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Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:35 AM

If KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one, why isn't AE dead? Why don't we have two night kills? Unless there is something in the rules that allow the replicants to kill first, wouldn't AE be dead as well?

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Seems like you gaining the actual identity of the person who scanned you would give us a great advantage in building a CoT. If that person is still alive, then you + the person they scanned last night would know their identity and be able to vote with them. If I am wrong about KWhit being a Blade Runner, then that could potentially give us a block of six people in a CoT (the two Blade Runners and the four people they have scanned).

I'm not sure what to do with that info exactly, but it seems like we could break the game open by cutting down our suspect list by about half and having a very solid voting block. Thoughts?

I think that's a definite possibility, although it may be a bit early to start naming names.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

This just got very interesting.

Telle, who was the character that scanned you and what did you leaern?

Didn't really learn anything.. he just did the test and verified that I was human.

I would like a general consensus from the group before outing a Blade Runner though.. for all I know Swaggs is a replicant hoping that I'll just toss out the name because I was asked.

Barkeep49 · 07-19-2007, 10:37 AM

I'm glad this looks to be shaping up to an exciting day. I like exciting days on daysd when I'm around for most of it

Poli · 07-19-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I don't blame you one bit, other than the fact that you didn't make any kind of move on me yesterday. I suspect it is because you know I am not one of the power roles (like one of the Blade Runners or the bodyguard).

Which is to say, I still haven't read what you posted. In fact, I haven't read any post before when I started posting...sometime yesterday. Well, not true. I think I hit a few highlights where I see my name mentioned, but I certainly haven't read the rules or posts collectively.

Why didn't I make a move on you? Because I didn't think I needed to.

Poli · 07-19-2007, 10:38 AM

Correction: I didn't know I had to.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

If KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one, why isn't AE dead? Why don't we have two night kills? Unless there is something in the rules that allow the replicants to kill first, wouldn't AE be dead as well?

I thought of that at first too.. and I believe the rules state that night actions happen simutaneously. So my guess was that KWhit was Holden, not Deckard, and he tried to kill AE but missed.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

If KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one, why isn't AE dead? Why don't we have two night kills? Unless there is something in the rules that allow the replicants to kill first, wouldn't AE be dead as well?

From Deckard's info, I get the impression he can either test or kill, but not both in the same night. I guess a lot depends on the order of operations for night actions here, but he may have only had one night action.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

Ok, lets think about the testing ability the Blade Runners have for a second.

its an intensive, 1 on 1 sit down session that can take HOURS (based on the movie and storyline) So it makes very much sense that a person being give such a test learns not only the player's name but the role as well during such an ordeal.

however the replicants have a semi-scanning ability that is more akin to simple researching on WHO someone is, like runnning an ID check on someone. not intensive, simply enough to learn a role. This I believe would NOT give away as much information about the person doing the scanning.

I think the person that scanned Cronin is a Blade runner and the one who scanned telle is a replicant.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Didn't really learn anything.. he just did the test and verified that I was human.

I would like a general consensus from the group before outing a Blade Runner though.. for all I know Swaggs is a replicant hoping that I'll just toss out the name because I was asked.

I definitely do not want you to say the player's name.

I was just wondering if it told you whether it was Holden or Deckard.

Poli · 07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I don't see any flaws in what Swaggs has suggested.

Vote AE

Other than he's wrong, I don't either.

VOTE Swaggs

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

If KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one, why isn't AE dead? Why don't we have two night kills? Unless there is something in the rules that allow the replicants to kill first, wouldn't AE be dead as well?

This is a good point. I know I was scanned by Holden night 1. Deckard is the one who is "good with a gun", so that blows that theory up.

unvote Ardent Enthusiast

Telle, do not under any circumstances name the player who scanned you. I mean, obviously we know it wasn't me, and I guess it wasn't KWhit.

My guess is Deckard and Holden are both still in the game.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

From Deckard's info, I get the impression he can either test or kill, but not both in the same night. I guess a lot depends on the order of operations for night actions here, but he may have only had one night action.

No, my point is that if KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one and found him to be a replicant, he would have killed him on night two. AE's still alive. And while it's possible that the replicants killed him before he could kill AE, I don't buy it. Deckard is one bad mofo and I think he would have gotten his kill in first.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I think the person that scanned Cronin is a Blade runner and the one who scanned telle is a replicant.

I wasn't just scanned. A person came to my home, and performed a bunch of tests (moral and linquistic) and had some sort of contraption that checked my pupils during it all. And it was specifically stated that this was the Voight-Kampff test.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 10:42 AM

Well Telle wiped out the need for my post while I typed it. I rescind my previous post based on that.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I definitely do not want you to say the player's name.

I was just wondering if it told you whether it was Holden or Deckard.

Ok, I misread what you said. The PM did not specify if it was Holden or Deckard.. it only used the player's name. And that is why I think St. Cronin is a replicant that messed up when trying to imitate a human!

Barkeep49 · 07-19-2007, 10:44 AM

I think Telle is very clear that she was not scanned by a replicant.

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think Telle is very clear that she was not scanned by a replicant.

I agree. I assume she was scanned by Deckard.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 10:46 AM

Ok, based on Telle's info I am a bit skeptical of Cronin. Had he been scanned the same way he would have been just as specific.

Secondly, If he IS a replicant, then his adamant witch-hunt for my head in this game makes far more sense, as he knows I am human and is simply trying to eliminate another of us.

VOTE ST CRONIN

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Ok, I misread what you said. The PM did not specify if it was Holden or Deckard.. it only used the player's name. And that is why I think St. Cronin is a replicant that messed up when trying to imitate a human!

I don't cronin is a replicant. How would he know that by being scanned he would learn who scanned him?

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't cronin is a replicant. How would he know that by being scanned he would learn who scanned him?

Ugh. That should read:

I don't believe cronin is a replicant.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:48 AM

Just so we are perfectly clear:

st.cronin is saying he was scanned and learned that it was by Holden and that he learned the player's ID.

Telle is saying that she was scanned and did not learn which Blade Runner did it, but did learn the player's ID.

Is that right?

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't cronin is a replicant. How would he know that by being scanned he would learn who scanned him?

Exactly.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't cronin is a replicant. How would he know that by being scanned he would learn who scanned him?

He wouldn't.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:50 AM

This is a very weird game. I go from defending AE, to defending cronin. Now all I need to complete this bizarre turn of defending players I normally go after is for ntn to step up.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:50 AM

I'd like to wait and hear from anyone else who has been scanned before choosing between Telle or st.cronin. There should be at least one, and possibly two, other players that have been scanned by Blade Runners (unless we have absolutely horrendous luck).

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Just so we are perfectly clear:

st.cronin is saying he was scanned and learned that it was by Holden and that he learned the player's ID.

Telle is saying that she was scanned and did not learn which Blade Runner did it, but did learn the player's ID.

Is that right?

Yes. Also note that I was first. I believe Telle, but I ascribe the difference to the difference between Holden and Deckard. As JE points out, there's nothing in the rules about players scanned learning anything, or even knowing they were scanned. If you think I'm a replicant, you must assume that I was scanned by somebody, and will be outed.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I don't cronin is a replicant. How would he know that by being scanned he would learn who scanned him?

He made an assumption. Only problem is that he assumed he'd learn both the player AND the character.. and from my experience you only learn the character!

Now, theoretically Tanglewood could have just done the PMs differently.. but I would seriously hope that's not the case 'cause that would be some pretty bad GM play on his part.

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

I'd like to wait and hear from anyone else who has been scanned before choosing between Telle or st.cronin. There should be at least one, and possibly two, other players that have been scanned by Blade Runners (unless we have absolutely horrendous luck).

Why do we have to choose? To me it makes more sense to trust us both.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:52 AM

Telle, any elaboration on the part where you said that st.cronin and you have the same dreams?

ntndeacon · 07-19-2007, 10:52 AM

I think that would be an easy assumption to make that you would get thier Role. In fact if I had been scanned I might think that I would have seen thier role only.

Jonathan Ezarik · 07-19-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

He made an assumption. Only problem is that he assumed he'd learn both the player AND the character.. and from my experience you only learn the character!

Now, theoretically Tanglewood could have just done the PMs differently.. but I would seriously hope that's not the case 'cause that would be some pretty bad GM play on his part.

I think cronin's knowledge of Holden comes about because Holden is the less experienced Runner. Deckard is too good to let his true name/identity slip out while running the test.

Poli · 07-19-2007, 10:54 AM

The test. I forgot about that part of the movie/game. That rocked. I need to find a copy of the game again.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

Why do we have to choose? To me it makes more sense to trust us both.

Honestly, I cannot exactly wrap my head around the game dynamics enough to get a good read on this, but it seems like giving the scanned player the role AND player name would be a pretty big wrinkle in game play, so I'm not sure I believe you.

I'd like to hear from some other players to see if they corroborate with one or both of you.

Alan T · 07-19-2007, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Telle, any elaboration on the part where you said that st.cronin and you have the same dreams?

I brought it up a few times, but others just glossed over it and said it wasnt much of anything. Cronin stated he had a vivid sex dream that Tangle left the details out of.. Telle came out later and said that sounded exactly like her pm.

Everyone has been so fixated on AE vs Swaggs, that they ignored the other case that seemed just like it.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I don't have any memory of my dream, other than that it was a sex dream - tangle left all details out.

To paraphase.. my PM was that I woke up after dreaming of sex. That was it.. no details about the dream itself.

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:55 AM

I'll leave people to draw their own conclusions, but I would encourage people to start their COT around me and Telle. I believe Telle was scanned by Deckard.

Alan T · 07-19-2007, 10:57 AM

I wonder if a human that gets scanned will be told the player name (to help form a COT since that is obviously our only method to do so), and androids that are scanned are only told the character and not the player name, so they don't have an easy night kill..
Then Cronin knowing he has been scanned as an android and outed, comes out first in a way that Holden would have to out himself in order to condemn him, ie 1 for 1 swap.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 10:57 AM

Ok there has to be somebody else here who was scanned.. please step up and tell us what your experience was! Did you learn the player name or the role or both??

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I'll leave people to draw their own conclusions, but I would encourage people to start their COT around me and Telle. I believe Telle was scanned by Deckard.

Who did you vote for yesterday?

Alan T · 07-19-2007, 10:57 AM

Dola, and if my guess about cronin is correct, then it would also go to supporting the duplicate dream = 1 good and 1 bad person idea that has been floating about with AE vs Swaggs too.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Dola, and if my guess about cronin is correct, then it would also go to supporting the duplicate dream = 1 good and 1 bad person idea that has been floating about with AE vs Swaggs too.

Perhaps we can learn a bit by who voted for who yesterday from this.

Poli · 07-19-2007, 10:59 AM

This game just made the weirdest turn.

st.cronin · 07-19-2007, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Swaggs

Who did you vote for yesterday?

I have voted for bulletsponge on both days, iirc.

Telle · 07-19-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by st.cronin

I have voted for bulletsponge on both days, iirc.

LMAO.. so did I! Guess that tells us nothing

Poli · 07-19-2007, 11:00 AM

Unvote swaggs

I need to sort this out.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 11:02 AM

Telle, you've sent mixed up signals here, please clarify, you elarned the ROLE the player has when they scanned you OR you learned the players name?

You flip flopped on that in a couple posts.

Swaggs · 07-19-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Telle

LMAO.. so did I! Guess that tells us nothing

Well, it tells us that, if st.cronin is telling the truth, bulletsponge was likely not one of the Blade Runners and that, at least, one of them is still with us.

st.cronin also voted for AE today, before pulling back, so that tells me (again, if he is to be trusted) that AE is not one of the Blade Runners.

Barkeep49 · 07-19-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

I wonder if a human that gets scanned will be told the player name (to help form a COT since that is obviously our only method to do so), and androids that are scanned are only told the character and not the player name, so they don't have an easy night kill..
Then Cronin knowing he has been scanned as an android and outed, comes out first in a way that Holden would have to out himself in order to condemn him, ie 1 for 1 swap.

But how would cronin have known that telle would be told the player name? I'm very inclined to form our COT around those two people as well.

RendeR · 07-19-2007, 11:04 AM

It makes sense that during a true scan that the ROLE that scanned you would be given and NOT the players identity.

I simply cannot fathom a good reason that BOTH pieces of information would be given out in a game where ROLES ARE NOT REVEALED.

My vote on Cronin stands, he's lying.

07-19-2007, 10:38 AM	#756
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Correction: I didn't know I had to. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2007, 10:40 AM	#759
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Ok, lets think about the testing ability the Blade Runners have for a second. its an intensive, 1 on 1 sit down session that can take HOURS (based on the movie and storyline) So it makes very much sense that a person being give such a test learns not only the player's name but the role as well during such an ordeal. however the replicants have a semi-scanning ability that is more akin to simple researching on WHO someone is, like runnning an ID check on someone. not intensive, simply enough to learn a role. This I believe would NOT give away as much information about the person doing the scanning. I think the person that scanned Cronin is a Blade runner and the one who scanned telle is a replicant. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-19-2007, 10:42 AM	#765
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Well Telle wiped out the need for my post while I typed it. I rescind my previous post based on that. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-19-2007, 10:46 AM	#769
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Ok, based on Telle's info I am a bit skeptical of Cronin. Had he been scanned the same way he would have been just as specific. Secondly, If he IS a replicant, then his adamant witch-hunt for my head in this game makes far more sense, as he knows I am human and is simply trying to eliminate another of us. VOTE ST CRONIN __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-19-2007, 10:48 AM	#772
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Just so we are perfectly clear: st.cronin is saying he was scanned and learned that it was by Holden and that he learned the player's ID. Telle is saying that she was scanned and did not learn which Blade Runner did it, but did learn the player's ID. Is that right? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-19-2007, 10:35 AM	#751
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	If KWhit was Deckard and he scanned AE on night one, why isn't AE dead? Why don't we have two night kills? Unless there is something in the rules that allow the replicants to kill first, wouldn't AE be dead as well?

07-19-2007, 10:37 AM	#754
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm glad this looks to be shaping up to an exciting day. I like exciting days on daysd when I'm around for most of it

07-19-2007, 10:44 AM	#767
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think Telle is very clear that she was not scanned by a replicant.

07-19-2007, 10:50 AM	#775
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	This is a very weird game. I go from defending AE, to defending cronin. Now all I need to complete this bizarre turn of defending players I normally go after is for ntn to step up.

07-19-2007, 10:50 AM	#776
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	I'd like to wait and hear from anyone else who has been scanned before choosing between Telle or st.cronin. There should be at least one, and possibly two, other players that have been scanned by Blade Runners (unless we have absolutely horrendous luck). __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-19-2007, 10:52 AM	#780
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Telle, any elaboration on the part where you said that st.cronin and you have the same dreams? __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

07-19-2007, 10:52 AM	#781
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I think that would be an easy assumption to make that you would get thier Role. In fact if I had been scanned I might think that I would have seen thier role only.

07-19-2007, 10:54 AM	#783
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	The test. I forgot about that part of the movie/game. That rocked. I need to find a copy of the game again. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2007, 10:55 AM	#787
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	I'll leave people to draw their own conclusions, but I would encourage people to start their COT around me and Telle. I believe Telle was scanned by Deckard. __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

07-19-2007, 10:57 AM	#788
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	I wonder if a human that gets scanned will be told the player name (to help form a COT since that is obviously our only method to do so), and androids that are scanned are only told the character and not the player name, so they don't have an easy night kill.. Then Cronin knowing he has been scanned as an android and outed, comes out first in a way that Holden would have to out himself in order to condemn him, ie 1 for 1 swap.

07-19-2007, 10:57 AM	#789
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Ok there has to be somebody else here who was scanned.. please step up and tell us what your experience was! Did you learn the player name or the role or both??

07-19-2007, 10:57 AM	#791
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Dola, and if my guess about cronin is correct, then it would also go to supporting the duplicate dream = 1 good and 1 bad person idea that has been floating about with AE vs Swaggs too.

07-19-2007, 10:59 AM	#793
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	This game just made the weirdest turn. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2007, 11:00 AM	#796
Poli FOFC Survivor Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Wentzville, MO	Unvote swaggs I need to sort this out. __________________ Cheer for a walk on quarterback! Ardent leads the Vols in the dynasty forum.

07-19-2007, 11:02 AM	#797
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Telle, you've sent mixed up signals here, please clarify, you elarned the ROLE the player has when they scanned you OR you learned the players name? You flip flopped on that in a couple posts. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

07-19-2007, 11:04 AM	#800
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	It makes sense that during a true scan that the ROLE that scanned you would be given and NOT the players identity. I simply cannot fathom a good reason that BOTH pieces of information would be given out in a game where ROLES ARE NOT REVEALED. My vote on Cronin stands, he's lying. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

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