Vanilla Flavored Werewolf-Villagers Win

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Just to show you that DT is bad, he has way more posts in this game than either Danny or I. Clearly something is wrong.

lol

[DaddyTorgo]

Guys - I'm the seer. I need night protection.

EagleFan and Danny "are not wolves" (which is why I've been so sure one was the cultist).

Path was my other scan, and I scanned him the night that he was night-killed (that's why I pushed a little for him as a candidate, to try to put pressure on him so the wolves wouldn't NK him).

i didn't reveal on D1 because I had no info, so i wasn't really a loss.

I didn't reveal D2 because honestly I only had info on Danny and I was thinking I might have dropped enough of a hint on that by backing off of him as a suspect so quickly on D2.

I didn't reveal today because honestly I was playing with fire and hoping that if I did buy it that people would look back at my post #595 earlier.

The last wolf has to be autumn/britrock/saldana.

If Danny isn't the bodyguard (which I'm not sure I'd know as the seer) then autumn/britrock/saldana need to identify themselves and protect me. that will give me a 50/50 shot at picking out the last wolf.

[DaddyTorgo]

My scan order was Danny, EagleFan, and then Path. I realize that in my haste to get the post up there while everyone was still awake I didn't list them in the order that I scanned them.

[DaddyTorgo]

Worse case scenario danny is the BG (which like i said idk if i'd get told as the seer...been so long since i've been seer), then i have a 33% chance tonight and you guys have time to finish off the last one if i'm wrong.

[EagleFan]

lol, uh yeah... listen to Danny and DT...

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Worse case scenario danny is the BG (which like i said idk if i'd get told as the seer...been so long since i've been seer), then i have a 33% chance tonight and you guys have time to finish off the last one if i'm wrong.

Quoted for truth.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by EagleFan

lol, uh yeah... listen to Danny and DT...

I'm the seer - better listen to me. If I get BG protection and a reveal we can lock this thing up.

it's endgame guys.

[DaddyTorgo]

Someone's going to ask why I didn't scan Autumn - the answer is that initially I thought we were likely villager/villager on N1 so I didn't want to spend the scan there, especially with him drawing heat.

On N2 I wanted to get some clarity on EF after his late chaos (that was that day right? I'm not going back to look, but that was that day right?).

And on N3 I really was wolf-hunting with path, trying to find some info so I could reveal.

Today I basically probably over-analyzed and talked myself into believing that Autumn could still be a wolf (which I suppose he still could be - that actually could make a little sense as they would split their votes and then use EF the cultist to snipe me...although it'd be hella risky so I think that's the lowest probability), so that's why I put my vote on him.

[Danny]

DT, I just read back through all your posts today and they are consistent with what you just revealed as a possible seer. So is your voting. I will look back at posts from day 2 regarding me and day 3 regarding EF.

[Danny]

Its also consistent with no seer reveal today which I was shocked about. I was locked into you as a wolf, but willing to reconsider as I keep reading more

[DaddyTorgo]

Cool Danny.

[Danny]

All day you were very consistent about feeling I was the cultist and never once tried to indicate I was a wolf.

[britrock88]

I like that our presumed second wolf is building his story on the back of the pretty apparent cultist.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

All day you were very consistent about feeling I was the cultist and never once tried to indicate I was a wolf.

Are you vanilla villager, or bodyguard danny?

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I trust 2/3 of the people voting for me more than others in the game as far as their analysis so far, but I don't like that they're voting for me.

Autumn? Danny?

Here is a post from day 2 that is pretty consistent with DT scanning me night 1

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I presume at least myself and maybe autumn have been scanned by now.

Agreed with Autumn that we're barking up the wrong tree here though - at least as far as the two of us are concerned. Makes sense to look at shenanigan-causers though.

-font is dead and she was causing shenanigans.
-i know i'm good, so I know that danny's move off of me to britrock last night wasn't about a wolf saving a wolf, so I feel better about him at least being no worse than the cultist, because otherwise he has no reason to cause chaos.
-I've been in a similar place as EF in the past, in terms of trying to create chaos to see how people act and move their votes, so I don't harbor any ill-will towards him. Thinking he gets a pass for now, although he could certainly be a chaos-causing cultist (but he knows who the wolves are, so he'd have no incentive to save me, so I don't think this is the case).
-I feel okay about Autumn - again...his dogged suspiscion of me feels villagerish, and he may have been a scan target (as I have been I hope), so I think maybe he gets a pass for now.

I'd like to look elsewhere - knowing I'm a villager I have to believe that maybe we've been villager/villager the past couple days and instead of causing the chaos the wolves have put their votes in early and kept them locked on opposite candidates.

I'm traveling, but if somebody else wants to look at an analysis of people who have voted earlier in the day, haven't moved their votes, and have not voted together, I think that might be a really interesting filter to put on things...

...

[DaddyTorgo]

See also #595 where I group Danny and EF off by themselves. I had hoped if I died without revealing that somebody would go back and notice that post and get that out of it.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

But a roled villager (or maybe/probably the cultist) would likely reveal/fake reveal if they were on the block, especially in a small game where they could really swing things with any info regarding their personal CoT.

Hopefully one is a wolf!!

one post kind of against DT

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Yeah - if I was a roled villager I think I might have elected to sit tight rather than reveal this early in a game when my reveal might not bring useful info.

post in favor of DT

[Danny]

Not there yet, I am reading every post you have made all game

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

one post kind of against DT

just misdirection - trying to keep the wolves from suspecting me so i didn't get NK'd

[Autumn]

If our seer twice was tied in the lynch vote and did not reveal, I have to question how well they understood their role.

[Danny]

Ok, ready every post DT has made all game and while its pretty shocking considering my posts an hour ago, I am leaning toward him telling the truth.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

If our seer twice was tied in the lynch vote and did not reveal, I have to question how well they understood their role.

Oh, he misplayed the role. But his posts all game are very are consistent with his reveal post.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

If our seer twice was tied in the lynch vote and did not reveal, I have to question how well they understood their role.

Go big or go home, that's what I say!!

[Danny]

And the thing that really is pushing me in that direction is the fact that the other possible seers in Brit and Saldana did not reveal or even hint at anything.

[Danny]

If DT is telling the truth, the wolf is likely Britrock or Saldana. DT, please scan one of those two. I really dont think Autumn is a wolf, especially with Chief vote on him today

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Oh, he misplayed the role. But his posts all game are very are consistent with his reveal post.

Disagree. We're locked in for the win if we don't fuck it up - I think I played it risky, but great.

Revealing on D1 or D2 would have given us nothing. Dropped enough clues as to the two people I had scanned (see post 595) today that if I died in the lynch I figured you guys were smart and would figure it out.

And then obviously I revealed tonight once we got rid of one of the 2 wolves.

[Danny]

I thought for sure you were a wolf DT, because I was sure you were not a vanilla villager. I do think you misplayed the seer role honestly as it caused us a lot of time wasted focusing on you.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

If DT is telling the truth, the wolf is likely Britrock or Saldana. DT, please scan one of those two. I really dont think Autumn is a wolf, especially with Chief vote on him today

Yes - I plan on going for one of those 2 and I'll let you know who.

If the BG would reveal though, that would further narrow down the list - particularly if it's one of those two, but even if it's not I think that's valuable data so that the remaining villagers can hold the person who claims to be the BG accountable for keeping me alive.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

I thought for sure you were a wolf DT, because I was sure you were not a vanilla villager. I do think you misplayed the seer role honestly as it caused us a lot of time wasted focusing on you.

I pleaded with you guys to focus your attentions elsewhere as much as I could - I didn't want to reveal with no useful info and no real advantage in # of cleared people.

[Danny]

The BG is one of those two

[Danny]

I think Brit is probably the wolf.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

I pleaded with you guys to focus your attentions elsewhere as much as I could - I didn't want to reveal with no useful info and no real advantage in # of cleared people.

So would a wolf, so that didnt mean much

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

The BG is one of those two

Not you and not autumn?

I'm guessing it's not autumn because I presume he would have revealed when he was on the block, but maybe he has nerves of steel like me and didn't.

there's nothing to say that one of you or him isn't telling the same white-lie that i was about being a vanilla-villager...

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

So would a wolf, so that didnt mean much

Hasn't really hurt us in the end though.

[Danny]

FWIW, I thought Saldana was the seer earlier today

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

I think Brit is probably the wolf.

Brit is where I was planning on scanning, so assume that unless you hear otherwise.

[Danny]

Both Saldana adnd Brit have checked in now, so the BG should have seen your post

[DaddyTorgo]

Aaah there's saldana!

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Danny

FWIW, I thought Saldana was the seer earlier today

I'm glad I was such an UTR seer!

[Danny]

BG should reveal

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Hasn't really hurt us in the end though.

I disagree. If you're realy the seer we wasted a lot of time today arguing about you when we could have been figuring out the real wolf. Not to mention that you came within seconds of being lynched without revealing anything. Expecting us to figure out your scans by reading your old posts never works, and leaves us to be manipulated by teh wolves.

[Danny]

and so should seer if its not DT.

[DaddyTorgo]

If the BG reveals then we absolutely have this locked up tonight. Because I'll scan one of the other 2 people left and establish 100% who the wolf is.

[Autumn]

The BG should not reveal. What purpose would that serve? If DT is faking, and the seer doesn't counter reveal tonight, then the BG has just outed himself and either gets killed, or the wolves know who not to kill.

If DT is not faking, we still don't need to know the BG tonight.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I disagree. If you're realy the seer we wasted a lot of time today arguing about you when we could have been figuring out the real wolf. Not to mention that you came within seconds of being lynched without revealing anything. Expecting us to figure out your scans by reading your old posts never works, and leaves us to be manipulated by teh wolves.

I had shit info though. I could have said "neither danny or EF is a wolf, one is probably the cultist based on their posts though", and beyond that that i was the seer.

that doesn't give us anything numerically.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Autumn

The BG should not reveal. What purpose would that serve? If DT is faking, and the seer doesn't counter reveal tonight, then the BG has just outed himself and either gets killed, or the wolves know who not to kill.

If DT is not faking, we still don't need to know the BG tonight.

Because it limits our options from 3 down to 2 people as possible wolves.

[DaddyTorgo]

Originally Posted by Autumn

The BG should not reveal. What purpose would that serve? If DT is faking, and the seer doesn't counter reveal tonight, then the BG has just outed himself and either gets killed, or the wolves know who not to kill.

If DT is not faking, we still don't need to know the BG tonight.

We do if we consider the possibility that you could be a wolf making a hella-cunning play.

If the BG doesn't reveal I could potentially waste a scan on them...if the BG reveals then the number of people I have to scan is down to 2 and we'll know with 100% certainty.

[Danny]

If the other reveal as BG / Seer then we no the last wolf is DT or the other person who claims seer.