Survivor: New Howard Tribal Thread (Tribal Council Due 10 PM Sunday) - Page 16

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:22 AM

Do we want FB? I'm finding scant info so far.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 11:23 AM

There's a three day demo you could mess around with some. And there's a couple strategy threads around that we could look up.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:24 AM

I guess I'm more worried about finding the history of the series. When did it come out, how many versions have there been, reviews of the series, etc.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 11:24 AM

Of course, if there's another sim not mentioned we can try and switch to that -- but our most experience is FM, so that doesn't help. I've played Puresim, and dabbled a little bit with BBCF.

Marathoner · 02-09-2007, 11:25 AM

I don't know much about FB or MF, but from the sounds of things MF seems terrible, it might be easier to write an article about, one with strong opinions.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:29 AM

The problem with MF is how to be objective with something that is so horrible (and I speak from hearsay; I don't own the game).

path12 · 02-09-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I guess I'm more worried about finding the history of the series. When did it come out, how many versions have there been, reviews of the series, etc.

I'll check the website and see what shows up there. From what I remember all the updates are listed on the front so that gives us an idea of versions. There was a thread on FOFC where the designer was talking about working on a new version, we could use that. I don't remember the forums there having a lot of information, but there could be some FAQ's or something that might give us something to work with.

I'm with you though about MF. I have no idea what to say about that.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 11:32 AM

I guess if it comes down to it, we can e-mail the designer of FB and ask him questions for stuff we can't find. I'm sure he would want the series to have an accurate page on wikipedia.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I guess if it comes down to it, we can e-mail the designer of FB and ask him questions for stuff we can't find. I'm sure he would want the series to have an accurate page on wikipedia.

Actually, I wonder if this would be a violation of the rules. I would like to get a ruling from Barkeep before we announce we are taking this topic. Everyone else has already chosen, so it's not like we have to rush or anything.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:05 PM

Good idea. I won't be able to do much until later anyway.

Any thoughts what the RA shocker might have been? Could he have been the seer? Bodyguard? Wolf?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:11 PM

I have no idea what the shocker is. If he claimed to be a wolf, I think Oz would have told us that. Maybe he said he was the seer, but why would he do that? I'm thinking it's probably a ploy by the members of Oz to make us think that RA was something when he really wasn't. Their thinking might be that if the wolves think the seer is out of play, they'll leave Oz alone.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:13 PM

Could be. I'm just having trouble seeing the value in bluffing right now. It's not like there have been any night kills or anything like that.

I'm actually wondering if the wolves can't kill until the tribes are merged.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:17 PM

I'm starting to think that the bad thing that happened to Swaggs is that he's now a wolf. His attempt yesterday to convince his team that he could be helpful came across as trying to avoid being voted off by his team. And from what I can see, it looks like he helped in pushing the vote towards Blade, which I think really hurts their team.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:18 PM

Yeah, I think their goal is survival and sabotage until the merge.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I'm actually wondering if the wolves can't kill until the tribes are merged.

I've thought this, too. Why haven't there been any night kills yet? Especially an Oz kill.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:20 PM

I think you should be completely up front with our theory in the main thread, path. What harm can it cause?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I think you should be completely up front with our theory in the main thread, path. What harm can it cause?

I think I'm just grouchy right now. I really am finding the whole Howard and Lupus should go away shit really annoying.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

I think I'm just grouchy right now. I really am finding the whole Howard and Lupus should go away shit really annoying.

Me too.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 02:43 PM

JE, sorry for bailing earlier. That leverage comment put me over the edge.

So we've got a wolf. I definitely have a hunch who, but it's probably not best to put out in the open yet.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 02:53 PM

so what is this challenge? talking about a text sim? are they trying to get rid of us?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

so what is this challenge? talking about a text sim? are they trying to get rid of us?

We have to do a wiki page on a sim. The choices we have are MF and Fast Break.......or any other except FM/CM and EHM. FOF, OOTP and text sims in general have already been taken. Problem is that JE and I are FM players mostly, and Marathoner FOF.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 04:01 PM

I am not a big text game player either. how about BBCF?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 04:08 PM

I've never played BBCF, but the topic has to be either MF or the FB series.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

I've never played BBCF, but the topic has to be either MF or the FB series.

why does it have to be those 2 only ? I thought any other but FM and EHM

Barkeep49 · 02-09-2007, 04:16 PM

I have flexibility. BBCF or Puresim would work

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 04:20 PM

well I will be on the road til much later. and wont be near my BBCF game this weekend but Ido play that in the big FOFC league

path12 · 02-09-2007, 04:23 PM

The thing I kind of like about Fast Break is that it's a one guy operation with just the Fast Break games. I wonder if we do BBCF if we have to go into mentioning other games from Grey Dog.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 04:26 PM

Isn't Fast Break put out by Grey Dog now?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Isn't Fast Break put out by Grey Dog now?

The website I got it from didn't say anything about Grey Dog. But now that you mention it, I think he is working with them now on the new versions.

I guess that may not matter anyway. The page would be on BBCF or Fast Break or whatever, not on Grey Dog. So if we want to go BBCF that's fine with me.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 04:39 PM

I can't find a wikipedia page for BBCF, either. For whatever that's worth.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 04:40 PM

Do you have any experience with BBCF, path? Or Marathoner?

path12 · 02-09-2007, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Do you have any experience with BBCF, path? Or Marathoner?

I played the demo for about an hour. That's it. Are you cool with my discussion in main thread?

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 04:57 PM

I have no problem with the discussion. The more info out there the better, I say.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 05:28 PM

Are we going to do BBCF or FB? I'd like to get the demo and play around for a bit just to see what the game is like.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 05:39 PM

Are you more of a football or basketball fan? Make the call based on which you'd rather play -- we don't want you to load a demo you're gonna hate.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 05:40 PM

Dola, to clarify, college football. You can go with either pro or college with Fast Break.

path12 · 02-09-2007, 05:40 PM

I would refire up the BBCF demo but it's timed out on my computer now and I don't really plan to buy it.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 05:49 PM

I'm more of a football fan, but I don't know how much that matters. I wasn't a big soccer fan when I first started playing Championship Manager back in the day, but now I'm a huge fan of the sport.

I'll download the BBCF demo and see what it's like.

Jonathan Ezarik · 02-09-2007, 06:33 PM

Well, I've tried about five times to get the BBCF demo loaded but it keeps freezing up on me.

Marathoner · 02-09-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Do you have any experience with BBCF, path? Or Marathoner?

No, sorry guys I'll do what I can to help tomorrow, but I won't be around much, looking at houses irl

path12 · 02-09-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Well, I've tried about five times to get the BBCF demo loaded but it keeps freezing up on me.

You might want to give FBCB a shot then. I'm not really a basketball fan except during the tourney, but I'm finding it pretty intuitive and well paced. I've been having the AI help me out with depth charts and game strategy and haven't done too badly.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 10:37 PM

and by the way path I have no trouble with our info out there either.

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 10:39 PM

I am sorry I wont be near my computer a lot this weekend as I am visiting the folks and spending tomorrow working away from the computer

ntndeacon · 02-09-2007, 11:03 PM

I also have no problem of my suggestion to alter your proposed bids being made public. If ihear from y'all tonight Iwill say something if not it will be late tomorrow before Ican get back on. remember my suggestion was not the lowest 3 but the 2 lowest and a third that was one buck higher. I don't know if that matters or not. It seemed that the main reason we lost is we went a middle way. either your idea of only a few bids of high value or my original idea of $2 everywhere but lowest that had $1 dollar would have kept us out of the dog house.

path12 · 02-10-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I also have no problem of my suggestion to alter your proposed bids being made public. If ihear from y'all tonight Iwill say something if not it will be late tomorrow before Ican get back on. remember my suggestion was not the lowest 3 but the 2 lowest and a third that was one buck higher. I don't know if that matters or not. It seemed that the main reason we lost is we went a middle way. either your idea of only a few bids of high value or my original idea of $2 everywhere but lowest that had $1 dollar would have kept us out of the dog house.

I hear you and I don't want you to think I'm throwing you under the bus. I'm just trying to get as much of the info out there as we can because I think with some of the information Helsing has we might be able to flush out one either on our team or theirs.

And my day has really gotten crazy. I'm not likely to be here much today but will be where I can. Tomorrow should be better.

ntndeacon · 02-11-2007, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by path12

I hear you and I don't want you to think I'm throwing you under the bus. I'm just trying to get as much of the info out there as we can because I think with some of the information Helsing has we might be able to flush out one either on our team or theirs.

And my day has really gotten crazy. I'm not likely to be here much today but will be where I can. Tomorrow should be better.

I didn't really think you were calling me out. Well not too much at least. (always a hint of doubt) I think on some level I have thought I had been targeted...which is my very paranoid reason for voting for Marathoner the first day. (thought his non playing early would have an effect and woulds counter a vote on me. Of course after I turned in my bid he came on and has been a big boon to Howard.)

hoopsguy · 02-11-2007, 08:01 AM

As a reminder, tribal council votes are due one hour from now.

Many of you seem to be looking closely at the previous challenge, and the possibility of "bid fixing" as a component of who to vote for today. Just how big of a factor is this in your vote? The biggest factor, a non-factor, or somewhere in between?

Whether this is posted before the deadline is up or after, I'm sure our viewers will be interested in why you cast your votes the way you did. There is quite a bit of intrigue about which way this vote will go.

Barkeep49 · 02-11-2007, 09:22 AM

I also need to know which page to send the judges to.

path12 · 02-11-2007, 01:35 PM

Crap, I thought it was 10PM. Sending my vote now.

path12 · 02-11-2007, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

As a reminder, tribal council votes are due one hour from now.

Many of you seem to be looking closely at the previous challenge, and the possibility of "bid fixing" as a component of who to vote for today. Just how big of a factor is this in your vote? The biggest factor, a non-factor, or somewhere in between?

Whether this is posted before the deadline is up or after, I'm sure our viewers will be interested in why you cast your votes the way you did. There is quite a bit of intrigue about which way this vote will go.

I think that right at this moment I'd rather answer this question after the vote.

02-09-2007, 11:23 AM	#752
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	There's a three day demo you could mess around with some. And there's a couple strategy threads around that we could look up. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 11:24 AM	#754
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Of course, if there's another sim not mentioned we can try and switch to that -- but our most experience is FM, so that doesn't help. I've played Puresim, and dabbled a little bit with BBCF. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:05 PM	#760
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Good idea. I won't be able to do much until later anyway. Any thoughts what the RA shocker might have been? Could he have been the seer? Bodyguard? Wolf? __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:13 PM	#762
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Could be. I'm just having trouble seeing the value in bluffing right now. It's not like there have been any night kills or anything like that. I'm actually wondering if the wolves can't kill until the tribes are merged. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 12:18 PM	#764
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Yeah, I think their goal is survival and sabotage until the merge. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 11:22 AM	#751
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Do we want FB? I'm finding scant info so far.

02-09-2007, 11:24 AM	#753
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I guess I'm more worried about finding the history of the series. When did it come out, how many versions have there been, reviews of the series, etc.

02-09-2007, 11:25 AM	#755
Marathoner High School JV Join Date: Nov 2005	I don't know much about FB or MF, but from the sounds of things MF seems terrible, it might be easier to write an article about, one with strong opinions.

02-09-2007, 11:29 AM	#756
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	The problem with MF is how to be objective with something that is so horrible (and I speak from hearsay; I don't own the game).

02-09-2007, 11:32 AM	#758
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I guess if it comes down to it, we can e-mail the designer of FB and ask him questions for stuff we can't find. I'm sure he would want the series to have an accurate page on wikipedia.

02-09-2007, 12:11 PM	#761
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I have no idea what the shocker is. If he claimed to be a wolf, I think Oz would have told us that. Maybe he said he was the seer, but why would he do that? I'm thinking it's probably a ploy by the members of Oz to make us think that RA was something when he really wasn't. Their thinking might be that if the wolves think the seer is out of play, they'll leave Oz alone.

02-09-2007, 12:17 PM	#763
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'm starting to think that the bad thing that happened to Swaggs is that he's now a wolf. His attempt yesterday to convince his team that he could be helpful came across as trying to avoid being voted off by his team. And from what I can see, it looks like he helped in pushing the vote towards Blade, which I think really hurts their team.

02-09-2007, 12:20 PM	#766
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I think you should be completely up front with our theory in the main thread, path. What harm can it cause?

02-09-2007, 02:43 PM	#769
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	JE, sorry for bailing earlier. That leverage comment put me over the edge. So we've got a wolf. I definitely have a hunch who, but it's probably not best to put out in the open yet. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 02:53 PM	#770
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	so what is this challenge? talking about a text sim? are they trying to get rid of us?

02-09-2007, 04:01 PM	#772
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am not a big text game player either. how about BBCF?

02-09-2007, 04:08 PM	#773
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I've never played BBCF, but the topic has to be either MF or the FB series.

02-09-2007, 04:16 PM	#775
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I have flexibility. BBCF or Puresim would work

02-09-2007, 04:20 PM	#776
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	well I will be on the road til much later. and wont be near my BBCF game this weekend but Ido play that in the big FOFC league

02-09-2007, 04:23 PM	#777
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	The thing I kind of like about Fast Break is that it's a one guy operation with just the Fast Break games. I wonder if we do BBCF if we have to go into mentioning other games from Grey Dog. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 04:26 PM	#778
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Isn't Fast Break put out by Grey Dog now?

02-09-2007, 04:39 PM	#780
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I can't find a wikipedia page for BBCF, either. For whatever that's worth.

02-09-2007, 04:40 PM	#781
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Do you have any experience with BBCF, path? Or Marathoner?

02-09-2007, 04:57 PM	#783
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I have no problem with the discussion. The more info out there the better, I say.

02-09-2007, 05:28 PM	#784
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Are we going to do BBCF or FB? I'd like to get the demo and play around for a bit just to see what the game is like.

02-09-2007, 05:39 PM	#785
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Are you more of a football or basketball fan? Make the call based on which you'd rather play -- we don't want you to load a demo you're gonna hate. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 05:40 PM	#786
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola, to clarify, college football. You can go with either pro or college with Fast Break. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 05:40 PM	#787
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	I would refire up the BBCF demo but it's timed out on my computer now and I don't really plan to buy it. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

02-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#788
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I'm more of a football fan, but I don't know how much that matters. I wasn't a big soccer fan when I first started playing Championship Manager back in the day, but now I'm a huge fan of the sport. I'll download the BBCF demo and see what it's like.

02-09-2007, 06:33 PM	#789
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Well, I've tried about five times to get the BBCF demo loaded but it keeps freezing up on me.

02-09-2007, 10:37 PM	#792
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	and by the way path I have no trouble with our info out there either.

02-09-2007, 10:39 PM	#793
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I am sorry I wont be near my computer a lot this weekend as I am visiting the folks and spending tomorrow working away from the computer

02-09-2007, 11:03 PM	#794
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I also have no problem of my suggestion to alter your proposed bids being made public. If ihear from y'all tonight Iwill say something if not it will be late tomorrow before Ican get back on. remember my suggestion was not the lowest 3 but the 2 lowest and a third that was one buck higher. I don't know if that matters or not. It seemed that the main reason we lost is we went a middle way. either your idea of only a few bids of high value or my original idea of $2 everywhere but lowest that had $1 dollar would have kept us out of the dog house.

02-11-2007, 08:01 AM	#797
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	As a reminder, tribal council votes are due one hour from now. Many of you seem to be looking closely at the previous challenge, and the possibility of "bid fixing" as a component of who to vote for today. Just how big of a factor is this in your vote? The biggest factor, a non-factor, or somewhere in between? Whether this is posted before the deadline is up or after, I'm sure our viewers will be interested in why you cast your votes the way you did. There is quite a bit of intrigue about which way this vote will go.

02-11-2007, 09:22 AM	#798
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I also need to know which page to send the judges to.