Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five - Page 15

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

To piggyback onto Barkeep's thoughts...

Do we know for certain that hoops tried to bribe Alan T on the first night? I know for certain that I prevented hoops from executing his planned magical night action. It makes me nervous to think that they potentially have or had the ability to both attack someone (Fouts) and bribe someone (Alan?) in a single night.

Alan T told me that the PM he recieved the first night was very very neutral toned, obviously deliberatley. Lots of stuff about sin, faith and forgiveness. We both immediatley were very suspicious but Hoops little weasely work got him free again (I even ended up voting for Fouts, oops).

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Alan talked about how they talked about philosophy and life. My PM read in a similar way. We talked about these things and I expressed some unhappiness, and really who WOULDN'T be unhappy with all this paperwork?, and then the bribe came. If alan was unbribable, as claimed, then perhaps that's why an amount was not named. But I could be over thinking the whole thing and gold is indeed just color, so to speak.

AlanT never mentioned anything about an amount of gold to me, although that doesn't necessarily mean he wasn't offered any. He only briefly mentioned what was in his PM really and I didn't think to ask much more about its contents.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 01:02 PM

And I'd be unhappy to if the rest of the council thought I was incompetent.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

But I would think with what we know now it IS possible. He could perform his Dimir role seperately from his public role as Pontifix Maximus. Further why would two good guys lie about having contact with him?

What I mean, is, it's not possible to bribe and attack on the same night. So I think what Alan experienced was probably different from what you experienced.

Although I suppose there may be cases where it is possible ... I don't really know. I'm very much in the dark in this game.

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 01:04 PM

I see what you're saying cronin and agree that's an unlikely combo.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 01:05 PM

Almost forgot.

Vote Path

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I am almost positive this is not possible. That is one reason why I was skeptical of Fouts.

I know for certain that I prevented him from having magical contact with someone (who we now know is Fouts).

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 01:08 PM

Hmmm... No word from Path today?

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 01:09 PM

He was in the thread but left...

Chubby · 08-03-2006, 01:10 PM

Well this seems pretty cut and dried.

Vote Path

Is 800 a lot of gold?

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

He was in the thread but left...

I thought I saw him, too. You would think he would have some defense.

Vote Path

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 01:33 PM

You would think so.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 01:41 PM

What the hell. I had the thread opened earlier but was busy with some work stuff.

My defense burns my role, but it's gonna be shot now anyway. You're getting ready to lynch your seer. My views to date:

N1 -- Saldana, who I chose because of his weird posting. Not a Dimir.
N2 -- Hoops for obvious reasons. Dimir, but I didn't need to reveal that since he got caught that night.

Now, I don't know how if I was picked randomly to be the Dimir lynch target today or if they somehow got hold of my role, but just know that we now have another one for sure in Barkeep.

Vote Barkeep

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 01:43 PM

Notice he brings no new information to the table. None. Worse fake role reveal EVER.

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 01:44 PM

That last sentence, for the record, was said in the style of Comic Book Man from the Simpsons and should be read accordingly

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path12 · 08-03-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Notice he brings no new information to the table. None. Worse fake role reveal EVER.

Can't really help that now, can I? Who would you have picked for those two views? I thought the choices were pretty obvious.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 02:05 PM

Path, how are you the seer? What ablity gives you this role?

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Can't really help that now, can I? Who would you have picked for those two views? I thought the choices were pretty obvious.

I don't think scanning hoops is the "obvious" night 2 thing to do at all.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

Path, how are you the seer? What ablity gives you this role?

The way it was phrased to me was that I am the scholar. Through years of practice I have developed the ability to study members of the guild to determine whether or not they are loyal to the Orzhov cause. I can choose one player per night and will be told whether they are loyal Orzhov or Dimir. I cannot get any detailed role information other than that.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't think scanning hoops is the "obvious" night 2 thing to do at all.

Really? After the Fouts/Hoops near tie? Who might you have chosen?

And isn't it interesting that nobody has come out to either a) defend me or b) counter my claim......

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't think scanning hoops is the "obvious" night 2 thing to do at all.

Yeah, I think almost anybody else would have been a better choice.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, I think almost anybody else would have been a better choice.

*shrug* Maybe it was a bad choice then. I thought it seemed obvious. I've never been a seer before.

Chubby · 08-03-2006, 03:26 PM

I have to leave for work soon (4:30 - 10:30 EST) so I won't be back until after the vote even tho today seems pretty straight forward (which is why I think there's very little discussion so far)

KWhit · 08-03-2006, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Yeah, I think almost anybody else would have been a better choice.

Agreed. Worst choice ever.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 04:11 PM

Fuck. OK already. Bad choice, I get it. Sheesh.

Has anyone come out to say I'm not legit though? Has anyone countered my reveal? You might think I'm a shitty seer, but I am your seer nonetheless.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 04:14 PM

Tangle, can you say why Barkeep was in your COT today? I asked you earlier, but if you answered I missed it.

Barkeep49 · 08-03-2006, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Fuck. OK already. Bad choice, I get it. Sheesh.

Has anyone come out to say I'm not legit though? Has anyone countered my reveal? You might think I'm a shitty seer, but I am your seer nonetheless.

Maybe the real seer doesn't want to risk coming out when a Dimir has been so obviously trapped in a lie.

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 04:46 PM

Path, do you use magic to scan people or is it just a skill you have?

path12 · 08-03-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Maybe the real seer doesn't want to risk coming out when a Dimir has been so obviously trapped in a lie.

Well that's a nice "when did you stop beating your wife" argument.

The only accusation against me is your story. So I don't think it's nearly as obvious as you make it out to be.

I'm not going to stop answering any questions any of you might have, but I am going to stop trying to defend myself more than I already have. If you choose to lynch your seer, I will go to my death like the Orzhov I am.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Path, do you use magic to scan people or is it just a skill you have?

As I understand it, it is a skill I have developed during my years of study.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 04:48 PM

Path, why do you think Barkeep fingered you?

path12 · 08-03-2006, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Path, why do you think Barkeep fingered you?

I'm really not sure. Like I mentioned earlier, I've tried to fly sort of low this game since I've not been a seer before. And I haven't gotten any PM's that make me feel like I was being watched or anything like that.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 06:27 PM

It's also interesting path that the two people you scanned are now dead.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Fuck. OK already. Bad choice, I get it. Sheesh.

Path, you're a experienced player who has played in many WW games. Why would anyone want to view someone who is 100% going down the next day, regardless of what you might state? It just doesn't make sense to view Hoops in that situation.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Tangle, can you say why Barkeep was in your COT today? I asked you earlier, but if you answered I missed it.

It has to do with my role. I am not a seer, but I do have ways of finding out information.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 06:33 PM

So ok ...

If path turns up bad we have one left, probably one of these three:

Chief Rum
Chubby
Schmidty

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

So ok ...

If path turns up bad we have one left, probably one of these three:

Chief Rum
Chubby
Schmidty

Time for a reveal from me, even though I don't know exactly what to do with it.

While trying to prevent hoops from trying to probe/kill (presumably kill, since that is what Fouts said) someone on night 2 (the night before his lynch), someone tried to cast a spell on hoops, but my magic prevented anything from getting in or out to hoops that night. In my estimation, one of these three guys were the party responsible.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tanglewood

It's also interesting path that the two people you scanned are now dead.

Bad luck, that. Certainly would have been easier to claim I had viewed Tanglewood and st. cronin. But I didn't.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Time for a reveal from me, even though I don't know exactly what to do with it.

While trying to prevent hoops from trying to probe/kill (presumably kill, since that is what Fouts said) someone on night 2 (the night before his lynch), someone tried to cast a spell on hoops, but my magic prevented anything from getting in or out to hoops that night. In my estimation, one of these three guys were the party responsible.

/scratches head

One of those three? Is it possible it was somebody OTHER than one of those three?

path12 · 08-03-2006, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

While trying to prevent hoops from trying to probe/kill (presumably kill, since that is what Fouts said) someone on night 2 (the night before his lynch), someone tried to cast a spell on hoops, but my magic prevented anything from getting in or out to hoops that night. In my estimation, one of these three guys were the party responsible.

What does that mean though? I doubt another Dimir would have been trying to attack their partner.

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

/scratches head

One of those three? Is it possible it was somebody OTHER than one of those three?

It is certainly possible, but I think it was one of those three.

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

What does that mean though? I doubt another Dimir would have been trying to attack their partner.

So do I, I am hoping to clear someone else and narrow down the candidates that could be Dimir. If they recount the event accurately, it could be beneficial in clearing someone.

path12 · 08-03-2006, 07:19 PM

Out until after lynch. Good luck.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

It is certainly possible, but I think it was one of those three.

I guess the question is, do you think it was one of those three just because of what happened that night, or because of other things that have happened in the game?

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 07:26 PM

nm, I think I understand

Swaggs · 08-03-2006, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I guess the question is, do you think it was one of those three just because of what happened that night, or because of other things that have happened in the game?

Let's see what happens with the information I have put out there before I say too much more.

Abe Sargent · 08-03-2006, 08:58 PM

Time Check

Abe Sargent · 08-03-2006, 09:00 PM

Tonight's vote is just as anti-climatic as the previous night's. path12 understands that his death is near. He reaches into his pocket and pulls out a rosy sphere, breaking it in his hand. Suddenly, path disappears!

No one can teleport in or out of the compound, so he has to still be here. Many of you run off to find path before he can leave. Chief Rum chuckles. Several of you stop searching and pause. "You guys cannot have been that easily fooled," Chief Rum states.

He swirls his right index finger and intones a word. Suddenly, a flash occurs, and path is revealed, hiding under the table. Chief Rum continues, "You were all fooled by a simple invisibility spell. Tsk tsk."

Before he can try any more tricks, path is grabbed by a pair of guards and dragged to the sacrifical altar. Path begins pleading. "You've made a mistake, a terrible mistake!"

A glance from KWhit and path's pleadings are mystically muted. St. cronin pronounces judgment and a pontifex from outside of the council pronounces the rites.

After the blooding is over, all of you cannot hide your smiles. Although the time of the Dimir Infiltration has been long and dangerous, you cannot shake the feeling that you are nearing the end. Can it be almost over?

Day Four has ended. Night four has begun. It will end at 3:30 am EST Friday morning.

tanglewood · 08-03-2006, 09:18 PM

Excellent, nice work Barkeep.

st.cronin · 08-03-2006, 09:22 PM

woo-ha

By the way, my political prowess has been returned. I believe my vote for hoopsguy restored my prestige.

08-03-2006, 01:08 PM	#708
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Hmmm... No word from Path today? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-03-2006, 01:41 PM	#713
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	What the hell. I had the thread opened earlier but was busy with some work stuff. My defense burns my role, but it's gonna be shot now anyway. You're getting ready to lynch your seer. My views to date: N1 -- Saldana, who I chose because of his weird posting. Not a Dimir. N2 -- Hoops for obvious reasons. Dimir, but I didn't need to reveal that since he got caught that night. Now, I don't know how if I was picked randomly to be the Dimir lynch target today or if they somehow got hold of my role, but just know that we now have another one for sure in Barkeep. Vote Barkeep __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-03-2006, 04:11 PM	#725
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Fuck. OK already. Bad choice, I get it. Sheesh. Has anyone come out to say I'm not legit though? Has anyone countered my reveal? You might think I'm a shitty seer, but I am your seer nonetheless. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-03-2006, 04:14 PM	#726
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Tangle, can you say why Barkeep was in your COT today? I asked you earlier, but if you answered I missed it. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-03-2006, 04:46 PM	#728
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Path, do you use magic to scan people or is it just a skill you have? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

08-03-2006, 01:02 PM	#703
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	And I'd be unhappy to if the rest of the council thought I was incompetent.

08-03-2006, 01:04 PM	#705
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I see what you're saying cronin and agree that's an unlikely combo.

08-03-2006, 01:05 PM	#706
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Almost forgot. Vote Path

08-03-2006, 01:09 PM	#709
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	He was in the thread but left...

08-03-2006, 01:10 PM	#710
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Well this seems pretty cut and dried. Vote Path Is 800 a lot of gold?

08-03-2006, 01:33 PM	#712
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	You would think so.

08-03-2006, 01:43 PM	#714
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Notice he brings no new information to the table. None. Worse fake role reveal EVER.

08-03-2006, 01:44 PM	#715
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	That last sentence, for the record, was said in the style of Comic Book Man from the Simpsons and should be read accordingly .

08-03-2006, 02:05 PM	#717
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Path, how are you the seer? What ablity gives you this role?

08-03-2006, 03:26 PM	#723
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I have to leave for work soon (4:30 - 10:30 EST) so I won't be back until after the vote even tho today seems pretty straight forward (which is why I think there's very little discussion so far)

08-03-2006, 04:48 PM	#731
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	Path, why do you think Barkeep fingered you? __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-03-2006, 06:27 PM	#733
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	It's also interesting path that the two people you scanned are now dead.

08-03-2006, 06:33 PM	#736
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	So ok ... If path turns up bad we have one left, probably one of these three: Chief Rum Chubby Schmidty __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-03-2006, 07:19 PM	#743
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Out until after lynch. Good luck. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-03-2006, 07:26 PM	#745
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	nm, I think I understand __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

08-03-2006, 08:58 PM	#747
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Time Check __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-03-2006, 09:00 PM	#748
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Tonight's vote is just as anti-climatic as the previous night's. path12 understands that his death is near. He reaches into his pocket and pulls out a rosy sphere, breaking it in his hand. Suddenly, path disappears! No one can teleport in or out of the compound, so he has to still be here. Many of you run off to find path before he can leave. Chief Rum chuckles. Several of you stop searching and pause. "You guys cannot have been that easily fooled," Chief Rum states. He swirls his right index finger and intones a word. Suddenly, a flash occurs, and path is revealed, hiding under the table. Chief Rum continues, "You were all fooled by a simple invisibility spell. Tsk tsk." Before he can try any more tricks, path is grabbed by a pair of guards and dragged to the sacrifical altar. Path begins pleading. "You've made a mistake, a terrible mistake!" A glance from KWhit and path's pleadings are mystically muted. St. cronin pronounces judgment and a pontifex from outside of the council pronounces the rites. After the blooding is over, all of you cannot hide your smiles. Although the time of the Dimir Infiltration has been long and dangerous, you cannot shake the feeling that you are nearing the end. Can it be almost over? Day Four has ended. Night four has begun. It will end at 3:30 am EST Friday morning. __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

08-03-2006, 09:18 PM	#749
tanglewood College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2004	Excellent, nice work Barkeep.

08-03-2006, 09:22 PM	#750
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	woo-ha By the way, my political prowess has been returned. I believe my vote for hoopsguy restored my prestige. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

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