Werewolf XXXIII: Animal Farm (SEE POST #4 FOR ALL UPDATES) - Page 15

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:30 PM

Alan, as far as having a hard time reading me in games - when I am good I try to be as transparent as possible about my activities and goals.

It is great for me if my bad guy persona seems to be doing the same, but it is frustrating when no one ever trusts me or clears me when I am actually a good guy. (Sigh), whining over.

Alan T · 09-13-2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Thanks for the catch, guys.

I have another thought on tonight's vote, although I'm not wild about it. Ardent missed the vote yesterday and is 35 minutes from missing again today. Normally that means the moderator has to go hunting for a replacement player. The last thing I want to do is keep AE from playing the game and having some outlet for fun while he is serving in Africa. But if his schedule is doing exactly that, then perhaps he becomes a better candidate than what I admit is a stab in the dark at Bek.

I was thinking that earlier, but this late, I really don't want to risk letting Greyfooroo get lynched right now is my main concern.

(rebooting computer back in a little bit)

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:38 PM

wow...didnt realize that i be under this much heat on day three...all i have to say is if you guys are voting for me because of me backing up blade, i only did that because that was the only information we had at the moment...give me valid information on someone else and i will be happy to debate it and change my vote...but you guys are making a wrong choice...and to me being quiet...there have been queiter...

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:43 PM

Bek, how about helping us construct a theory on someone else? That is one of my other concerns about quiet players (not strictly measured by post count). As we get into the end game scenarios, if I'm still around I'm hoping my fellow Farm loyalists are going to be people who can help me with brainstorming and bring up possibilities I haven't considered.

Believe it or not, I actually like considering other people's ideas more than my own because
1.) It helps me to break away from my own assumptions
2.) It gives me some idea of what kind of risks my "teammates" are willing to take

So, if you only have twenty minutes to live in this game what kind of information would you want to leave us with?

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Bek, how about helping us construct a theory on someone else? That is one of my other concerns about quiet players (not strictly measured by post count). As we get into the end game scenarios, if I'm still around I'm hoping my fellow Farm loyalists are going to be people who can help me with brainstorming and bring up possibilities I haven't considered.

Believe it or not, I actually like considering other people's ideas more than my own because
1.) It helps me to break away from my own assumptions
2.) It gives me some idea of what kind of risks my "teammates" are willing to take

So, if you only have twenty minutes to live in this game what kind of information would you want to leave us with?

i would look at the jump on me when it first started...i believe one of those two to be a wolf...other than that im still figuring things out myself..i wasnt expecting myself to be in this situation today

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:46 PM

back from dinner with the gf, catching up...

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:46 PM

dola,

and its not that i backed up blade because he is my friend, but we had nothing to go off of...and that revealing clover or moses would be wrong this early

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:47 PM

So are you looking at me and BrianD there or me and Anxiety?

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

So are you looking at me and BrianD there or me and Anxiety?

you and brian D...have been looking at him since day 2...some of his posts have been fishy to me

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

Bek, given that the person driving this idea is the known good, I don't think you can question the motives.

So why would it be bad for those people to PM Swaggs, given that they will retain the ability to post in the thread later about their information?

RealDeal · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

I don't have a good feeling on this and would love to get a better lead in the next 15 minutes, but at least it would eliminate the Bosom Buddy dynamic:

vote bek

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

by him i mean BrianD...hence me voting him day one and two

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bek

you and brian D...have been looking at him since day 2...some of his posts have been fishy to me

Examples?

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:49 PM

So what's the reasoning behind the late rush for Bek?

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:50 PM

Bek, I'm willing to switch my vote but we still have SIX people who have not voted with 10 minutes to go. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here but I'm also trying to get (force?) you into participating while you are in the thread.

Lorena · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

I have a little bit of catching up to do. I've been quiet for the same reason Greyroofoo has been quiet, it's just difficult to form an opinion when roles aren't revealed upon death and we can't really go off of anything but voting patterns.

I don't want you all to think that I'm evil just because I don't say anything, so if ya want something, fine. I'll just throw something out there:

Well let's see... Today is Day 3 so that means Snowball, Clover and Moses have scanned a total of 6 people (?). Chances are more than 1 person got scanned twice... What are the odds that one of these people is evil? Probably close to nothing unless they got lucky.

I'll have to agree with Blade and wait, there's not much info to go on. But now that it's being thrown out there, I wouldn't be suprised if Swaggs dies tomorrow morning.

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Good:

Snowball the Pig: Can view one other player at night via PM. Result of view will be evil/not evil. Has no PM privledges.

Clover the Horse: Can view one lynch victim per night via PM. Will learn full role of player chosen.

Moses the Raven: Can view one night kill victim per night via PM. Will learn full role of player chosen.

Still catching up but in the meantime:

Vote GoldenEagle

He seems to be piling on (bullet yesterday and Grey today) so I'm going with that. Not only that, bullet died because someone changed their vote to save GE.

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

Today was a late voting day alright

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

Chubby, I put an argument out about Bek in Post #681. And I admit it is weak, yet we have seen three people follow me onto it.

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chubby

So what's the reasoning behind the late rush for Bek?

that im rl friends with blade...noting substantial

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:51 PM

I'm thinking a tie might be a good thing tonight. We don't have a lot of info (seemingly an issue with the rules since we don't find out roles). A tie could get us more info as it did last time...

RealDeal · 09-13-2006, 08:52 PM

I want to add that there is no reason in the world to not do Swaggs idea. No downside. No roles are revealed to anyone except Swaggs. If he dies, his knowleedge of Clover and Moses die with him, so no harm done. This should be done ASAP and the bodyguard should be protecting Swaggs if he can.

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:52 PM

can we get a vote count...i dont have time to do one myself

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:53 PM

I think this is accurate, as of Post #722:

Bek 5 -- BrianD (602), Hoops (681), Anxiety (683), AlanT (690), RealDeal (711)
Greyroofoo 3 -- Blade (603), GoldenEagle (630), Bek (633)
Anxiety 2 -- Passacaglia (646), Swaggs (688)
ardent 1 -- Grammaticus (634)
GE 1 -- Dodgerchick (716)

Not voting: ardent, Chubby, Greyroofoo

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:53 PM

i think it is hopeless...i dont know what i did...but all i have to say is that im a barnyard animal

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chubby, I put an argument out about Bek in Post #681. And I admit it is weak, yet we have seen three people follow me onto it.

K. I'm not questioning your motives behind your argument. I find it suspect that others quickly followed a "weak" argument (that you admit).

I think it's in our best interests to have a tie tonight. My vote will be a vote towards that end.

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:54 PM

Bek, my vote is mobile, just convince me to go elsewhere. How was BrianD suspicious?

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:54 PM

if being friends is a crime then i am guilty...

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:55 PM

there were posts in day one and two..if you let me live i will prove it to you
...i just dont believe i have time to search and find them now..sry..i wont let u down

RealDeal · 09-13-2006, 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bek

if being friends is a crime then i am guilty...

wow this has to be the most pathos-evoking post in WW history.

Greyroofoo · 09-13-2006, 08:56 PM

more or less to make sure my own skin is saved

vote bek

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 08:56 PM

UNVOTE BEK
VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST

Bek, please come strong if you are here tomorrow.

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:57 PM

vote greyroofoo

i implore someone on bek to change before the deadline to make a tie. a tie means more info IMO

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:58 PM

5 bek
4 greyroofoo

right now

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:58 PM

Agreed Bek

Besides, I don't like Chubby's let's vote for a tie thing was very suspicious to me.

Unvote Bek
Vote Chubby

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:58 PM

i think it is useless for me to continue fighting...you have killed a villager tonight...i will come out with the information that i have at this point...

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:58 PM

Anxiety - If info to help us barnyard animals is what you seek, you'll move off of bek to create a tie

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:59 PM

I did Chubby

Bek · 09-13-2006, 08:59 PM

im died...nice gesture anx...thanks

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:59 PM

On you

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 08:59 PM

You are not dead yet Bek - 4-4 tie with Grey

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 08:59 PM

If the vote goes to me so be it.

The only way we've gained a member in the CoT is through a tie. It's the only way I see us gaining another without a role reveal (which I don't think is a good move right just yet)

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 09:00 PM

time check

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 09:01 PM

Well, at least tonight wasn't boring or anything

Bek · 09-13-2006, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anxiety

You are not dead yet Bek - 4-4 tie with Grey

thought for sure that i was...nice to see that i have some trust...no matter how little it may be...i will show you what i mean about brianD tonight

Bek · 09-13-2006, 09:02 PM

well, wonder who has the tiebreak???

Abe Sargent · 09-13-2006, 09:02 PM

Reading over the recent posts. I missed a few in the frenzy. Tiebreaker person, good luck.

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 09:04 PM

I don't have any idea if greyroofoo and/or bek are good/evil. I just don't see any other way for us to gain trust in a person than through a tie right now.

I think role reveals would be a bad idea at Day 3.

Greyroofoo · 09-13-2006, 09:05 PM

how exactly would a tie make you able to trust someone?

Chubby · 09-13-2006, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greyroofoo

how exactly would a tie make you able to trust someone?

I have one person in my CoT (as I think others do too), that person got there because of a tie in lynch votes.

Since I don't see path online, we'll find out soon enough.

hoopsguy · 09-13-2006, 09:08 PM

Chubby, that person is trusted because they exercised the Duke option after they lost the tie-breaker. Not because of us arriving at a tie.

09-13-2006, 08:51 PM	#717
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Today was a late voting day alright __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:54 PM	#726
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Bek, my vote is mobile, just convince me to go elsewhere. How was BrianD suspicious? __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:58 PM	#734
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Agreed Bek Besides, I don't like Chubby's let's vote for a tie thing was very suspicious to me. Unvote Bek Vote Chubby __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#737
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	I did Chubby __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#739
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	On you __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:30 PM	#701
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Alan, as far as having a hard time reading me in games - when I am good I try to be as transparent as possible about my activities and goals. It is great for me if my bad guy persona seems to be doing the same, but it is frustrating when no one ever trusts me or clears me when I am actually a good guy. (Sigh), whining over.

09-13-2006, 08:38 PM	#703
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	wow...didnt realize that i be under this much heat on day three...all i have to say is if you guys are voting for me because of me backing up blade, i only did that because that was the only information we had at the moment...give me valid information on someone else and i will be happy to debate it and change my vote...but you guys are making a wrong choice...and to me being quiet...there have been queiter...

09-13-2006, 08:43 PM	#704
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bek, how about helping us construct a theory on someone else? That is one of my other concerns about quiet players (not strictly measured by post count). As we get into the end game scenarios, if I'm still around I'm hoping my fellow Farm loyalists are going to be people who can help me with brainstorming and bring up possibilities I haven't considered. Believe it or not, I actually like considering other people's ideas more than my own because 1.) It helps me to break away from my own assumptions 2.) It gives me some idea of what kind of risks my "teammates" are willing to take So, if you only have twenty minutes to live in this game what kind of information would you want to leave us with?

09-13-2006, 08:46 PM	#706
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	back from dinner with the gf, catching up...

09-13-2006, 08:46 PM	#707
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	dola, and its not that i backed up blade because he is my friend, but we had nothing to go off of...and that revealing clover or moses would be wrong this early

09-13-2006, 08:47 PM	#708
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	So are you looking at me and BrianD there or me and Anxiety?

09-13-2006, 08:49 PM	#710
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bek, given that the person driving this idea is the known good, I don't think you can question the motives. So why would it be bad for those people to PM Swaggs, given that they will retain the ability to post in the thread later about their information?

09-13-2006, 08:49 PM	#711
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I don't have a good feeling on this and would love to get a better lead in the next 15 minutes, but at least it would eliminate the Bosom Buddy dynamic: vote bek

09-13-2006, 08:49 PM	#712
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	by him i mean BrianD...hence me voting him day one and two

09-13-2006, 08:49 PM	#714
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	So what's the reasoning behind the late rush for Bek?

09-13-2006, 08:50 PM	#715
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Bek, I'm willing to switch my vote but we still have SIX people who have not voted with 10 minutes to go. Believe it or not, I'm trying to help you here but I'm also trying to get (force?) you into participating while you are in the thread.

09-13-2006, 08:51 PM	#718
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Chubby, I put an argument out about Bek in Post #681. And I admit it is weak, yet we have seen three people follow me onto it.

09-13-2006, 08:51 PM	#720
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	I'm thinking a tie might be a good thing tonight. We don't have a lot of info (seemingly an issue with the rules since we don't find out roles). A tie could get us more info as it did last time...

09-13-2006, 08:52 PM	#721
RealDeal High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: here	I want to add that there is no reason in the world to not do Swaggs idea. No downside. No roles are revealed to anyone except Swaggs. If he dies, his knowleedge of Clover and Moses die with him, so no harm done. This should be done ASAP and the bodyguard should be protecting Swaggs if he can.

09-13-2006, 08:52 PM	#722
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	can we get a vote count...i dont have time to do one myself

09-13-2006, 08:53 PM	#723
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I think this is accurate, as of Post #722: Bek 5 -- BrianD (602), Hoops (681), Anxiety (683), AlanT (690), RealDeal (711) Greyroofoo 3 -- Blade (603), GoldenEagle (630), Bek (633) Anxiety 2 -- Passacaglia (646), Swaggs (688) ardent 1 -- Grammaticus (634) GE 1 -- Dodgerchick (716) Not voting: ardent, Chubby, Greyroofoo

09-13-2006, 08:53 PM	#724
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	i think it is hopeless...i dont know what i did...but all i have to say is that im a barnyard animal

09-13-2006, 08:54 PM	#727
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	if being friends is a crime then i am guilty...

09-13-2006, 08:55 PM	#728
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	there were posts in day one and two..if you let me live i will prove it to you ...i just dont believe i have time to search and find them now..sry..i wont let u down

09-13-2006, 08:56 PM	#730
Greyroofoo Pro Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Alabama	more or less to make sure my own skin is saved vote bek

09-13-2006, 08:56 PM	#731
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	UNVOTE BEK VOTE ARDENT ENTHUSIAST Bek, please come strong if you are here tomorrow.

09-13-2006, 08:57 PM	#732
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	vote greyroofoo i implore someone on bek to change before the deadline to make a tie. a tie means more info IMO

09-13-2006, 08:58 PM	#733
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	5 bek 4 greyroofoo right now

09-13-2006, 08:58 PM	#735
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	i think it is useless for me to continue fighting...you have killed a villager tonight...i will come out with the information that i have at this point...

09-13-2006, 08:58 PM	#736
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	Anxiety - If info to help us barnyard animals is what you seek, you'll move off of bek to create a tie

09-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#738
Bek High School JV Join Date: Aug 2005	im died...nice gesture anx...thanks

09-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#740
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	You are not dead yet Bek - 4-4 tie with Grey __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

09-13-2006, 08:59 PM	#741
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	If the vote goes to me so be it. The only way we've gained a member in the CoT is through a tie. It's the only way I see us gaining another without a role reveal (which I don't think is a good move right just yet)

09-13-2006, 09:00 PM	#742
Chubby Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Syracuse, NY	time check

09-13-2006, 09:01 PM	#743
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Well, at least tonight wasn't boring or anything __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent