Survivor: New Howard Tribal Thread (Tribal Council Due 10 PM Sunday) - Page 15

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-08-2007, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

go ahead JE. but if i was hem Iwould say it was a mistake regardless of the facts now

Why would you say it was a mistake if it wasn't?

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:44 PM

Anyone notice the flurry of posts in their thread?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-08-2007, 11:44 PM

I guess they don't want to talk about it.

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:46 PM

Maybe not. But I bet Lathum and Alan are thinking it over if they're clean.

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:46 PM

You think I'm right or off-base, JE?

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:47 PM

Or ntn. Or Marathoner. Didn't mean to leave anyone out.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-08-2007, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

You think I'm right or off-base, JE?

I honestly don't know. I don't think you're wrong in that there is a wolf in our tribe and theirs, but I don't know about the communication part. Although I do have to say that their bids are eerily close to ours. Is that coincidence or foul play?

But again, I go back to why take us down? Why not go after Oz again and try to get another shot at having the seer voted out? Especially if Lupus gave the wolfbane to Oz. Is there something there that I'm not seeing?

ntndeacon · 02-08-2007, 11:53 PM

I think there was talk right when the challenge went out as to who should win the challenge. and I do think that it was decided that either Helsing would win or we would lose or both

ntndeacon · 02-08-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Why would you say it was a mistake if it wasn't?

I would say it is a mistake and get my tribe to go along with it because part of me is playing survivor more than WW.

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I honestly don't know. I don't think you're wrong in that there is a wolf in our tribe and theirs, but I don't know about the communication part. Although I do have to say that their bids are eerily close to ours. Is that coincidence or foul play?

But again, I go back to why take us down? Why not go after Oz again and try to get another shot at having the seer voted out? Especially if Lupus gave the wolfbane to Oz. Is there something there that I'm not seeing?

It's a fair question. But having two tribes down to three might help a team with multiple wolves stay strong. Could also be that if there was a wolf on Oz that he wasn't available or didn't have a good idea of exactly where they had placed their bid. (I'm thinking out loud here, so bear with me). On the other hand, we were the only team that hadn't bid yet. Our bid could be somewhat influenced and at the same time Helsing's "mistaken" bid could be influenced -- but both subtly enough to not make it totally obvious.

path12 · 02-08-2007, 11:58 PM

Besides, when it comes right down to it you take the easy kills where you can. Oz might be the main target overall, but we might have just been the easier target today.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

It's a fair question. But having two tribes down to three might help a team with multiple wolves stay strong.

Maybe. I didn't think about that. I guess I'm so caught up on each tribe having only one wolf. If there is one with multiple wolves, how many wolves are in the game?

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Could also be that if there was a wolf on Oz that he wasn't available or didn't have a good idea of exactly where they had placed their bid. (I'm thinking out loud here, so bear with me). On the other hand, we were the only team that hadn't bid yet. Our bid could be somewhat influenced and at the same time Helsing's "mistaken" bid could be influenced -- but both subtly enough to not make it totally obvious.

Couldn't the Oz wolf have gotten the info out to both the Helsing wolf and the wolf in our tribe? Even if he couldn't have altered their bid, the wolves could have altered our bids and Helsing's.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:04 AM

The other thing to keep in mind was the reward. If they have a wolf or two that has influence in their tribe -- they get to influence which questions to ask!!

And they won that challenge by 20 points. That's a ton.

Started with 22 players. 4-5 wolves? I bet they have two.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:05 AM

Another I just thought of in regards to SnDvls (since he replaced Tyrith). Both Tyrith and ImTheCrew started off without tribes, which I found odd. Is it possible that they can both be wolves?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

The other thing to keep in mind was the reward. If they have a wolf or two that has influence in their tribe -- they get to influence which questions to ask!!

And they won that challenge by 20 points. That's a ton.

Started with 22 players. 4-5 wolves? I bet they have two.

Another good point. I forgot about what the challenge was for (aside from immunity). You're starting to convince me here, path.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Couldn't the Oz wolf have gotten the info out to both the Helsing wolf and the wolf in our tribe? Even if he couldn't have altered their bid, the wolves could have altered our bids and Helsing's.

This is the one sticking point that I'm having trouble explaining to my satisfaction. (Well, I'm actually already convinced, but as far as addressing your questions

).

The short answer is I don't know why us and not Oz. It could be that Oz doesn't have a wolf, or that the wolf was busy with other stuff and didn't really know for sure where they were going today.

The other explanation that I like better is that by targeting the team that had not bid; the wolves on each team didn't have to be as obvious. Our team's wolf changes a thing or two, their team's wolf changes a thing or two.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Another I just thought of in regards to SnDvls (since he replaced Tyrith). Both Tyrith and ImTheCrew started off without tribes, which I found odd. Is it possible that they can both be wolves?

Wow. You can tell I'm tired when I post stuff like "Another I just thought of".

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

The other explanation that I like better is that by targeting the team that had not bid; the wolves on each team didn't have to be as obvious. Our team's wolf changes a thing or two, their team's wolf changes a thing or two.

This brings up the dirty little question that no one wants to ask: Who is our wolf, then?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

This brings up the dirty little question that no one wants to ask: Who is our wolf, then?

I'm not sure yet. But it is definitely time to start going back through the thread. Luckily we have lots of time to do that.

I had hoped we were wolfless, because I really really really like our team.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:19 AM

well I will tell y'all something Ilearned in te last game. Blade kinda hammered this point home to us. In order to be effective as wolves, they must be leaders in thier groups. I think that might even be MORE important in this setting.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:21 AM

Actually for us, I think we're even more vulnerable because in my opinion we've been pretty majority driven. But your point is a valid one.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:23 AM

we have been majority driven... but does that make it easier or harder for the wolf to hide?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:26 AM

I think that we are probably a bit more likely than other teams to give everyone an equal voice. I think there are more type A personalities on the other teams then on ours.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:28 AM

Whether or not that's an advantage or disadvantage for a wolf I'm not sure.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:28 AM

I would agree with that path. I imagine any clues left to us are going to be tiny hints.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:30 AM

I think it is an advantage to a wolve who might see us as easily swayed or could be the one who makes the majority. in our small number a majority is only really 2 more or less.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:31 AM

So ntn, what's your thought? Do we have a wolf in our midst?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Although I do have to say that their bids are eerily close to ours. Is that coincidence or foul play?

By the way, just going back to this for a quick second. The one thing that stands out to me more than anything else and convinces me that it is not coincidence is this one:

Lower Fang -- not on their original. We bid $6, an odd amount. They bid $7.
I cannot buy that as coincidence.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

So ntn, what's your thought? Do we have a wolf in our midst?

probably. I could see a 2-1-1-0 possibility of wolf distribution. I do not think SnDvls or Imthe Crew are wolves.

That was the main reason isuggested to check each group to find out how many wolves per group. If we get one with this vote then everyone will know that the rest of us are not wolves and can go other ways...especially when we merge...since Barkeep has mentioned that posibility

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:41 AM

Very interesting night, guys. Lots to think about. Talk to you tomorrow.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:41 AM

I will say that any ideas I have about wolves in our quartet are not firm and are mercurial (sorry I like that word

)

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:42 AM

What's the tribe without a wolf?

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:42 AM

and just so it is out there, I was the other vote on Marathoner.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:42 AM

Night, path. I'm about to head off myself.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:43 AM

you mentioned as a possibility Oz might not have one.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:43 AM

as am I . i think Marathoner went to bed a while ago

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 12:44 AM

lets hope the wolves dont decimate us furthe tonight

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:45 AM

Actually, I think that was path that said that. Or maybe I did. It's late.

I'm going to look at yesterday's challenge again tomorrow to see why Oz did so poorly. I can see a wolf tanking their chances yesterday so he could have a shot at voting off the seer.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 10:30 AM

Any thoughts on today's challenge? The only text sims I play are FM and EHM.

Marathoner · 02-09-2007, 10:51 AM

The only one I play is FOF.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:03 AM

Do we have a problem with telling everyone how we voted in our tribal council? I don't see any harm in it, and if it can help flush out a wolf, I say let's do it.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:06 AM

Even though I know nothing about the Fast Break series, should we take that one? It doesn't even have a page, so it might be the easiest one to do.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:01 PM

I just bought FBCB last week since the demo for the new pro game kept crashing.....so I guess we can start there, but I'm by no means an expert on it.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Do we have a problem with telling everyone how we voted in our tribal council? I don't see any harm in it, and if it can help flush out a wolf, I say let's do it.

I've got no problem with it either -- if it can help them find the wolf let's do it.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:02 PM

It's either that or MF, and I don't know what we can add to the MF page other than: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS PRODUCT!!!

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

It's either that or MF, and I don't know what we can add to the MF page other than: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS PRODUCT!!!

The page could be an entire recounting of the thread.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:05 PM

I do not have a great connection right now for some reason. Very slow.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:06 PM

So should I grab FB?

Marathoner · 02-09-2007, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I've got no problem with it either -- if it can help them find the wolf let's do it.

I am for it too.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:15 PM

Yeah, the board is acting up today.

02-08-2007, 11:44 PM	#702
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Anyone notice the flurry of posts in their thread? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-08-2007, 11:46 PM	#704
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Maybe not. But I bet Lathum and Alan are thinking it over if they're clean. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-08-2007, 11:46 PM	#705
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	You think I'm right or off-base, JE? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-08-2007, 11:47 PM	#706
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Or ntn. Or Marathoner. Didn't mean to leave anyone out. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-08-2007, 11:58 PM	#711
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Besides, when it comes right down to it you take the easy kills where you can. Oz might be the main target overall, but we might have just been the easier target today. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-08-2007, 11:44 PM	#703
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I guess they don't want to talk about it.

02-08-2007, 11:53 PM	#708
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I think there was talk right when the challenge went out as to who should win the challenge. and I do think that it was decided that either Helsing would win or we would lose or both

02-09-2007, 12:04 AM	#713
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	The other thing to keep in mind was the reward. If they have a wolf or two that has influence in their tribe -- they get to influence which questions to ask!! And they won that challenge by 20 points. That's a ton. Started with 22 players. 4-5 wolves? I bet they have two. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:05 AM	#714
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Another I just thought of in regards to SnDvls (since he replaced Tyrith). Both Tyrith and ImTheCrew started off without tribes, which I found odd. Is it possible that they can both be wolves?

02-09-2007, 12:19 AM	#720
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	well I will tell y'all something Ilearned in te last game. Blade kinda hammered this point home to us. In order to be effective as wolves, they must be leaders in thier groups. I think that might even be MORE important in this setting.

02-09-2007, 12:21 AM	#721
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Actually for us, I think we're even more vulnerable because in my opinion we've been pretty majority driven. But your point is a valid one. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:23 AM	#722
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	we have been majority driven... but does that make it easier or harder for the wolf to hide?

02-09-2007, 12:26 AM	#723
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I think that we are probably a bit more likely than other teams to give everyone an equal voice. I think there are more type A personalities on the other teams then on ours. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:28 AM	#724
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Whether or not that's an advantage or disadvantage for a wolf I'm not sure. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:28 AM	#725
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I would agree with that path. I imagine any clues left to us are going to be tiny hints.

02-09-2007, 12:30 AM	#726
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I think it is an advantage to a wolve who might see us as easily swayed or could be the one who makes the majority. in our small number a majority is only really 2 more or less.

02-09-2007, 12:31 AM	#727
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So ntn, what's your thought? Do we have a wolf in our midst? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:41 AM	#730
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Very interesting night, guys. Lots to think about. Talk to you tomorrow. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:41 AM	#731
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I will say that any ideas I have about wolves in our quartet are not firm and are mercurial (sorry I like that word )

02-09-2007, 12:42 AM	#732
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	What's the tribe without a wolf?

02-09-2007, 12:42 AM	#733
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	and just so it is out there, I was the other vote on Marathoner.

02-09-2007, 12:42 AM	#734
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Night, path. I'm about to head off myself.

02-09-2007, 12:43 AM	#735
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	you mentioned as a possibility Oz might not have one.

02-09-2007, 12:43 AM	#736
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	as am I . i think Marathoner went to bed a while ago

02-09-2007, 12:44 AM	#737
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	lets hope the wolves dont decimate us furthe tonight

02-09-2007, 12:45 AM	#738
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Actually, I think that was path that said that. Or maybe I did. It's late. I'm going to look at yesterday's challenge again tomorrow to see why Oz did so poorly. I can see a wolf tanking their chances yesterday so he could have a shot at voting off the seer.

02-09-2007, 10:30 AM	#739
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Any thoughts on today's challenge? The only text sims I play are FM and EHM.

02-09-2007, 10:51 AM	#740
Marathoner High School JV Join Date: Nov 2005	The only one I play is FOF.

02-09-2007, 11:03 AM	#741
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Do we have a problem with telling everyone how we voted in our tribal council? I don't see any harm in it, and if it can help flush out a wolf, I say let's do it.

02-09-2007, 11:06 AM	#742
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Even though I know nothing about the Fast Break series, should we take that one? It doesn't even have a page, so it might be the easiest one to do.

02-09-2007, 12:01 PM	#743
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I just bought FBCB last week since the demo for the new pro game kept crashing.....so I guess we can start there, but I'm by no means an expert on it. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:02 PM	#745
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	It's either that or MF, and I don't know what we can add to the MF page other than: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM THIS PRODUCT!!!

02-09-2007, 12:05 PM	#747
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I do not have a great connection right now for some reason. Very slow. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:06 PM	#748
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	So should I grab FB? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:15 PM	#750
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Yeah, the board is acting up today.