10-26-2009, 09:39 PM | #751 |
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Day 2 Voting History:
(536) Lathum votes Abe Sargent (AS 1) (538) ntndeacon votes Abe Sargent (AS 2) (541) EagleFan votes ntndeacon * invalid vote (568) lerriuqs votes Abe Sargent (AS 3) (569) Raiders Army votes ntndeacon (AS 3 ntn 1) (622) Chief Rum votes ntndeacon (AS 3 ntn 2) (628) Abe Sargent votes ntndeacon (AS 3 ntn 3) (631) Coffee Warlord votes ntndeacon (ntn 4 AS 3) (633) KWhit votes Coffee Warlord (ntn 4 AS 3 CW 1) (639) hoopsguy votes Abe Sargent (ntn 4 AS 4 CW 1) (650) MartinD votes Abe Sargent (AS 5 ntn 4 CW 1) (651) The Jackal votes Abe Sargent (AS 6 ntn 4 CW 1) (663) PurdueBrad votes ntndeacon (AS 6 ntn 5 CW 1) (665) EagleFan votes Abe Sargent (AS 7 ntn 5 CW 1) (666) J23 votes ntndeacon (AS 7 ntn 6 CW 1) (677) JAG votes Abe Sargent (AS 8 ntn 6 CW 1) (684) GoldenEagle votes ntndeacon (AS 8 ntn 7 CW 1) (694) PurdueBrad unvotes ntndeacon, votes Abe Sargent (AS 9 ntn 6 CW 1) Final vote: Abe Sargent 9 - Lathum (536), ntndeacon (538), lerriuqs (568), hoopsguy (639), MartunD (650), The Jackal (651), EagleFan (665), JAG (677), PurdueBrad (694) ntndeacon 6 - Raiders Army (569), Chief Rum (622), Abe Sargent (628), Coffee Warlord (631), J23 (666), GoldenEagle (684) Coffee Warlord 1 - KWhit (633) |
10-26-2009, 09:42 PM | #752 |
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JAG and The Jackal come off looking good, IMO.
GE, not so much. KWhit gets the WT(bleep) vote.
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10-26-2009, 09:43 PM | #753 |
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That's solely based on looking at this list, no consideration for Day One votes at all.
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10-26-2009, 09:43 PM | #754 |
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Whoa!
Great job, guys. I was way off on my thoughts about Abe. Glad you all didn't listen. |
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10-26-2009, 09:48 PM | #756 | |
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Day One with the new information:
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10-26-2009, 09:48 PM | #757 | |
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Yeah, I have been there, although usually it's closer to deadline when I am just completely dissatisfied with the choices the village made.
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10-26-2009, 09:50 PM | #758 |
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We have ntn, RA and hoops as the remaining Telle voters. I think that needs explored a bit. IMHO
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10-26-2009, 09:53 PM | #759 |
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To be fair, I voted Telle as well at the end. Or at least I tried to.
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10-26-2009, 09:59 PM | #760 | |
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Another thing to consider is MartinD or KWhit (or myself, but I'm not considering that of course), because they were PB voters who weren't around when they needed a new candidate to prop up and prevent Abe from getting lynched day 1. Nice work with getting day 1 and day 2 up so quickly. Minor quibble, there's a couple of PB's at the end that aren't blue'd (344 and 346 in day 1), and Abe isn't red on the final day 1 tally. |
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10-26-2009, 10:00 PM | #761 | |
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All that's it. BURN HIM!
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10-26-2009, 10:04 PM | #762 |
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10-26-2009, 10:05 PM | #763 |
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Well, I went from not having much in the way of candidates to having a wealth of choices for tomorrow.
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10-26-2009, 10:10 PM | #764 |
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Hoops' posts reek to me of a wolf who is trying to steer scrutiny away from Abe in the hopes that abe would be scanned, come back good then they can both go on their way. |
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10-26-2009, 10:28 PM | #766 |
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I am leaning toward voting for hoops at the moment tomorrow.
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10-26-2009, 10:35 PM | #767 | |
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Funny, the reason I ended up tying the vote 4-4 today (and not moving it) was because I thought you might be the seer based on your consistent status of wanting to get Abe today. Over the course of the day there were three different people that I thought might have been the seer at different points. 1.) Coffee Warlord - seemed to be shying away from Abe earlier in the day 2.) Lathum - gung ho on getting Abe 3.) J23 - looks like wolves saw the same thing I did in comments, but they had knowledge that Abe was the cunning so they could interpret more clearly than I could If you wanted to quote some of my posts from today, you could also have chosen the ones where I talked about not liking the group of earlier voters for NTN, where I said that I was not going to vote for NTN because I felt like he was being positioned as a patsy, or that the cautious voting today felt like the wolves were trying to figure out if it was worth sticking their necks out to defend Abe. I'm pretty sure all of those posts made it into the thread and I'll find them if asked to do so. Last point - if I'm a wolf I don't put out a vote on Day #1 on the cunning wolf to introduce him as a candidate and then return to him on Day #2 to tie it up 4-4. There is zero reason to risk that role in this manner; no other wolf role is as valuable. |
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10-26-2009, 10:36 PM | #768 |
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Also, why in the world would I have ever said anything about wanting Abe to be a runaway - that I would not want to pit him against another candidate? C'mon, I've got a lot of posts out there so I can understand there is material to pick and choose from to paint a picture, but the one Lathum is selling is really inconsistent with the body of my posts today.
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10-26-2009, 10:40 PM | #769 | |
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Because it puts distance between the 2 of you. I think you realized that either Abe was gonna be lynched today or that you will be an early scan target. |
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10-26-2009, 10:46 PM | #770 |
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I would have fought tooth and nail to keep Abe alive to get scanned if I was a wolf, not end up sacrificing him on Day 2 after presenting him as a candidate on Day 1.
I think you know that as a wolf over the last couple of years I'm much more likely to play out in front because I'm an early scan candidate than to take the strategy of sacrificing one of my own (the cunning, no less) to build trust. |
10-26-2009, 11:00 PM | #771 |
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Guys I'm sure are good:
Me - duh EagleFan - known role PurdueBrad - uncountered claim, huge swing vote at end on Abe tonight to prevent potential wolf save Guys I'm pretty sure are good: Jackal - two votes on Abe that had meaning. Yesterday put Abe in 3-3 tie, today put him up 6-4. Lerriuqs - tied up Abe yesterday 6-6, put early vote on him today. Guys I lean towards as good: Lathum - voting record is good, outside chance that he is doing what he is accusing me of doing with his votes. But hard to overlook post #198, where he puts Abe one vote off lead (6-5) yesterday. Chief Rum - his vote yesterday was on Abe, making it 4-3-3 over PB and RA. Hard to see doing that to the cunning wolf, no matter the circumstances. So that is half the players in the game that I won't give a hard look at all for the Day 3 vote. |
10-26-2009, 11:18 PM | #772 |
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You know what a rollercoaster it is to read all of that at once!. From the high of not only not dieing but Abe being the cunning wolf, to losing Velma as we did. I hope Fred is at least sometimes guarding Shaggy. Maybe he can tell us something.
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10-26-2009, 11:27 PM | #773 |
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I think we have a few wolves on the ropes right now and they are starting to "fight back".... looks in hoops' direction...
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10-26-2009, 11:30 PM | #774 |
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Vote Hoops
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10-26-2009, 11:32 PM | #775 |
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EF, if that is what you guys are determined to do you'll find I don't have time to defend myself tomorrow. I don't have a role to claim, I think we are in strong enough position to survive my loss, but it will still be a poor vote and far from the logical one when looking at the data over the first two days.
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10-26-2009, 11:51 PM | #776 |
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I may as well finish with my thoughts on the other players in the game, just in case people are bound and determined to lynch me. If/when you realize that it was a bad move then at least you will be able to look back at this post and #771 and realize they represent my actual thoughts as opposed to some kind of wolf manipulation.
JAG - slow start on analysis from a guy that I really enjoy reading when he is a villager. D1 vote on PB never moved, but his vote today made it 8-6 Abe. I think there are better choices than him and he probably should be in the bottom trust group in post #771. MartinD - early vote yesterday put PB in 2-2 tie with Abe, today he broke a 4-4 tie between Abe/NTN. Again, I think he goes into bottom trust group. Would go higher if I had more posts to review or better long-term read. GoldenEagle - vote yesterday put Abe in 6-6 tie with PB when I do not think he was going to be around near deadline to move it. Late vote today on wrong horse (moved NTN within one of Abe late, seemed to be asking someone to consider switching) pretty much offsets this. I've got him as a neutral. KWhit - killer bad vote yesterday on PB, putting him up 7-6 on Abe. His vote today avoided both leading candidates. Leaning towards distrust, but not at the bottom of the pile since he could have actively backed Abe instead of going 3rd party. NTN - his cause today is helped by being positioned against Abe, and that I really don't like the group that was championing him earlier today. As a result, I have him in a position of very, very slight trust. Coffee Warlord - the guy whose voting pattern mirrored mine yesterday and who put NTN up 4-3 today. Once I became convinced he was not the seer earlier today, I was very interested to see how today played out with us on opposite candidates. He is going to be my vote today. Raiders Army - vacated Abe late on D1, voted NTN today. His D1 play seems pretty erratic for a wolf, but he also seemed to suggest that "PB cleared Abe" earlier today. He is in my distrust group, probably right behind Coffee Warlord. |
10-26-2009, 11:51 PM | #777 |
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As a result,
VOTE COFFEE WARLORD |
10-27-2009, 12:43 AM | #778 |
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Vote ntn...
I had a bigger post that explained it but lost it and don't have time for another. I'm leaning towards ntn and RA based on Day 1 voting. FTR, I probably won't be on here at all tomorrow before the next deadline. |
10-27-2009, 09:08 AM | #779 |
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Well that sucks.
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10-27-2009, 09:41 AM | #781 |
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Early take:
feel better about : lerriuqs - day one vote that brought Abe into a tie with PB, can't see a wolf bringing their cunning into risk at that time of day. GoldenEagle - His day one vote to bring Abe back into a tie after someone had unvoted Abe to put PB back in the lead. Why make that move if you are a wolf and Abe is the cunning? Coffee Warlord - For the exact same reasons as above. I know that he had a late vote change to Telle (or attempted change) but why put Abe at risk with his earlier vote. unsure: PurdueBrad - I know the reveal has not been countered but I have to say that if you took that counter away and just looked at the voting records I would think wolf. When he was tied with Abe he unvoted Abe to give himself the lead. Unless there is a counter reveal I pretty much have to feel good about him though. At this point, if he did fake reveal and the real Shaggy is out there I would hope that he comes forward. feeling worse about: Raiders Army - I first read his votes much better on day one until I put the PB reveal into the mix, he had just given PB a decent lead right before the reveal and the was quick to move his vote off PB and onto Abe (but then floundered on that Abe fote going to ntn, back to Abe and then to Telle). Could be a wolf trying to look good by the quick change after the reveal and then trying to find a way to not vote for a fellow wolf. hoops - put the first vote on Abe but then made the vote which saved Abe. Add the whole "let the seer scan Abe thing and not wanting to vote him out on day two" and it seems really suspicious. Why try so hard to get Abe scanned unless you know if helps your cause? Plus he keeps talking about peopple who voted for Abe (with the knowledge they were going to be there late to be able to switch). How many games have we been in where wolves actually set themselves up to have to make a late vote switch on day one to bring attention to themselves? |
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EF, I'm not sure about your logic to put Coffee as trusted. He put a vote on ntn to make it 4-3 on D2, he switched his vote at deadline to try to save Abe. Those two actions look pretty suspicious to me.
I think the wolves wanted Abe to get some scrutiny on D1 so he would get scanned and 'cleared' by the cunning. To me, that makes hoops look suspicious as he put the first vote on Abe as well as the saving vote right at deadline (taking it from 6-5 Abe to 6-5 Telle). Frankly I think he's worthy of suspicion especially with some of his dialogue yesterday in light of Abe being the cunning, although I found myself agreeing with his trust list for what it's worth. |
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That should read "scanned and 'cleared' by the SEER" not cunning.
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10-27-2009, 10:02 AM | #784 |
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PB, were you enslutted again last night?
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Interesting question. So, I was out last night looking for a sub sandwich (yum!) and maybe some Scooby Snacks Jag, but I got a bit distracted. I saw KWhit wandering around and decided, based on his odd vote, that I would follow him, thinking that maybe the wolves would kill him as it would lead to little/no ability to do much vote analysis based on his weird vote. As I rounded a corner, I saw a candlestick fly by and I ducked it. Zoinks that was close! Proud of myself, I chose to have a bite of my sub sandwich but didn't get to savor it because somebody threw an old, brown, worn shoe at me, conking me on the head and taking me down. So when I woke up, no more KWhit and, much more importantly, no more sandwich. |
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I was mildly disappointed/surprised at first until I re-read the WW role and saw that there was no restriction where they can't enslut me every night. Yeah, that's right, I don't want any of you enslutting me nightly, looks at Jackal and EF in particular because I don't want to end up with a Flyers tattoo. |
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10-27-2009, 10:28 AM | #787 | |
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I hope when you came to you said "That really hurt! I'm gonna have a lump there, you idiot! Who throws a shoe? Honestly!" |
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10-27-2009, 10:33 AM | #788 |
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What's enslut mean?
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10-27-2009, 10:35 AM | #789 |
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It's a role title. Basically rather than spend time doing my job, I get caught by the slut or enslutted as it were. It would be a much more fun/interesting role if we were playing with a lot of hot chicks rather than a bunch of dudes and with the slut being a dirty, furry, smelly werewolf. |
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No offense to the werewolf of course. In fact, just so I know I didn't hurt your feelings, can you do me a favor and just go ahead post that you forgive me? ...waiting...waiting...waiting...It's so crazy, it just might work...waiting... |
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I am not sold on the idea of PB being Shaggy either, but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
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10-27-2009, 11:45 AM | #792 |
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That's pushing it, in my opinion. It's been several days since that reveal. If it was bogus, someone would have posted by now.
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10-27-2009, 12:19 PM | #793 |
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CW, what are your reads on people at this point?
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Sorry I haven't been around much today. I'm being evaluated at work and then I have a meeting. I'll be on in the later afternoon.
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10-27-2009, 12:45 PM | #795 | |
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Seriously, what do you and EF want, me to show up at your front door in brown pants, a green shirt, smoking a roach, with a five foot long submarine sandwich and a talking dog by my side? Estoy Shaggy, prometo. (I am Shaggy, I promise) |
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10-27-2009, 12:46 PM | #796 |
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I have to say, this sandwich that I found tasted great.
I almost thought about sharing it but only saw Shaggy and JAG online so I snuck off and had it myself. I really wasn't sure about sharing at that point..... I was hungry!!!!!! Now back to the game. I want to find out more about what KWhit was doing. Maybe he'll bring me some scooby snacks and we'll talk about it over them. If anyone else has scooby snacks feel free to let me know. I just love those things!!!!!!!!!!! |
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You're a hateful jerk face for taking my sandwich Scoobs! Come here, I got some Scooby Snacks for you, there two right under that box with a stick holding it up, go ahead, get both. JAG, KWhit, don't share with Scooby, he stole my sandwich.
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I believe you unless there is a believable counter. To be honest that would pretty much have to be someone saying they followed someone and found a wolf. Or if someone ends up lynched or NK'd and shows up as Shaggy. It just seems convenient that you wanted to save Abe more than yourself on day one and have no results to speak of at this time and are still alive. If there is a different real Shaggy out there, maybe wait until tomorrow to reveal, it will give you one more night of following. If you get lucky and find a wolf that will give us 2 counting PB and I would definitely consider that a plus for us. Not trying to latch onto you, just pointing out a few doubts that I have. |
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I'm Rorry Raggy!!!!! But it tasted good!!!!!! |
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