2015 MLB thread - Page 15

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 08:41 AM

dola- last time I said it I realized I was being over the top, but he really is getting better with every start, the guy is electric every time he takse the mound.

If Harvey had the last 6 outing deGrom did it would be all over and they would be talking Cy Young award already.

FWIW I think deGrom wins the award this year to go with last years ROY.

cartman · 06-02-2015, 08:43 AM

Kluber has been pretty good over his last 4 starts. 3-1, 32 IP, 5 ER, 22 hits, 2 walks, 50 Ks.

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 08:43 AM

double dola-

l well admit Kuechel ( sp?) has been pretty amazing as well.

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cartman

Kluber has been pretty good over his last 4 starts. 3-1, 32 IP, 5 ER, 22 hits, 2 walks, 50 Ks.

He is the other guy I was thinking about.

My point more is that no one really knows who deGrom is, and he is arguably the best pitcher in the sport right now.

cartman · 06-02-2015, 09:06 AM

We'll get to see a glimpse of Joey Gallo over the next couple of weeks. The Rangers called him up to play 3rd while Beltre is out with his thumb injury. The word is that he has awesome power, but also strikes out a lot. AKA the "Dave Kingman curse".

JPhillips · 06-02-2015, 09:10 AM

deGrom is very good, but he's not the best pitcher in baseball. He has an ERA+ over 150, but Greinke has an ERA+ of 250. If you look at the MLB pitching leaders he shows up rarely in the top ten.

He's very good, and may be a Cy Young winner this year or in the future, but at this point in the season he certainly isn't the best pitcher.

edit: Cueto and Sherzer are 255 and Shelby Miller is 260.

ISiddiqui · 06-02-2015, 09:18 AM

And Scherzer is even better than Greinke (barely) with an ERA+ of 255 (Shelby Miller leads the NL with a 260 ERA+). Scherzer's pitching WAR is at 3.1 (highest for all pitchers) and his FIP is 1.77.

Seriously, that's your Cy Young so far.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-02-2015, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

Yes, because that article is so far fetched. We would all love to see the Royals vs the NL All Stars. Sounds like the writer doesnt know what he is talking about at any rate. Certain teams turn in their ballots at different times so it is more probable that the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels ballots turn ins are lagging behind.

You do realize that the fan voting is online only this year, right? There's no ballots to turn in.

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 09:31 AM

FWIW I said when he is on, I'm not saying he is the best currently, although I'm not so certain he isn't, especially since I don't hold much stock in baseball geek stats.

JPhillips · 06-02-2015, 09:37 AM

The game has just dramatically changed from the steroid era and pitching stats that used to be signs of greatness are now simply signs of very goodness. There are around a half dozen pitchers with ERA+ above 250!

ISiddiqui · 06-02-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

FWIW I said when he is on, I'm not saying he is the best currently, although I'm not so certain he isn't, especially since I don't hold much stock in baseball geek stats.

So it's just based on what you see?

Well, I've seen Scherzer... deGrom isn't close, and I'm a Mets fan.

ISiddiqui · 06-02-2015, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by JPhillips

The game has just dramatically changed from the steroid era and pitching stats that used to be signs of greatness are now simply signs of very goodness. There are around a half dozen pitchers with ERA+ above 250!

We are only a few months in... and there are only 3: Miller, Scherzer, and Greinke. Which half dozen are you looking at?

cartman · 06-02-2015, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Mizzou B-ball fan

You do realize that the fan voting is online only this year, right? There's no ballots to turn in.

And if Infante gets an All-Star nod, it likely will be the last time it will be online only as well.

Johnny93g · 06-02-2015, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I'll say it again. When he is on there is no better pitcher in baseball than deGrom.

I understand this is just overboard fandom, but come on. When any MLB pitchers are "ON" they are excellent. That's basically what being on means.

When Drew Hutchinson is ON, he's baseballs best pitcher. Sure he hasn't been ON to often, but, when he was ON, he was amazing.....

Logan · 06-02-2015, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

I understand this is just overboard fandom, but come on. When any MLB pitchers are "ON" they are excellent. That's basically what being on means.

When Drew Hutchinson is ON, he's baseballs best pitcher. Sure he hasn't been ON to often, but, when he was ON, he was amazing.....

Is his hair as beautiful though?

stevew · 06-02-2015, 12:31 PM

Gerrit Cole is pretty good.

JeeberD · 06-02-2015, 12:36 PM

*cough*DallasKeuchel*cough*

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny93g

I understand this is just overboard fandom, but come on. When any MLB pitchers are "ON" they are excellent. That's basically what being on means.

When Drew Hutchinson is ON, he's baseballs best pitcher. Sure he hasn't been ON to often, but, when he was ON, he was amazing.....

Disagree. The ceiling for a guy like deGrom is complete game shutout with no hitter stuff. When he is at his peak he is unhittable. Not every guy in baseball has that ceiling.

And yes, I realize I am being a fanboy.

Brandon Jacobs for MVP.

Chief Rum · 06-02-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

And yes, I realize I am being a fanboy.

JPhillips · 06-02-2015, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ISiddiqui

We are only a few months in... and there are only 3: Miller, Scherzer, and Greinke. Which half dozen are you looking at?

Today I learned that on June 2 it's easy to mistake the batters faced column for the ERA+ column.

BishopMVP · 06-02-2015, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

FWIW I said when he is on, I'm not saying he is the best currently, although I'm not so certain he isn't, especially since I don't hold much stock in baseball geek stats.

Geek stats like what, ERA (14th) and strikeouts (12th)?

DeGrom's awesome, but even Murray Chass can see that Scherzer and Cole have been better so far in the NL.

Jphillips - ERA's are down and K's up significantly compared to 10, even 5, years ago, but ERA+ is measured vs the current year. I'm sure they'll get pulled back to the pack a little bit (every pitcher has a couple bad starts over 30 times out), but there are some truly ridiculous pitching lines so far this year, even adjusted for run environment.

panerd · 06-02-2015, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Disagree. The ceiling for a guy like deGrom is complete game shutout with no hitter stuff. When he is at his peak he is unhittable. Not every guy in baseball has that ceiling.

And yes, I realize I am being a fanboy.

Brandon Jacobs for MVP.

Replace yourself and DeGrom with MBBF and somebody like Wade Davis or Edinson Volquez and I think you may realize how ridiculous you are being. Like many others have said he is a good/great pitcher. He is not the top pitcher in the game no matter how you want to look at it.

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Replace yourself and DeGrom with MBBF and somebody like Wade Davis or Edinson Volquez and I think you may realize how ridiculous you are being. Like many others have said he is a good/great pitcher. He is not the top pitcher in the game no matter how you want to look at it.

I think you are a little off. I full well admit I am a fanboy, but I am also talking about the reigning ROY who is flat out dominate at times. There is no one on the Royals, or many other staffs, who has the lights out stuff when he is on.

Show me where I definitively said he was the top pitcher in the game. I said when he is on his stuff is as good as anyones, and I stand by that.

panerd · 06-02-2015, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

I think you are a little off. I full well admit I am a fanboy, but I am also talking about the reigning ROY who is flat out dominate at times. There is no one on the Royals, or many other staffs, who has the lights out stuff when he is on.

Show me where I definitively said he was the top pitcher in the game. I said when he is on his stuff is as good as anyones, and I stand by that.

Hate to lift MBBFs spirits but Wade Davis hasn't given up a run the entire season.

Lathum · 06-02-2015, 09:32 PM

When he goes through the same lineup 3 times and is still dominate I'll give him credit. Until then he's just a great reliever.

cartman · 06-02-2015, 09:52 PM

Not a bad debut for Joey Gallo. 3 for 4 (single, double, HR), 4 RBI, 3 runs scored.

cuervo72 · 06-02-2015, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

who is flat out dominate at times

Oh FFS. Dominant. DOMINANT. Not "dominate." Will you learn this already? Shit.

cuervo72 · 06-02-2015, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

3 times and is still dominate

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stevew · 06-02-2015, 10:12 PM

Yeah it tripped me out too and I had to drink in order to compensate

Chief Rum · 06-03-2015, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by panerd

Hate to lift MBBFs spirits but Wade Davis hasn't given up a run the entire season.

Lmao

Lathum · 06-03-2015, 02:18 AM

I wasn't really reading my auto correct. My apologies to Internet spelling police. Kind of lowest common denominator stuff. Way to go.

Chief Rum · 06-03-2015, 02:40 AM

When Chris Archer is on, there isn't a better pitcher in baseball.

stevew · 06-03-2015, 02:44 AM

When Dellin Betances is on, it's like every day of the year.

Chief Rum · 06-03-2015, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

When Dellin Betances is on, it's like every day of the year.

Wish Girardi would finally make him the closer. I am keeping him on my fantasy team, I don't care how long it takes.

stevew · 06-03-2015, 03:10 AM

Probably going to take something like 3 more seasons after this one.

Recoil · 06-03-2015, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

When Chris Archer is on, there isn't a better pitcher in baseball.

Absolutely dominate

Izulde · 06-03-2015, 07:49 AM

Logan · 06-03-2015, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy Mac

Andrew Cashner is the first pitcher in history to allow 10+ hits and get 10+ K in a game where he pitched less than 5 complete innings.

And Noah Syndergaard becomes the second pitcher to ever do it, a day later in the same series. Unbelievable.

cuervo72 · 06-03-2015, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Izulde

I was *this* close to dropping an "English, Motherfucker!" in there. I've seen this enough times to realize this isn't a spelling error, this is a usage error. What I don't know is if Lathum is willfully ignorant or just unable to relearn this. Either way it drives me batshit (which probably ensures he will keep doing it).

Mizzou B-ball fan · 06-03-2015, 09:42 AM

Rough stretch for the Royals. Suddenly have had a power outage. Just not driving the ball right now. Didn't help that they botched the review that ultimately cost the winning run, but still got to score more than one run.

miami_fan · 06-03-2015, 08:00 PM

Unwritten rules question: Junior Lake of the Cubs just hit a two run shot. He stood at home plate for a sec or two, tossed his bat, told the Marlins dugout to be quiet as he rounded third and touched off a bench clearing yelling match once he reached home plate. Replays have shown that a coach and a player both had a conversation with Lake. There also seems to be a great deal of respect for Joe Maddon. Does Lake get hit in his next at bat and if he does, where?

stevew · 06-03-2015, 08:01 PM

Are the Royals involved at all?

MrBug708 · 06-03-2015, 08:07 PM

Clayton Kershaw, when he's on, is the best lefty this side of Koufax.

He hasn't been on much this year

MrBug708 · 06-03-2015, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Are the Royals involved at all?

Dee Gordon is a Royal and his dad, Tom, made his MLB debut with the Royals

MizzouRah · 06-03-2015, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Clayton Kershaw, when he's on, is the best lefty this side of Koufax.

He hasn't been on much this year

Randy Johnson was a beast of a LHP.

Danny · 06-03-2015, 08:36 PM

Looks like Mark Beurhle has thrown for 200+ innings in 14 consecutive seasons. That's pretty impressive in today's game.

JonInMiddleGA · 06-03-2015, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

Unwritten rules question: Junior Lake of the Cubs just hit a two run shot. He stood at home plate for a sec or two, tossed his bat, told the Marlins dugout to be quiet as he rounded third and touched off a bench clearing yelling match once he reached home plate. Replays have shown that a coach and a player both had a conversation with Lake. There also seems to be a great deal of respect for Joe Maddon. Does Lake get hit in his next at bat and if he does, where?

Yeah, he has at least a fastball to the buttocks coming I think.

Might not get it but, if I read the story right, his homer came while trailing 6-0 and made the game 6-1? The lecture might have had as much to do with that (if I read it right) as anything perhaps.

Suicane75 · 06-03-2015, 09:10 PM

Phillies made Mike Leake look absolutely DeGrom like tonight.

Subby · 06-04-2015, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Suicane75

Phillies made Mike Leake look absolutely DeGrom like tonight.

Phils are a great DFS play this year. They are so insanely bad against RHP that there is value in taking almost anyone who pitches against them. They have a .269 wOBA against RHP - the next worst team (MIN) is at .290!

At least they are mid-pack against LHP, albeit much smaller sample size (about 1,000 less plate appearances).

cartman · 06-04-2015, 08:56 AM

Joey Gallo came back to earth last night. He was 1 for 4 with 3 Ks. But the one hit was a home run.

06-02-2015, 08:43 AM	#702
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Kluber has been pretty good over his last 4 starts. 3-1, 32 IP, 5 ER, 22 hits, 2 walks, 50 Ks. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-02-2015, 09:06 AM	#705
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	We'll get to see a glimpse of Joey Gallo over the next couple of weeks. The Rangers called him up to play 3rd while Beltre is out with his thumb injury. The word is that he has awesome power, but also strikes out a lot. AKA the "Dave Kingman curse". __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-02-2015, 09:10 AM	#706
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	deGrom is very good, but he's not the best pitcher in baseball. He has an ERA+ over 150, but Greinke has an ERA+ of 250. If you look at the MLB pitching leaders he shows up rarely in the top ten. He's very good, and may be a Cy Young winner this year or in the future, but at this point in the season he certainly isn't the best pitcher. edit: Cueto and Sherzer are 255 and Shelby Miller is 260. __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers Last edited by JPhillips : 06-02-2015 at 09:12 AM.

06-02-2015, 09:18 AM	#707
ISiddiqui Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Decatur, GA	And Scherzer is even better than Greinke (barely) with an ERA+ of 255 (Shelby Miller leads the NL with a 260 ERA+). Scherzer's pitching WAR is at 3.1 (highest for all pitchers) and his FIP is 1.77. Seriously, that's your Cy Young so far. __________________ "A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams

06-02-2015, 09:37 AM	#710
JPhillips Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Newburgh, NY	The game has just dramatically changed from the steroid era and pitching stats that used to be signs of greatness are now simply signs of very goodness. There are around a half dozen pitchers with ERA+ above 250! __________________ To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers

06-02-2015, 08:41 AM	#701
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- last time I said it I realized I was being over the top, but he really is getting better with every start, the guy is electric every time he takse the mound. If Harvey had the last 6 outing deGrom did it would be all over and they would be talking Cy Young award already. FWIW I think deGrom wins the award this year to go with last years ROY.

06-02-2015, 08:43 AM	#703
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	double dola- l well admit Kuechel ( sp?) has been pretty amazing as well.

06-02-2015, 09:31 AM	#709
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	FWIW I said when he is on, I'm not saying he is the best currently, although I'm not so certain he isn't, especially since I don't hold much stock in baseball geek stats.

06-02-2015, 12:31 PM	#716
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Gerrit Cole is pretty good.

06-02-2015, 12:36 PM	#717
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	coughDallasKeuchelcough __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-02-2015, 09:32 PM	#725
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	When he goes through the same lineup 3 times and is still dominate I'll give him credit. Until then he's just a great reliever.

06-02-2015, 09:52 PM	#726
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Not a bad debut for Joey Gallo. 3 for 4 (single, double, HR), 4 RBI, 3 runs scored. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

06-02-2015, 10:12 PM	#729
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Yeah it tripped me out too and I had to drink in order to compensate

06-03-2015, 02:18 AM	#731
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I wasn't really reading my auto correct. My apologies to Internet spelling police. Kind of lowest common denominator stuff. Way to go.

06-03-2015, 02:40 AM	#732
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	When Chris Archer is on, there isn't a better pitcher in baseball. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

06-03-2015, 02:44 AM	#733
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	When Dellin Betances is on, it's like every day of the year.

06-03-2015, 03:10 AM	#735
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Probably going to take something like 3 more seasons after this one.

06-03-2015, 07:49 AM	#737
Izulde Head Coach Join Date: Sep 2004	__________________ 2006 Golden Scribe Nominee 2006 Golden Scribe Winner Best Non-Sport Dynasty: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty) Rookie Writer of the Year Dynasty of the Year: May Our Reign Be Green and Golden (CK Dynasty)

06-03-2015, 09:42 AM	#740
Mizzou B-ball fan General Manager Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kansas City, MO	Rough stretch for the Royals. Suddenly have had a power outage. Just not driving the ball right now. Didn't help that they botched the review that ultimately cost the winning run, but still got to score more than one run.

06-03-2015, 08:00 PM	#741
miami_fan Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Land O Lakes FL	Unwritten rules question: Junior Lake of the Cubs just hit a two run shot. He stood at home plate for a sec or two, tossed his bat, told the Marlins dugout to be quiet as he rounded third and touched off a bench clearing yelling match once he reached home plate. Replays have shown that a coach and a player both had a conversation with Lake. There also seems to be a great deal of respect for Joe Maddon. Does Lake get hit in his next at bat and if he does, where? __________________ "Do not be indifferent in the face of historical lies. Do not be indifferent when you see the past being exploited for the needs of contemporary politics. Do not be indifferent when any minority suffers discrimination. For it's the essence of democracy that the majority wields the power, but at the same time, the rights of the minority must be respected." Marian Turski- former prisoner of the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration and death camp

06-03-2015, 08:01 PM	#742
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Are the Royals involved at all?

06-03-2015, 08:07 PM	#743
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Clayton Kershaw, when he's on, is the best lefty this side of Koufax. He hasn't been on much this year

06-03-2015, 08:36 PM	#746
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Looks like Mark Beurhle has thrown for 200+ innings in 14 consecutive seasons. That's pretty impressive in today's game.

06-03-2015, 09:10 PM	#748
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Phillies made Mike Leake look absolutely DeGrom like tonight.

06-04-2015, 08:56 AM	#750
cartman Death Herald Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Le stelle la notte sono grandi e luminose nel cuore profondo del Texas	Joey Gallo came back to earth last night. He was 1 for 4 with 3 Ks. But the one hit was a home run. __________________ Thinkin' of a master plan 'Cuz ain't nuthin' but sweat inside my hand So I dig into my pocket, all my money is spent So I dig deeper but still comin' up with lint

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