trouble just figured we should get clarification so there aren't any issues with it.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Are Dems who were voted out still supposed to be in the thread? Not trying to cause trouble just figured we should get clarification so there aren't any issues with it.

Yes, they can be.

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Are Dems who were voted out still supposed to be in the thread? Not trying to cause trouble just figured we should get clarification so there aren't any issues with it.

Yes. They can (and should) talk to us until they are blue in the face.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 12:38 PM

KWhit, the bill sounds like our ousted congresspersons couldn't be healed if attacked. I think only a word or two needs to be changed to protect all non-wolf "villagers".

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EagleFan

Why don't we make it heal after the fact? There could be a percentage chance that you can hreal someone who was attacked. Possibly limit the number of uses or make the person known after use. That way there are some limits or risks but it just doesn't end up like another body guard. Let's make it a little more interesting than just random selection.

I've only seen a doctor role in the Spawn games (where it's possible that a wolf attack can just wound a player). I'm not sure how that works in a game where a wolf attack is pretty much auto-kill like this one.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 12:44 PM

From the mafia wikipedia page:

Quote:

Protective roles - "Guardian Angel", "Doctor", "Healer", "Archangel", "Bodyguard", etc.

Allied with the Innocents, the "Doctor"-type role defends others at night.^[20] Typically, they will "awaken" at night after the "Mafia" have "gone back to sleep" and point at one person to protect; that person will survive any night-time attack.^[21] Sometimes they are allowed to protect themselves, sometimes only once. (A "Guardian Angel" has the doctor's powers without the ability to self-protect.) The "Nurse" gains the Doctor's abilities if the Doctor dies.^[22]. The Firefighter,^[23] or the Herbalist can protect from some night-time attacks but not others. (In Werewolf, for example, they choose one person to protect with wolfsbane, but that person may still be killed by the Serial Killer.)

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 12:45 PM

So the standard "Doctor" role is the same thing as Bodyguard. I didn't know if CR would let us have another BG, so I put in the % chance in my bill above.

What do you guys think?

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 12:48 PM

So it really is designed to be another name for a BG.

Since it is technically a different role, I would propose not allowing them to self-protect BUT, when they heal someone, that person remembers who tried to kill them.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 12:49 PM

Indeed - sounds just like a bodyguard.

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 12:56 PM

We are kind of legistating this as we go so we should try to add a few twists to it.

Maybe the pserson can select two people to protect but maybe not a 100 percent success rate?

Some other roles, or ideas for roles:

An investigator type of role: gets PM'd some additional clues about an attack

A vigilante type of role: Can perform a one time night attack

A master of disguise: Can select to disguise someone at night. Options being to disguise so that person cannot be found or disguise that person as another player (if the wolves attack the player who was disguised he cannot be found, if they attack the player disguised as there is now a chance the person in disguise will be filled instead of the actual target, this could include wolves which means if a wolf gets disguised as the potential wolf target there is a chance they will be killed instead of the target). This one obviously needs a lot of contigencies, like if the person is disguised as the wolf who is doing the kill he will get killed be the real wolf, or something along that line.

A psychic: Will have a premonition if they are about to be killed with a chance of seeing the attacker's identity within the premonition.

There are a lot of ways we can go with this game and I'm all for thinking a little out of the box (as long as we get things okayed by the SC prior).

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 01:01 PM

I may own KWhit an apology. It may have been Lathum who had the strange votes which I was thinking about last night. Unfortunately I have to close out this window for a while but hopefully I'll have time this evening to look at it again.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:44 PM

Does anyone have any other feedback about the bill or EF's thoughts above? I need to get something out soon.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:46 PM

And who should we support/slurry?

And who should sponsor the bill?

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 01:47 PM

I offered my suggestion -- no ability to self-protect in return for the victim remembering who attacked him.

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

The Most Popular Politicians Among Party Members

1. PackerFanatic
2. mccollins
3. KWhit
4. Chubby
5. chesapeake
6. Lathum
7. henry296
8. EagleFan
9. path12

There is evidence that both PackerFanatic was targeted in the media.

Polling is still pretty much where it was at from the Congressional elections.

Don't forget: you can pick a new Leader today if you want, or leave the current one in power. And your Liaison is currently out of Congress, so you must select a new one.

Path and EF should sponsor the bill.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:49 PM

That's a good thought. We can run it by CR. I'm worried that pretty much anything might be tough to get through the courts today.

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 01:50 PM

Max of 2 bills today, one of which will include a rider. I think the Courts will return to normal.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:52 PM

NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE BILL

WHEREAS, we are all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This Congress believes that the second and third are currently cared for. Liberty? Well, we got that statue. Pursuit of Happiness? Internet porn (I rest my case). However, the first right is under attack from the Wolf threat.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Nationally sponsored and supported healthcare is hereby established for all citizens (as long as you're a Congressman and not a member of the Wolf Party). This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "Doctor" and granted certain special attributes:

The Doctor may choose one Congressperson per night to protect (the doctor may not protect himself).
If the protected Congressperson is attacked, the Doctor will be there to save him or her (percentage chance to be determined by CR). A saved Congressperson shall have also have a chance of identifying his or her attacker (percentage chance to be determined by CR).

The Doctor shall be chosen randomly by our Creator from the pool of non-Wolf members of Congress who do not currently possess another role created by a previous bill.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:52 PM

What do you guys think?

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE BILL

CONGRESSIONAL SPONSORSHIP: Eaglefan and path12

WHEREAS, we are all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This Congress believes that the second and third are currently cared for. Liberty? Well, we got that statue. Pursuit of Happiness? Internet porn (I rest my case). However, the first right is under attack from the Wolf threat.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Nationally sponsored and supported healthcare is hereby established for all citizens (as long as you're a Congressman and not a member of the Wolf Party). This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "Doctor" and granted certain special attributes:

The Doctor may choose one Congressperson per night to protect (the doctor may not protect himself).
If the protected Congressperson is attacked, the Doctor will be there to save him or her (percentage chance to be determined by CR). A saved Congressperson shall have also have a chance of identifying his or her attacker (percentage chance to be determined by CR).

The Doctor shall be chosen randomly by our Creator from the pool of non-Wolf members of Congress who do not currently possess another role created by a previous bill.

Added sponsors.

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KWhit

NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE BILL

WHEREAS, we are all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This Congress believes that the second and third are currently cared for. Liberty? Well, we got that statue. Pursuit of Happiness? Internet porn (I rest my case). However, the first right is under attack from the Wolf threat.

BE IT RESOLVED:

Nationally sponsored and supported healthcare is hereby established for all citizens (as long as you're a Congressman and not a member of the Wolf Party). This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "Doctor" and granted certain special attributes:

The Doctor may choose one Congressperson per night to protect (the doctor may not protect himself).
If the protected Congressperson is attacked by wolves, the Doctor will be there to save him or her (percentage chance to be determined by CR). A saved Congressperson shall have also have a chance of identifying his or her attacker (percentage chance to be determined by CR).

The Doctor shall be chosen randomly by our Creator from the pool of non-Wolf members of Congress who do not currently possess another role created by a previous bill.

In case we get a hunter or vigilante who happens to nail a wolf.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:55 PM

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

I offered my suggestion -- no ability to self-protect in return for the victim remembering who attacked him.

I like this. But do we need a percentage on the remembering in order to pass the courts? (Might need to directly e.mail the court)

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:57 PM

Do you think I should sent this to CR for pre-review?

PackerFanatic · 07-24-2008, 01:58 PM

Yes, you should.

KWhit · 07-24-2008, 01:59 PM

Cool. Sent.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 02:02 PM

Sounds like from Olie's message in the main thread that it may be too late.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 02:02 PM

(to catch CR)

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 02:02 PM

2 PM Pacific is the time she mentioned. I think we are OK.

Lathum · 07-24-2008, 02:07 PM

I jsut poted this in the main thread but I also wanted to here, voting republican for a wolf is the best way to go, it gives us a 7-2 chance as opposed to a 9-2

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 02:08 PM

Heinz and Pass have been up there on my suspicion list all day and Tyrith isn't doing any favors.

PackerFanatic · 07-24-2008, 02:08 PM

Tyrith has been up there for me too.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

2 PM Pacific is the time she mentioned. I think we are OK.

To clarify, if I understand Olie's post, CR is away from his desk until 2pm PT / 5pm ET. And then can answer a few questions but then he's away til near deadline?

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

Tyrith has been up there for me too.

And not Heinz for being the only person to keep going after you?

PackerFanatic · 07-24-2008, 02:13 PM

Him too.

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins

To clarify, if I understand Olie's post, CR is away from his desk until 2pm PT / 5pm ET. And then can answer a few questions but then he's away til near deadline?

I think that's right.

Lathum · 07-24-2008, 02:18 PM

Tyrith is just being ridiculous right now.

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 02:27 PM

I'm game for changing to Tyrith at some point. He is near the top of my suspect list. I only went PB to try to get some talk going but it didn't do much for that so far.

PB is usually a lot more vocal, especially when he's a wolf (or seems to be in the games I have played the same time as him, which hasn't been much lately as he seemed to have taken a break).

Using the political slant is a very good part of the game for the wolves as it gives them something else to hide behind. I don't think that CR thought of that advantage when the courts blocked our bill last night.

Chubby · 07-24-2008, 02:31 PM

got home from work early, catching up

Lathum · 07-24-2008, 02:34 PM

so considering we have the numbers do we vote as a block again today?

Chubby · 07-24-2008, 02:39 PM

caught up on this thread, now going to catch up on the general thread...

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 02:40 PM

I'll flip to Tyrith this evening. I want to draw PB out a bit just to see what he has to say. I think Tyrith is either a furry one or taking the political role so much to the extreme that it is going to end up hurting the village anyway.

EagleFan · 07-24-2008, 02:43 PM

lol, Tyrith is using the "you typed wrong" arguement on you. That is the exact same thing I tried to use to bring out the "olierage" a few games back when I was the cultist. He seems to be go for Lathumrage with this one.

Chubby · 07-24-2008, 02:54 PM

Here's my thoughts on last night and elections... (still catching up on main thread)

I know I'm a villager and now we know the person who sabotaged my election (was revealed in my PM, I would have won handily) was also a villager. This is making me lean into trusting KWhit and henry more now as I don't think the wolves would let their own people get knocked out of reelection.

I have two congressional elections that I can swing, I tried to use one last night to swing a powerful democrat who I thought was vulnerable but that person used one of their own swing abilities so I still have my two. If that person wants to come forward they can, they haven't so far so I don't know if they simply want to keep it to themselves or what but I respect that choice as well and won't name names.

I will use one of my swings on myself tomorrow night to assure reelection. I would hope that if KWhit and henry have similar abilities then they will do the same thing to ensure they get reelected as well.

I want to get a wolf tonight, i think party wise we need to get a Republican wolf since we're being forced into partisan crap by the Repubs. If someone has a very good Dem wolf vote then I'm not against doing that as well but I haven't seen anything to point to that yet.

path12 · 07-24-2008, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mccollins

Heinz and Pass have been up there on my suspicion list all day and Tyrith isn't doing any favors.

I'm on the same page as you. And I haven't checked back to the main thread in awhile but I'm not sure how to take the Mrs. Schmidty hints -- maybe she was scanned?

Lathum · 07-24-2008, 02:58 PM

I wouldn't be opposed to swapping to Tyrith, but I think it is imprtanwe go republican for 2 reasons.

1. Give us a numbers advantage
2. Better odds at hitting a wolf ( assuming it is 2-2)

chesapeake · 07-24-2008, 03:04 PM

I am not down with a party line vote unless I firmly believe s/he is a wolf. We got burned badly last night for doing this.

I am having a tough time differentiating between any wolfish behavior by Tyrith and a relatively natural response to Lathum's "take no prisioners" approach.

mccollins · 07-24-2008, 03:04 PM

I think we're all kind of suspicious of Heinz/Pass/Tyrith so while it may be partisan at least it's actually based on werewolf logic today.

07-24-2008, 01:52 PM	#720
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	NATIONALIZED HEALTHCARE BILL WHEREAS, we are all endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable Rights, including Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This Congress believes that the second and third are currently cared for. Liberty? Well, we got that statue. Pursuit of Happiness? Internet porn (I rest my case). However, the first right is under attack from the Wolf threat. BE IT RESOLVED: Nationally sponsored and supported healthcare is hereby established for all citizens (as long as you're a Congressman and not a member of the Wolf Party). This mechanism allows for a member of congress to be named as "Doctor" and granted certain special attributes: The Doctor may choose one Congressperson per night to protect (the doctor may not protect himself). If the protected Congressperson is attacked, the Doctor will be there to save him or her (percentage chance to be determined by CR). A saved Congressperson shall have also have a chance of identifying his or her attacker (percentage chance to be determined by CR). The Doctor shall be chosen randomly by our Creator from the pool of non-Wolf members of Congress who do not currently possess another role created by a previous bill.

07-24-2008, 01:55 PM	#724
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Ok.

07-24-2008, 01:58 PM	#727
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Yes, you should. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-24-2008, 02:08 PM	#734
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Tyrith has been up there for me too. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-24-2008, 02:13 PM	#737
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	Him too. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

07-24-2008, 12:28 PM	#701
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	catching up. not sure if it matters but I support Khit for office still.

07-24-2008, 12:34 PM	#702
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Why don't we make it heal after the fact? There could be a percentage chance that you can hreal someone who was attacked. Possibly limit the number of uses or make the person known after use. That way there are some limits or risks but it just doesn't end up like another body guard. Let's make it a little more interesting than just random selection.

07-24-2008, 12:36 PM	#703
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Are Dems who were voted out still supposed to be in the thread? Not trying to cause trouble just figured we should get clarification so there aren't any issues with it.

07-24-2008, 12:38 PM	#706
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	KWhit, the bill sounds like our ousted congresspersons couldn't be healed if attacked. I think only a word or two needs to be changed to protect all non-wolf "villagers".

07-24-2008, 12:45 PM	#709
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	So the standard "Doctor" role is the same thing as Bodyguard. I didn't know if CR would let us have another BG, so I put in the % chance in my bill above. What do you guys think?

07-24-2008, 12:48 PM	#710
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	So it really is designed to be another name for a BG. Since it is technically a different role, I would propose not allowing them to self-protect BUT, when they heal someone, that person remembers who tried to kill them.

07-24-2008, 12:49 PM	#711
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Indeed - sounds just like a bodyguard.

07-24-2008, 12:56 PM	#712
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	We are kind of legistating this as we go so we should try to add a few twists to it. Maybe the pserson can select two people to protect but maybe not a 100 percent success rate? Some other roles, or ideas for roles: An investigator type of role: gets PM'd some additional clues about an attack A vigilante type of role: Can perform a one time night attack A master of disguise: Can select to disguise someone at night. Options being to disguise so that person cannot be found or disguise that person as another player (if the wolves attack the player who was disguised he cannot be found, if they attack the player disguised as there is now a chance the person in disguise will be filled instead of the actual target, this could include wolves which means if a wolf gets disguised as the potential wolf target there is a chance they will be killed instead of the target). This one obviously needs a lot of contigencies, like if the person is disguised as the wolf who is doing the kill he will get killed be the real wolf, or something along that line. A psychic: Will have a premonition if they are about to be killed with a chance of seeing the attacker's identity within the premonition. There are a lot of ways we can go with this game and I'm all for thinking a little out of the box (as long as we get things okayed by the SC prior).

07-24-2008, 01:01 PM	#713
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I may own KWhit an apology. It may have been Lathum who had the strange votes which I was thinking about last night. Unfortunately I have to close out this window for a while but hopefully I'll have time this evening to look at it again.

07-24-2008, 01:44 PM	#714
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Does anyone have any other feedback about the bill or EF's thoughts above? I need to get something out soon.

07-24-2008, 01:46 PM	#715
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	And who should we support/slurry? And who should sponsor the bill?

07-24-2008, 01:47 PM	#716
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	I offered my suggestion -- no ability to self-protect in return for the victim remembering who attacked him.

07-24-2008, 01:49 PM	#718
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	That's a good thought. We can run it by CR. I'm worried that pretty much anything might be tough to get through the courts today.

07-24-2008, 01:50 PM	#719
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Max of 2 bills today, one of which will include a rider. I think the Courts will return to normal.

07-24-2008, 01:52 PM	#721
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	What do you guys think?

07-24-2008, 01:57 PM	#726
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Do you think I should sent this to CR for pre-review?

07-24-2008, 01:59 PM	#728
KWhit Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Conyers GA	Cool. Sent.

07-24-2008, 02:02 PM	#729
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Sounds like from Olie's message in the main thread that it may be too late.

07-24-2008, 02:02 PM	#730
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	(to catch CR)

07-24-2008, 02:02 PM	#731
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	2 PM Pacific is the time she mentioned. I think we are OK.

07-24-2008, 02:07 PM	#732
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I jsut poted this in the main thread but I also wanted to here, voting republican for a wolf is the best way to go, it gives us a 7-2 chance as opposed to a 9-2

07-24-2008, 02:08 PM	#733
mccollins College Prospect Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nicholasville, KY	Heinz and Pass have been up there on my suspicion list all day and Tyrith isn't doing any favors.

07-24-2008, 02:18 PM	#739
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Tyrith is just being ridiculous right now.

07-24-2008, 02:27 PM	#740
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I'm game for changing to Tyrith at some point. He is near the top of my suspect list. I only went PB to try to get some talk going but it didn't do much for that so far. PB is usually a lot more vocal, especially when he's a wolf (or seems to be in the games I have played the same time as him, which hasn't been much lately as he seemed to have taken a break). Using the political slant is a very good part of the game for the wolves as it gives them something else to hide behind. I don't think that CR thought of that advantage when the courts blocked our bill last night.

07-24-2008, 02:31 PM	#741
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	got home from work early, catching up

07-24-2008, 02:34 PM	#742
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	so considering we have the numbers do we vote as a block again today?

07-24-2008, 02:39 PM	#743
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	caught up on this thread, now going to catch up on the general thread...

07-24-2008, 02:40 PM	#744
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I'll flip to Tyrith this evening. I want to draw PB out a bit just to see what he has to say. I think Tyrith is either a furry one or taking the political role so much to the extreme that it is going to end up hurting the village anyway.

07-24-2008, 02:43 PM	#745
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	lol, Tyrith is using the "you typed wrong" arguement on you. That is the exact same thing I tried to use to bring out the "olierage" a few games back when I was the cultist. He seems to be go for Lathumrage with this one.

07-24-2008, 02:54 PM	#746
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Here's my thoughts on last night and elections... (still catching up on main thread) I know I'm a villager and now we know the person who sabotaged my election (was revealed in my PM, I would have won handily) was also a villager. This is making me lean into trusting KWhit and henry more now as I don't think the wolves would let their own people get knocked out of reelection. I have two congressional elections that I can swing, I tried to use one last night to swing a powerful democrat who I thought was vulnerable but that person used one of their own swing abilities so I still have my two. If that person wants to come forward they can, they haven't so far so I don't know if they simply want to keep it to themselves or what but I respect that choice as well and won't name names. I will use one of my swings on myself tomorrow night to assure reelection. I would hope that if KWhit and henry have similar abilities then they will do the same thing to ensure they get reelected as well. I want to get a wolf tonight, i think party wise we need to get a Republican wolf since we're being forced into partisan crap by the Repubs. If someone has a very good Dem wolf vote then I'm not against doing that as well but I haven't seen anything to point to that yet.