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View Poll Results: If Trump Loses In November, What Do You Think Happens Next
Normal transition of power. He meets with Biden, stays until 1/20, comes to inauguration, etc. 5 5.56%
He doesn't fight the result, but resigns prior to the inauguration. 2 2.22%
He fights the result but gives up shortly before the inauguration (let's define "shortly" as "some time after the EC meets on 12/14") 30 33.33%
He fights the result all the way to January 20th. Has to be physically removed. 12 13.33%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up and resigns before the inauguration 6 6.67%
He fights the result for a short time, but gives up an then we have a normal transition as per option 1. 30 33.33%
Other. (You know you gotta specify this one.) 5 5.56%
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Old 03-30-2023, 10:21 PM   #7551
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Trump: Tiny D sucks and nobody should vote for him

DeSantis: I will do everything in my power to defend the great Donald J. Trump

I'm expecting it won't be long before DeSantis decides he has unfinished business in FL or needs to spend time with his young kids or something else that will explain away why he isn't running in 2024.
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Old 03-30-2023, 10:30 PM   #7552
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Trump: Tiny D sucks and nobody should vote for him

DeSantis: I will do everything in my power to defend the great Donald J. Trump

I'm expecting it won't be long before DeSantis decides he has unfinished business in FL or needs to spend time with his young kids or something else that will explain away why he isn't running in 2024.


But just in case, he repealed the Florida law today that states he has to give up his current office to run for any other office-and he did it today because the media would be talking about Trump.
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Old 03-30-2023, 11:18 PM   #7553
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"34 counts of falsification of business records" according to some talking head on CNN, which I am reading third-hand fwiw.

He paid Cohen back in installments. My guess is each payment is it's own crime.
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Old 03-30-2023, 11:46 PM   #7554
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Old 03-31-2023, 12:40 AM   #7555
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trump has said that his indictment is "an attack on this country, the likes of which has never been seen before"

There you have it. trump being indicted is bigger than Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Bigger than the sinking of the Lusitania. Bigger than literally anything, ever in the history of the country.

Not that we're feeling hyperbolic or anything. It's REAL.
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Old 03-31-2023, 06:34 AM   #7556
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But just in case, he repealed the Florida law today that states he has to give up his current office to run for any other office-and he did it today because the media would be talking about Trump.

Do you have a cite for that?
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:33 AM   #7557
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These MAGA idiots may have an actual argument for this case if they hadn't been chanting "lock her up" for 7 years.

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Old 03-31-2023, 07:48 AM   #7558
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Just stunning how many GOPers want to be rid of him but are still volunteering to dive onto the hand grenade to protect him.
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:49 AM   #7559
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It's not stunning anymore, actually.
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:52 AM   #7560
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I wonder how many would go back to the first impeachment and get rid of him when they had the chance?

I really is wild how he has destroyed the party. Go against him and lose your primary, go with him and lose the general. Other than through attrition I'm not sure how they get past that cycle.
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Old 03-31-2023, 07:58 AM   #7561
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Old 03-31-2023, 08:01 AM   #7562
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The GOP establishment knows how to get rid of politicians it actually wants to get rid of. See, e.g., Madison Cawthorn.

They like Trump. They agree with Trump. They want Trump in charge. If they didn't, he'd be out of the picture by now.

They just keep leaking to the media that they don't like him in order to try and keep moderate voters in their camp.

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Old 03-31-2023, 08:23 AM   #7563
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We live in a world where a former president and the leading candidate of one of the two major parties is referencing a twitter poll from someone named Catturd. And people wonder why we are a laughing stock. Oh, and the thing about the Central Park Five! WTF. He is totally unhinged

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Old 03-31-2023, 08:38 AM   #7564
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Lindsay Graham shamelessly shilling for trump literally begging people to send him money is something else.
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Old 03-31-2023, 08:43 AM   #7565
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The GOP establishment knows how to get rid of politicians it actually wants to get rid of. See, e.g., Madison Cawthorn.

They like Trump. They agree with Trump. They want Trump in charge. If they didn't, he'd be out of the picture by now.

They just keep leaking to the media that they don't like him in order to try and keep moderate voters in their camp.

I think there are plenty of GOPer electeds that would love to be rid of Trump, DeSantis chief among them, but they all worry that being even slightly anti-Trump is a Cheney-like death sentence for their political careers.

None of them, though, can take over until they are rid of Trump.
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Old 03-31-2023, 09:06 AM   #7566
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I think the reasoning has changed a bit, though. At first, I think they were scared he had so much influence over most of the party that to cross him meant certain political death from blowback. Now, I think the calculus is more likely that he still holds enough sway with a certain number of voters that they are afraid those voters won't turn out at all if they go against Trump. Most of the party is fine with someone else, but you've got this diehard Trump group who just won't show up to vote if you're a "trader."
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Old 03-31-2023, 09:09 AM   #7567
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Speaking of Trumpers, I see that Lauren Boebert has said she's not going to "nitpick" the Bible about right and wrong after her 17 year old son got his GF pregnant. Funny how that works.
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Old 03-31-2023, 09:28 AM   #7568
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I think the reasoning has changed a bit, though. At first, I think they were scared he had so much influence over most of the party that to cross him meant certain political death from blowback. Now, I think the calculus is more likely that he still holds enough sway with a certain number of voters that they are afraid those voters won't turn out at all if they go against Trump. Most of the party is fine with someone else, but you've got this diehard Trump group who just won't show up to vote if you're a "trader."

I think it’s both. It will be interesting to see what happens if the nominee isn’t Trump.
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Old 03-31-2023, 10:14 AM   #7569
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Speaking of Trumpers, I see that Lauren Boebert has said she's not going to "nitpick" the Bible about right and wrong after her 17 year old son got his GF pregnant. Funny how that works.

If you've got some GOP news you want no one to see, these are the two weeks to get it out there.

Speaking of which...

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Old 03-31-2023, 10:18 AM   #7570
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Do you have a cite for that?

Looks like they haven't passed it but they're drafting it. And with his majority in Florida, it'll pass.

https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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Old 03-31-2023, 11:55 AM   #7571
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Do you have a cite for that?


I do not, saw some Florida based reporters? talking about in on Twitter
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The GOP establishment knows how to get rid of politicians it actually wants to get rid of. See, e.g., Madison Cawthorn.

They like Trump. They agree with Trump. They want Trump in charge. If they didn't, he'd be out of the picture by now.

They just keep leaking to the media that they don't like him in order to try and keep moderate voters in their camp.


Speaking of Cawthorn-I saw a tweet from him and guess where he's bought a home? Florida, so he no doubt claim residency there instead of NC when he tries to run for office again I'm sure
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Old 03-31-2023, 12:20 PM   #7573
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Old 03-31-2023, 01:19 PM   #7574
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I would like to see a profile of the voter that wasn't going to vote for Trump in the general election but will now because he is soon to be indicted.
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Old 03-31-2023, 01:24 PM   #7575
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I would like to see a profile of the voter that wasn't going to vote for Trump in the general election but will now because he is soon to be indicted.

Is there a block out there that will be convinced maybe he is being persecuted and be sympathetic to him?
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Is there a block out there that will be convinced maybe he is being persecuted and be sympathetic to him?

Yeah it's called MAGA

This doesn't help him. It just gets his base riled up enough to send him more money.
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This dumb fuck is now attacking the judge on his social media platform. I swear he really is his own worse enemy.
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Old 03-31-2023, 01:46 PM   #7578
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I would like to see a profile of the voter that wasn't going to vote for Trump in the general election but will now because he is soon to be indicted.

I think the profile is more of "voter who would sit out 2024 vs one who won't if they think they could keep their savior out of jail".

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Old 03-31-2023, 02:37 PM   #7580
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I'm impressed DeSantis went straight to anti-Semitism in defending Trump since there's a sizeable Jewish population in Florida.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:43 PM   #7581
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Looks like they haven't passed it but they're drafting it. And with his majority in Florida, it'll pass.

https://twitter.com/GeoRebekah/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw

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I was wondering why he hadn't announced. This explains it.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:44 PM   #7582
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I think the profile is more of "voter who would sit out 2024 vs one who won't if they think they could keep their savior out of jail".

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That is exactly it. And there are still low-interest voters that need a reason to show. They may not have just to beat Biden, but they will to save Orange Jesus.
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Old 03-31-2023, 02:58 PM   #7583
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See, I don't think there's much of anybody that wouldn't have voted Trump in 2024 that now will. The voter that is motivated by indictments is a voter already clearly in the MAGA box.

Now I get how this helps him in the primary, but felony indictment isn't a positive for the general.
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And it's not like very many stayed home in 2020. They had massive turnout.
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Old 03-31-2023, 04:17 PM   #7585
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Don't have a link yet but the judge in the Dominion vs Fox case basically threw out everything Fox wanted, sided with Dominion on Fox pushing false election results, and sent the "malice" part to Trial.
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Old 03-31-2023, 04:48 PM   #7586
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It is a 130 page order, so there is a huge amount there. Looks like your summary is the gist. Fox did knowingly lie, now whether it was malice or not is all that is left to adjudicate.

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Old 03-31-2023, 09:14 PM   #7587
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Looking forward to hearing key Fox personalities testify (and squirm under oath). The lawsuit is for $1.6B in damages. Fox 2022 net income was $1.5B.

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In recent court filings, Fox’s attorneys argued that the network wasn’t endorsing the claims leveled by Trump and allies like Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, but was simply conveying newsworthy statements being issued by important public figures. The judge rejected those arguments.

“Fox dedicates little to its argument on falsity. It claims that ‘[t]he question is whether the press reported the “true” fact that the President made those allegations,’” Davis wrote. “However, falsity refers to the content of the statement, not the act of republishing it. Therefore, the question of falsity is whether the content of the allegations was true, not whether Fox truthfully republished the allegations.”

Davis also said Fox’s reports and interviews often aired the claims without rebuttal or context, further undercutting the network’s arguments.
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Looking forward to hearing key Fox personalities testify (and squirm under oath). The lawsuit is for $1.6B in damages. Fox 2022 net income was $1.5B.

Judge sends Dominion lawsuit against Fox News to trial - POLITICO

I don't know shit about such law but I read it suggested by some rando that this lawsuit could also lead to punitive damages that could potentially multiply that judgment.
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Old 03-31-2023, 09:30 PM   #7589
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That would be great.

My guess is Fox will be found guilty. I'm just not sure Dominion could show (or the jury would award) $1.6B in damages.

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Old 04-01-2023, 07:55 PM   #7590
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Get some of those dot com bros who convince VCs to give them hundreds of millions of dollars to gin up what Dominion could have made, and they could be looking at 12 figures in damages.
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Old 04-02-2023, 12:53 PM   #7591
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They aren't even trying to hide it anymore

Just a moment...
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Old 04-02-2023, 01:54 PM   #7592
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They aren't even trying to hide it anymore

Just a moment...

No, they are not. But I do think that they've saved the least popular of their stuff for the Trump Indictment so that it sucks up all the political news oxygen.
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Old 04-03-2023, 10:42 AM   #7593
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WaPo reporting that AFTER Trump received his subpoena he was seen on video going through the boxes of classified docs separating things out.
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Old 04-03-2023, 11:05 AM   #7594
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Dola- apparently secret service agents are set to testify Friday in the docs case. Many of them are still loyal to Trump so not sure how that will go.
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Old 04-03-2023, 01:12 PM   #7595
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It won't happen, and it would be silly of him to do it.

But if Trump snuck into Russia right now for asylum, would that be the biggest political story in American history?
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It won't happen, and it would be silly of him to do it.

But if Trump snuck into Russia right now for asylum, would that be the biggest political story in American history?

I agree, not gonna happen. But the documents case is pretty serious. Even Barr seems to think he's likely fucked on that one.

I can't imagine the hell his defense attorneys go through. Hannity threw him a softball question to lead Trump into defending himself and instead of taking it he admitted to the crime. Putting him on the stand to defend himself is completely off the table.
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Dola

His best defense in the documents case, after Pence and Biden had documents, was going go be that it's wrong but not outside the norm.

Trump is doing everything in his power to destroy that defense. He's doubled down on him having every right to those documents and admitted to Hannity that he purposely took them.

If they have video and testimony that he went through the documents after the subpoena to separate and hide what he wanted to keep then he has no defense other than trying to frame the Presidential Records Act as something that it is clearly not.
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Old 04-03-2023, 03:03 PM   #7598
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Him having the documents isn't the story. It is him refusing to give them back. That is the difference between the Trump case and Biden/Pence. However his cult followers won't see it that way.

They will truly defend him no matter how obvious it is he committed the crime.
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Old 04-03-2023, 03:09 PM   #7599
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dola- I still stand by the statement that nothing will happen to him. By the time any of these cases could actually go to trial he will likely be the party nominee for President and nothing will happen to him. I get the need for accuracy but at some point you also have to realize you're up against a clock. I don't get what is taking so long in Georgie especially. He said what he said, hasn't denied it. So either charge him or don't.
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Old 04-03-2023, 03:38 PM   #7600
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I still don't think Garland has the balls to charge him for anything.
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