OT: A Song of Ice and Fire Series (spoilers inside) - Page 15

wade moore · 07-21-2009, 01:43 PM

Ok, it's been too long since I read it then and I was mixing up stuff from Wiki..

Based on wiki he killed Aerys at 17.

flere-imsaho · 07-21-2009, 01:45 PM

Also bear in mind that I think Martin bases the ages of his characters more on the examples from our medieval period, where you could go off to war in your mid-teens, you'd be at the pinnacle of your profession around 30, and if you were 50+ you were really old. Since modern "older" actors look better (and younger) than they ever have, the idea of casting a 50-year-old as a 35-year-old isn't a huge stretch.

Bad-example · 07-21-2009, 01:51 PM

This should be a pretty large production but my guess is that most of the actors will be small/unknown names for money reasons. There should be a few recognizable faces but not many.

lordscarlet · 07-21-2009, 02:46 PM

The question is: Who will play Brianne?

DaddyTorgo · 07-21-2009, 02:52 PM

i love that we're worried about this

DaddyTorgo · 07-21-2009, 02:53 PM

i think the character of arya will be the toughest/most interesting to cast. she's the character that (to date at least) has the most varied experiences and undergoes the most huge changes and shifts. will take an actress who's younger but with a lot of range.

cschex · 07-21-2009, 02:53 PM

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The question is: Who will play Brianne?

They won't have to worry about that unless they pick it up for A Clash of Kings, but yeah, I can't imagine many actresses clamoring to play the part of an ugly woman.

ISiddiqui · 07-21-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lordscarlet

The question is: Who will play Brianne?

Janet Reno

ISiddiqui · 07-21-2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cschex

They won't have to worry about that unless they pick it up for A Clash of Kings, but yeah, I can't imagine many actresses clamoring to play the part of an ugly woman.

Though thinking about this, Robin Weigert, who is NOT an ugly woman, uglied up pretty good to play Calamity Jane in "Deadwood". She'd be perfect, IMO.

OldGiants · 07-21-2009, 03:53 PM

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yes, really x2.

What happened to the picture link?

And I hope you both realize I was referring to being okay with a guy who played Fred Flintstone, not that you didn't know who Mark Addy is.

DaddyTorgo · 07-21-2009, 07:32 PM

eh - i don't think roles that he played in the past are any indication how he'll be in any other role

flounder · 08-04-2009, 07:37 PM

Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version).

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Honolulu_Blue · 08-04-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version).

Not A Blog - Scooped

A very good choice.

Lady H_B loves that BBC "Pride & Prejudice." She's watched it multiple times and it's like 5+ hours long. When I broke the news that Elizabeth Bennet would be playing Catelyn Stark, she replied: "Ugh, it will be annoying to have to hate her."

lighthousekeeper · 08-04-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version).

Not A Blog - Scooped

yes very vlose to how i pictured that character

flere-imsaho · 08-05-2009, 08:43 AM

The casting folks on this one are on fire so far.

sachmo71 · 08-06-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

Janet Reno

Chyna?

sachmo71 · 08-06-2009, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by flounder

Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version).

Not A Blog - Scooped

not pretty enough by half, imo

Galaril · 08-06-2009, 09:14 AM

The book done?......Ah, more TV stuff don't care until he finished the book series. I mean would you watch a series on TV Knowing it would end in a cliffhanger that is never finished or resolved? I suppose someone could finish Martins books ala Wheel of Time for him after he croaks which unfortunately may not be far off from the looks of him lately.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-06-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

I mean would you watch a series on TV Knowing it would end in a cliffhanger that is never finished or resolved?

Absolutely.

Galaril · 08-07-2009, 05:42 PM

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Absolutely.

All I meant is the TV series is great but I rather be hearing he has finished the next book and can not get tooexcited about a series which at this point I already know what is goignt o happen. I guess it is just me

Schmidty · 08-07-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by flounder

Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version).

Not A Blog - Scooped

Don't really know her, but I hope she's bitchy enough to play my least favorite character in the series.

TargetPractice6 · 08-21-2009, 04:12 PM

Lots of new castings announced on Martin's blog. Still looking solid if you ask me.

3ric · 08-23-2009, 02:45 AM

Nikolaj Coster-Waldau as Jaime

Never seen the guy before, but the name rings vaguely familiar

Edit: oh, he's Danish - that probably explains it

MrBug708 · 08-23-2009, 04:40 AM

I can buy it

JeeberD · 08-23-2009, 04:42 AM

I've only heard of him because the wife and I watched New Amsterdam. Personally, I don't think he's 'pretty' enough, but hopefully he can pull it off...

wade moore · 08-23-2009, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I've only heard of him because the wife and I watched New Amsterdam. Personally, I don't think he's 'pretty' enough, but hopefully he can pull it off...

So did we. Interesting choice. I'd agree... but we'll see.

GrantDawg · 08-23-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I've only heard of him because the wife and I watched New Amsterdam. Personally, I don't think he's 'pretty' enough, but hopefully he can pull it off...

Same. Maybe they'll pretty him up a bit.

aran · 08-23-2009, 12:11 PM

He also looks a bit old for Jaime. Jaime can't be older than 25 in AGOT, this guy looks like he's in his late thirties.

Honolulu_Blue · 08-23-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by aran

He also looks a bit old for Jaime. Jaime can't be older than 25 in AGOT, this guy looks like he's in his late thirties.

He is a bit old, but all of the cast seems to be a bit older than the characters actual ages in the book. When AGOT starts Jaime is about 31-32 or so. The actor is 39.

aran · 08-23-2009, 03:59 PM

I thought Jaime wasn't older than 17 when he killed the old King in Robert's Rebellion. There were 15 years between Robert's victory and his death? I though Dany was a young child when her father was killed and she was 14ish when AGOT tokes place?

cschex · 08-23-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by aran

I thought Jaime wasn't older than 17 when he killed the old King in Robert's Rebellion. There were 15 years between Robert's victory and his death? I though Dany was a young child when her father was killed and she was 14ish when AGOT tokes place?

Dany was conceived a couple of months before the Sack of King's Landing and was born on Dragonstone after the war was basically over. It is 15 years between the Rebellion and aGoT.

ISiddiqui · 08-23-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

I've only heard of him because the wife and I watched New Amsterdam.

Same. And he was awesome in New Amsterdam!

terpkristin · 08-24-2009, 06:13 PM

Just saw GRRM's latest post about Arya and Sansa. Sansa matches my mental image of her almost perfectly, Arya's pretty close (I imagined her hair a bit different).

/tk

JeeberD · 08-25-2009, 08:43 AM

Personally I think Arya's dead on. The actress looks exactly like I imagined her...

Schmidty · 08-25-2009, 11:45 AM

I've always pictured Arya with a much longer face, so this girl isn't quite "perfect" as far as my mental image of the character.

Sansa and Dany are spot-on perfect though. I've also come to think the new Jaime will be a good fit.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-02-2009, 08:57 AM

Some more casting news...

They've casted Lena Headey, of "300" and "Sarah Connor Chronicles" fame, as Cersei Lannister. That's another "big name", so that's good.

As to whether she can pull it off... I never really saw Cersei being as fit and lean as Lena Headey. I always imagined Cersei and slender, yet soft; not so much slender and chiseled. That said, I do think Lena's hot and all that is just quibbling.

As to whether she's a great actress... She was "ok" in both 300 and Terminator. She wasn't the best part of Terminator, but I don't think the role of Sarah Connor is really all that rewarding. She pretty much has to be tough, somewhat distant, paranoid, and highly over protective of her son. Even in her role in 300 she played the sort of tough, stoic queen. I've never really seen Lena even try to play seductive (and stupid) before.

Sometimes actors can surprise. For example, the guy who played McNulty on The Wire (Dominic West) was the bad Spartan (who Leda killed) in 300 and the bad guy in the latest Punisher movie. He was pretty awful in both movies, but simply rocked as McNulty. He was awesome. Sometimes folks just fit a role. Maybe the reason Leda came off as a bit stiff in 300 and Terminator was because was born to play a seductress like Cersei.

I always felt like the tall, blonde Cylon chick from BSG would have been the best choice for Cersei. I know she can do seductive.

They also filled the role of The Hound. He's being played by a Scottish guy, Rory McCann. You can check him out on imdb. He was the guy in "Hot Fuzz" who just said "yarp" and was in "Alexander." I think can look the part and definitely can pull it off physically. He's 6'6".

Galaril · 09-02-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Some more casting news...

They've casted Lena Headey, of "300" and "Sarah Connor Chronicles" fame, as Cersei Lannister. That's another "big name", so that's good.

As to whether she can pull it off... I never really saw Cersei being as fit and lean as Lena Headey. I always imagined Cersei and slender, yet soft; not so much slender and chiseled. That said, I do think Lena's hot and all that is just quibbling.

As to whether she's a great actress... She was "ok" in both 300 and Terminator. She wasn't the best part of Terminator, but I don't think the role of Sarah Connor is really all that rewarding. She pretty much has to be tough, somewhat distant, paranoid, and highly over protective of her son. Even in her role in 300 she played the sort of tough, stoic queen. I've never really seen Lena even try to play seductive (and stupid) before.

Sometimes actors can surprise. For example, the guy who played McNulty on The Wire (Dominic West) was the bad Spartan (who Leda killed) in 300 and the bad guy in the latest Punisher movie. He was pretty awful in both movies, but simply rocked as McNulty. He was awesome. Sometimes folks just fit a role. Maybe the reason Leda came off as a bit stiff in 300 and Terminator was because was born to play a seductress like Cersei.

I always felt like the tall, blonde Cylon chick from BSG would have been the best choice for Cersei. I know she can do seductive.

They also filled the role of The Hound. He's being played by a Scottish guy, Rory McCann. You can check him out on imdb. He was the guy in "Hot Fuzz" who just said "yarp" and was in "Alexander." I think can look the part and definitely can pull it off physically. He's 6'6".

Oh God I hate this choice not at all what I would of thought of for Cersei. This is a real reach when you look at the last two roles she did that you mention. She would have been great for Catelyn Stark but not Cersei I mean a golden haired queens she is not.

Boo.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-02-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Galaril

Oh God I hate this choice not at all what I would of thought of for Cersei. This is a real reach when you look at the last two roles she did that you mention. She would have been great for Catelyn Stark but not Cersei I mean a golden haired queens she is not.

Boo.

Give her some golden hair and I think she is hot enough to pull it off. Despite being a fan of both 300 and Sarah Connor, I didn't think she particularly excelled in either role, so perhaps she was really born to play a more Cerseiesque character than a tough-as-nails character.

The more I think on it, the more I like it. Besides, I think, in most cases (not all), it's really tough to judge without actually seeing the actor/actress perform the role.

DaddyTorgo · 09-02-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

Give her some golden hair and I think she is hot enough to pull it off. Despite being a fan of both 300 and Sarah Connor, I didn't think she particularly excelled in either role, so perhaps she was really born to play a more Cerseiesque character than a tough-as-nails character.

The more I think on it, the more I like it. Besides, I think, in most cases (not all), it's really tough to judge without actually seeing the actor/actress perform the role.

Cersei is tough in her own way too. I think Lena can pull it off with a sexy wig (although tbh i always pictured cersei as a more voluptous woman than her also)

Schmidty · 09-02-2009, 02:15 PM

I always see Cersei as having big ass titties and a heart-shaped ass, so this doesn't work for me.

Sorry. I meant "ample bosoms", and "buttocks", not ass.

DaddyTorgo · 09-02-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I always see Cersei as having big ass titties and a heart-shaped ass, so this doesn't work for me.

Sorry. I meant "ample bosoms", and "buttocks", not ass.

yep. i mean really...if she's not ridiculously smoking-hot then why is her hero-knight/brad pitt-esque brother down with the whole incest thing? Unless (and maybe it'll be played up this way in the series) they think that by doing so they're somehow equal to the Targaryen's?

Autumn · 09-02-2009, 02:17 PM

Well a lot of actors do a lot of work to get ready for a role ...

Schmidty · 09-02-2009, 02:19 PM

Dola.

I loved the "yarp" guy in Hot Fuzz, so I hope he can pull it off.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-02-2009, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

I always see Cersei as having big ass titties...

That's incredibly shocking coming from you. We all know how you love your big ass titties.

Swing low sweet chariots.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-02-2009, 03:01 PM

Also, if I recall, I don't think she's ever described as being buxom, voluptuous or excessively be-tittied.

Schmidty · 09-02-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Honolulu_Blue

We all know how you love your big ass titties.

If I had big ass titties, I'd never get anything done, because I'd be hanging upside down motorboating myself all the time.

Honolulu_Blue · 09-02-2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

If I had big ass titties, I'd never get anything done, because I'd be hanging upside down motorboating myself all the time.

That is a happy image. Thanks!

Autumn · 09-02-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Schmidty

If I had big ass titties, I'd never get anything done, because I'd be hanging upside down motorboating myself all the time.

Manboobs are within the realm of possibility for you. Go on a Homer Simpson diet.

Samdari · 09-03-2009, 07:50 AM

Does anyone else get the impression from all this casting crap that he has completely abandoned writing again?

Honolulu_Blue · 09-03-2009, 07:56 AM

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Does anyone else get the impression from all this casting crap that he has completely abandoned writing again?

No, not really. I think he's definitely involved and, therefore, probably distracted by it, but if it wasn't casting it'd be some convention, toy knights, the start of the NFL season, some anthology he's editing, etc.

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DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	eh - i don't think roles that he played in the past are any indication how he'll be in any other role __________________ If I've ever helped you and you'd like to buy me a coffee, or just to say thanks, I have my Bitcoin and Ethereum addressed listed below :) BTC: bc1qykhsfyn9vw4ntqfgr0svj4n9tjdgufryh2pxn5 ETH: 0x2AcdC5cd88EA537063553F5b240073bE067BaCa9

08-23-2009, 02:45 AM	#723
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07-21-2009, 01:45 PM	#702
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	Also bear in mind that I think Martin bases the ages of his characters more on the examples from our medieval period, where you could go off to war in your mid-teens, you'd be at the pinnacle of your profession around 30, and if you were 50+ you were really old. Since modern "older" actors look better (and younger) than they ever have, the idea of casting a 50-year-old as a 35-year-old isn't a huge stretch.

07-21-2009, 01:51 PM	#703
Bad-example College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: san jose CA	This should be a pretty large production but my guess is that most of the actors will be small/unknown names for money reasons. There should be a few recognizable faces but not many.

08-04-2009, 07:37 PM	#712
flounder High School Varsity Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lynchburg, VA	Jennifer Ehle to play Catelyn Stark. Good choice IMHO. She was great in Pride and Prejudice (not the zombie version). Not A Blog - Scooped

08-05-2009, 08:43 AM	#715
flere-imsaho Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Chicagoland	The casting folks on this one are on fire so far.

08-06-2009, 09:14 AM	#718
Galaril Pro Starter Join Date: Jan 2004	The book done?......Ah, more TV stuff don't care until he finished the book series. I mean would you watch a series on TV Knowing it would end in a cliffhanger that is never finished or resolved? I suppose someone could finish Martins books ala Wheel of Time for him after he croaks which unfortunately may not be far off from the looks of him lately.

08-21-2009, 04:12 PM	#722
TargetPractice6 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Lexington, KY	Lots of new castings announced on Martin's blog. Still looking solid if you ask me.

08-23-2009, 04:40 AM	#724
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I can buy it

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08-23-2009, 12:11 PM	#728
aran High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA	He also looks a bit old for Jaime. Jaime can't be older than 25 in AGOT, this guy looks like he's in his late thirties.

08-23-2009, 03:59 PM	#730
aran High School Varsity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA	I thought Jaime wasn't older than 17 when he killed the old King in Robert's Rebellion. There were 15 years between Robert's victory and his death? I though Dany was a young child when her father was killed and she was 14ish when AGOT tokes place?

08-24-2009, 06:13 PM	#733
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08-25-2009, 11:45 AM	#735
Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	I've always pictured Arya with a much longer face, so this girl isn't quite "perfect" as far as my mental image of the character. Sansa and Dany are spot-on perfect though. I've also come to think the new Jaime will be a good fit. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

09-02-2009, 08:57 AM	#736
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Some more casting news... They've casted Lena Headey, of "300" and "Sarah Connor Chronicles" fame, as Cersei Lannister. That's another "big name", so that's good. As to whether she can pull it off... I never really saw Cersei being as fit and lean as Lena Headey. I always imagined Cersei and slender, yet soft; not so much slender and chiseled. That said, I do think Lena's hot and all that is just quibbling. As to whether she's a great actress... She was "ok" in both 300 and Terminator. She wasn't the best part of Terminator, but I don't think the role of Sarah Connor is really all that rewarding. She pretty much has to be tough, somewhat distant, paranoid, and highly over protective of her son. Even in her role in 300 she played the sort of tough, stoic queen. I've never really seen Lena even try to play seductive (and stupid) before. Sometimes actors can surprise. For example, the guy who played McNulty on The Wire (Dominic West) was the bad Spartan (who Leda killed) in 300 and the bad guy in the latest Punisher movie. He was pretty awful in both movies, but simply rocked as McNulty. He was awesome. Sometimes folks just fit a role. Maybe the reason Leda came off as a bit stiff in 300 and Terminator was because was born to play a seductress like Cersei. I always felt like the tall, blonde Cylon chick from BSG would have been the best choice for Cersei. I know she can do seductive. They also filled the role of The Hound. He's being played by a Scottish guy, Rory McCann. You can check him out on imdb. He was the guy in "Hot Fuzz" who just said "yarp" and was in "Alexander." I think can look the part and definitely can pull it off physically. He's 6'6". __________________ *Steve Yzerman*: 1,755 points in 1,514 regular season games. 185 points in 196 postseason games. A First-Team All-Star, Conn Smythe Trophy winner, Selke Trophy winner, Masterton Trophy winner, member of the Hockey Hall of Fame, Olympic gold medallist, and a three-time Stanley Cup Champion. Longest serving captain of one team in the history of the NHL (19 seasons).

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09-02-2009, 02:17 PM	#742
Autumn Head Coach Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Bath, ME	Well a lot of actors do a lot of work to get ready for a role ...

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Schmidty Coordinator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Early, TX	Dola. I loved the "yarp" guy in Hot Fuzz, so I hope he can pull it off. __________________ Just beat the devil out of it!!! - Bob Ross

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