2014 FOFC HARDCORE BASEBALL (Please set your lineups)

[ntndeacon]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

If you wanted to draft all pitchers, that would be your right to do so - considering you couldn't field a roster with all pitchers, I don't know why you would...

Using fantasy football as an example, I didn't draft a kicker this year even though that is a position we have to start. I signed one prior to the season starting so I could put a valid roster out there. I am sure that LWSFS will be doing the same with his catchers.

Yea, but you see, not drafting a kicker is cr... wrong too.

[Toddzilla]

If you can't accept it as strictly illegal, it is at the very least against the spirit of the rules, rules everyone else is playing by, so don't be an asshat and flaunt an apparent loophole.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Here's the thing. And I don't want to make a huge deal out of it because I don't think its a big deal.

For the past three years, ever since the two catcher rule has been implemented, I have played one catcher week after week. Very rarely do I play two catchers although I have from time to time. During the three years, not one person has complained about it until Round 26 of this year's draft.

I understand that I could be violating the spirit of the law. And I do not mind at all having a vote on this for next year's draft, but to bring it up with only two rounds left in the draft strikes me as a bit unfair. It would have been much better and much fairer to have the discussion and vote before the draft rather than during it.

[Toddzilla]

Here is what you basically just said...

"I've been breaking the rules for 3 years and no one caught me so I should be able to continue to break the rules."

You are wrong, sir.

Don't try to play the victim because you got caught.

Also, not fielding a legal roster should result in no stats being accumulated, so that's another oversight.

[TRO]

FWIW, my comment was more in thinking that Yahoo didn't allow you to draft a player if you didn't have an open roster spot - this is apparently an ESPN issue only.

I don't think we should be trying to force players into having to use the individual roster spots.

We have a minimum IP limit to help protect the WHIP, ERA and Loss categories in pitching. (though I hate that the min IP threshold also applies to the W, K, SV and IP categories too).

I wouldn't mind seeing us discuss a minimum AB limit in the future for batting rate categories (AVG, OBP, SLG), but now isn't the time for that.

[samifan24]

To me not fielding two catchers when you have two roster spots is against the spirit of the rules too.

[Toddzilla]

I drafted 2 catchers because our roster rules require us to have 2 catchers.

I did not avoid drafting catchers trying to obtain - however slight - a competitive advantage.

That isn't from lack of forethought or inability to strategize, that's called following the rules.

[Ramzavail]

I can't vote for something I didn't think existed. I never thought somebody wouldn't start two catchers and I'm failing to even understand the benefit. You don't start a catcher and have an extra bench spot with a pitcher (I'm guessing you'd want another pitcher) that you could essentially have to rotate in for a 2 week start pitcher?

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I have laid out my case. I do not need to repeat it. Other people have laid out their cases, we do not need to repeat those either.

Lets keep it really simple.

If more than half the people have an issue with me not drafting two catchers, say so and I will draft two catchers and play two catchers.

This will also mean that all teams throughout the year have to play two catchers.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

And honestly, I don't care that much which way this goes. This is supposed to be fun guys.Lets not lose sight of that.

[TRO]

Originally Posted by Ramzavail

I can't vote for something I didn't think existed. I never thought somebody wouldn't start two catchers and I'm failing to even understand the benefit. You don't start a catcher and have an extra bench spot with a pitcher (I'm guessing you'd want another pitcher) that you could essentially have to rotate in for a 2 week start pitcher?

The benefit in not starting two catchers is to avoid the drag on your team AVG, OBP and SLG.

His team is set up to try to sweep the pitching categories and try to win Steals, AVG, OBP and/or SLG. His team is very good in steals, but he needs to minimize any drags in AVG, OBP and SLG that he can as he is projected to stink there, with or without the 2 Catchers.

For a weekly H2H league, this is a good team concept with our rules structure. It would not be as good in a traditional roto league.

[samifan24]

I vote that LWSFS should have to draft and play two catchers.

[TRO]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

If more than half the people have an issue with me not drafting two catchers, say so and I will draft two catchers and play two catchers.

This will also mean that all teams throughout the year have to play two catchers.

I don't have a problem with it for this season at all.

[TRO]

We need an autopick for Clebrownsfan too.

[Toddzilla]

This isn't up for a goddamn vote, it's a rule. Follow it and play fair or get out.

[Ramzavail]

thanks for the explanation TRO, I understand now.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by LastWhiteSoxFanStanding

This will also mean that all teams throughout the year have to play two catchers.

All teams ALREADY HAVE TO PLAY with 2 catchers. It's the basis for a legal roster. There shouldn't be a provision NOT to play without the required positional players.

[samifan24]

Agreed.

[Ramzavail]

and I agree - play with two catchers. Just because we never noticed you didn't play with two catchers (how many times do I ever look at a teams starting lineup anyway, I look at my own), doesn't make it OK to continue doing it or that it needs to go up for a vote now.

[Toddzilla]

and I should say, since this is a sticking point for me - can you tell - that if this rule is not enforced, I'm out.

[cubboyroy1826]

I gotta agree that playing two catchers should be the requirement to have a legal lineup otherwise we should have just had an extra utility slot. Many of us, me included would have drafted different earlier in the draft honestly.

[claphamsa]

if you only want to draft one catcher im fine with that. but you should play 2.

also, we should change the rule to get rid of the second catcher since its stupid.

[CleBrownsfan]

I'm stuck in traffic. Can Someone pick Crawford for me if he's available? If not, whoever. Thanks!

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

done. queueing up Tyler Flowers as we speak.

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

if you only want to draft one catcher im fine with that. but you should play 2.

also, we should change the rule to get rid of the second catcher since its stupid.

This is absolutely my thought too. I don't want my being okay with him not drafting 2 catchers as being me being okay with him not PLAYING 2 catchers. To me, those are two completely different things. As in my example, I may not have drafted a legal roster, but by the time it came to field a roster, it was legal then - and I feel it is definitely against the rules to not fill all your positions (especially if you're going out of your way to do it).

[samifan24]

Auto pick for CleBrownsfan:

RP Chad Qualls, HOU

He wanted Crawford but he's already taken so rather than giving him Dozier, yet another backup middle infielder, I opted for the top ranked reliever because he doesn't have any bench arms.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

This is absolutely my thought too. I don't want my being okay with him not drafting 2 catchers as being me being okay with him not PLAYING 2 catchers. To me, those are two completely different things. As in my example, I may not have drafted a legal roster, but by the time it came to field a roster, it was legal then - and I feel it is definitely against the rules to not fill all your positions (especially if you're going out of your way to do it).

i have at least one guy on the DL, so i can replace him with a C!

todzilla has 2 who will be waived tomorrow. shit happens.

[PackerFanatic]

Also - I'd be all for a vote to remove the 2nd catcher next year

[MizzouRah]

27.10 Mark Melancon Pit - RP

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

I just need to get this off my chest...

It is important to me to make clear that I was not cheating. I don't cheat in these things. What's the point? Fantasy baseball is an escape, it is fun and if I do happen to win it, my life doesn't automatically become wonderful and I am certainly not being paid.

Having said that I do like to win so I made a strategic decision that had pros and cons to it. Obviously I would improve on avg, and obp and slg, but i would lose out on runs rbis sb and hr.

And I did not think I was getting away with anything. AT ALL. I mean what I was doing was out in the open week after week for about three years. In fact, I remember seeing at least one other team last year start only one catcher against me.

Every week I check the team I am playing against. Every week. That is the fun of fantasy baseball. I am honestly surprised that nobody looks at the other team when playing.

What upsets me is this wasn't brought to my attention until the 26th round of the draft. It should have been brought up earlier.

However, in the spirit of being part of the league and being part of a group dynamic I put this up to a vote and followed what the league asked me to do even if I respectfully disagree with the reasoning.

I am appreciative that most everyone was respectful in laying out their case as to what should be done.

I am disappointed that Toddzilla implied that I was acting like an asshat, that I was playing the role of the victim and finally saying that if he wasn't going to get his way that he was going to leave the league which certainly would not be in the spirit of what we are trying to accomplish here.

So to everyone in the league I wish you good luck and I hope this matter is officially put to rest.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

27.11 Josmil Pinto C Min

[claphamsa]

i noticed last year

didnt care then, dont care now

[CleBrownsfan]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Auto pick for CleBrownsfan:

RP Chad Qualls, HOU

He wanted Crawford but he's already taken so rather than giving him Dozier, yet another backup middle infielder, I opted for the top ranked reliever because he doesn't have any bench arms.

Thank you for the pick! A 1 hour commute took me well over 3 hours tonight... not cool

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i noticed last year

didnt care then, dont care now

Yeah, I didn't think it was a big deal! I didn't even make the playoffs.

[LastWhiteSoxFanStanding]

Leave it to the clap to make sense of it all

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

i noticed last year

didnt care then, dont care now

+1

[MizzouRah]

I'm going to bed soon, so if I'm not on when my next pick comes up, top yahoo guy is fine with me.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by MizzouRah

I'm going to bed soon, so if I'm not on when my next pick comes up, top yahoo guy is fine with me.

This is all waiver guys anyways

[MizzouRah]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

This is all waiver guys anyways

yeah I figured I'll be moving the last 2-4 picks around for other players anyway..

[claphamsa]

cant believe no one has picked future HOF player Arod!

[claphamsa]

spreadsheet is updated

[cubboyroy1826]

I will not be around most of the day tomorrow so if my pick comes up between 9 and 1 just give me the next available.

[samifan24]

Let's finish this thing today!

[PackerFanatic]

Originally Posted by samifan24

Let's finish this thing today!

We have to

[Subby]

Since we are all weighing in, there should not be a requirement to fill any of your slots. That's silly. It's a strategic decision. Do it and you will get crushed on counting stats and you *might* do better with qualitative stats.

If I am playing a team I am begging them to leave slots open. Numerous head to head series last year had my team facing an opponent that had an empty slot.

[TRO]

Originally Posted by PackerFanatic

We have to

1 round with 1 hour time limits, won't be a problem.

[claphamsa]

so..... where we at?

[PackerFanatic]

Looks like we are on 27.12 and 28.1 with Todd's last two picks.

[samifan24]

It's time to auto pick then isn't it?

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

I can't do that - please just fill the rest of my team with the top rated SPs.

Thanks

i guess we should pick him SPs