02-18-2015, 12:02 PM | #751 |
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02-18-2015, 12:06 PM | #753 |
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Also, I believe Golden Eagle said he was a computer programmer. He could be the right guy for fixing the communications system.
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02-18-2015, 12:06 PM | #754 | |
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The last I think, including any supplies nearby from the first mission? |
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02-18-2015, 12:15 PM | #755 | |
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Sending folks out to the previous wreckage site seems careless at this point. Lets get the Biodome finished and start a subsequent project. We don't know that our communication system was disabled intentionally, it could have been damaged during the rough landing. We may have reason to believe otherwise, but no proof at this point. As much as I would agree that a government building would be nice, at this point there really isn't a reason to prioritize that over science or medical. Of course, I have been approaching this game from the viewpoint of my character while I notice some people are already planning for when everything goes wrong. I'm not sure which way we are expected to participate, at this point in the mission we wouldn't have any reason to suspect any immediate dangers outside of those related to surviving on Mars. If we take the "game-knowledge" approach then we should probably look at the science facility or medical center second. If we take the "we know how this goes" approach, then the government facility becomes a priority in my mind. Someone may want to correct me on how to approach this game so I don't cause confusion. |
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02-18-2015, 12:16 PM | #756 | |||
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As font mentioned. She can decide who will work on biodome and Schmidty. If not, the group needs to decide. What definitely needs a vote is what to work on next and if you will collect supplies or focus on next build (automatically giving you what you vote to build today but at the cost of food for two days). Will be online later. Been a rough night, having a couple issues at home with a sick daughter and an issue myself. |
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02-18-2015, 12:17 PM | #757 |
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I can also help with Physical tasks. I'm not in football shape, like Coach over there...but as a farmer, I am pretty active and certainly stronger than most of you. I don't get to the gym, but I spent a lot of time chopping wood, lugging around heavy equipment and reaping what I sow.
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02-18-2015, 12:38 PM | #758 |
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Hope everyone feels better quickly EF!
I've had some clarification from mod about my security station question, so I will: vote government facilities I definitely think research/med center are important, but we may be needing a way to protect/investigate sooner rather than later. Off for a bit. |
02-18-2015, 12:56 PM | #759 |
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Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor
DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BAD), ENGINEERING (BAD) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic Zinto - CEO Suicane - retired politician with history of public service Crimsonfox – PHYSICAL (GOOD?) automechanic timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type" Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background. Narcizo – SOCIAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility SharnK20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT) worked in ER ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD)retired Army general. primary concerns safety shoveler - Private investigator JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) MIT Prof of Engineering Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space saldana – ENGINEERING (GOOD) city planner Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD), SOCIAL (BAD) Schmidty
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02-18-2015, 12:57 PM | #760 | |
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Can you please explain how the option to fix the communication fits in with this? A.Is this something we can assign any people we want to it or is there a limit? B. Does assigning people to fixing the communicator prevent us from doing some other task (like we can't make a new building and fix the communicator, or will it make us less efficient at a task? Or do we not know?) Thanks, sorry for not being clear before and hope you and your daughter feel well soon. |
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02-18-2015, 01:04 PM | #761 |
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timmae, thanks for your work on the big list. When you get a chance, you can add I am lousy at everything besides social and physical. We would be at a big disadvantage assigning me to a task in any of the other categories.
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02-18-2015, 01:14 PM | #762 |
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We know power and food are the two most important things. We don't know the odds of not having enough food for today and tomorrow, but its a possibility of we work on a building. We have a good chance at finishing the biodome which would probably help us handle food going forward without needing to waste time scrounging around for it. We also don't know what happens if we have food shortages, maybe some health is lost, people starve, lower efficiency at tasks? So do we take that risk for the benefit of a new building a day earlier, and additional sabotage, of people or the biodome or something that hasn't yet come up? Going for food seems like a low risk strategy, but lower reward and possibly is unnecessary and wasteful if it turns out we don't need to do it. Making a building would give our saboteur a new thing to worry about and provide some potentially nice benefits, but we run the risk of losing personnel by doing it, or weakening us for future days.
Based on Thomkal's statement from above, I'm tempted to go government because it will potentially give us options for defending ourselves and offensively gathering intel. Without those options, we may not be able to defend our structures of primary importance. |
02-18-2015, 01:19 PM | #763 |
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vote focus on next build
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02-18-2015, 01:19 PM | #764 |
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there's a chance that not collecting supplies will hurt us, but if we have a medical facility established that is less of a problem. This seems two birds with one stone.
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02-18-2015, 01:28 PM | #765 | |
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Except you can't bandage up starvation. Also, we won't be able to use the medical facility if we don't have power. I think weneed to be able to protect our key infrastructure before we do anything else. Vote Government If someone has a chance, can you please put together an unofficial vote tally? |
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02-18-2015, 01:30 PM | #766 | |
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There are so many things that affect health... lack of food, disease, air quality (in enclosed spaces), attack, who knows what else. When we start having medical probalems and losing people we won't have manpower or time to build a medical facility. What are the things people need in crisis? Food. Shelter. Medical care. Government/Police. Probably in that order.
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02-18-2015, 01:41 PM | #767 |
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02-18-2015, 01:45 PM | #769 |
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vote Scientific Sartre
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02-18-2015, 01:46 PM | #770 |
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vote scientific sartre
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02-18-2015, 01:46 PM | #771 |
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I am going to put my name in one list, seems that nobody counts on me cause I am new but... I will try anyway
Science timmae – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type" SharnK20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (AVERAGE), ENGINEERING (BELOW AVERAGE), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD) farmer. strong science background. Narcizo – SOCIAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility Doctor Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general Chief Rum – MEDICAL (GREAT) worked in ER (is a doctor or a nurse? never said which) ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor Sheriff bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. thomkal - retired Army general. primary concerns safety-both a physical sense-a sheriff chosen and patroling the immediate area. for democracy. shoveler - Private investigator (objective - identify stowaway) JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training Engineer Jackal – ENGINEERING (GOOD?) MIT Prof of Engineering Grover – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space saldana – ENGINEERING (GOOD) city planner GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes Leader DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (OK) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic (ambigous history) fontisian – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor Zinto - CEO Suicane - retired politician with history of public service Crimsonfox – PHYSICAL (GOOD?) automechanic. enjoys moonbuggies and likes to change his vote frequently Unknown Schmidty Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEIDCAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD), SOCIAL (BAD) |
02-18-2015, 01:47 PM | #772 |
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02-18-2015, 01:56 PM | #773 |
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VOTE: Focus on Next Building
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02-18-2015, 01:56 PM | #774 |
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Updated the most recent list with Shark's info...
Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BAD), ENGINEERING (BAD) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic Zinto - CEO Suicane - retired politician with history of public service Crimsonfox – PHYSICAL (GOOD?) automechanic timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type" Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background. Narcizo – SOCIAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD)ENGINEERING (BAD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT) worked in ER ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD)retired Army general. primary concerns safety shoveler - Private investigator JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) MIT Prof of Engineering Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space saldana – ENGINEERING (GOOD) city planner Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD), SOCIAL (BAD) Schmidty
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I suppose I could work on it. If anyone can fix it around here, it is probably me.
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02-18-2015, 02:07 PM | #776 | |
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My engineering is not bad, is below average |
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timmae, you can update and say that my physical is average.
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02-18-2015, 02:13 PM | #779 |
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How are we defining these ranges we're putting up. Or what designations are we using, and I will just figure it out from a range breakdown I'll put together off screen.
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Debatable at this point, I would guess that starvation lowers health and medics raise it, but we don't know. So your thinking is that government will allow us a security force of some kind? |
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02-18-2015, 02:16 PM | #781 |
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for whoever is updating this table, here is how i would portray myself
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02-18-2015, 02:17 PM | #782 |
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Thanks fellas... I'll use "below average" in lieu of "bad" for all. I can also update info for those that do not have anything listed as well. I apologize if I missed a post here or there. That list is:
Zinto Suicane Schmidty It can be descriptive attributes that I can then assume certain classification on if you like. EF has put the kibosh on this list so I assume what we've done thus far is within the rules of the game.
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02-18-2015, 02:20 PM | #784 |
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social is my highest, science is my lowest. others in between
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For sake of what I know thus far... Great 8-10+ Good 5-7 Bad (now to be Below Average)2-4 Awful 0-2 I can tweak or add to this as possible. Also if someone else obtains pleasure form this sort of task I am fine with having others take ownership. Either way is cool with me.
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02-18-2015, 02:22 PM | #786 |
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shoot... Bad could be 3-4. I can include an ok for 5 but that seems redundant. We really just need to know who's great and who's awful.
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i was told we may not reveal our numbers and doing this crosses that line I think. So we shouldn't do this. |
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02-18-2015, 02:23 PM | #788 |
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Changed my stuff
Fontisian (LEADER) – SOCIAL (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD), college history professor DanGarion – SOCIAL (GREAT) PHYSICAL (GOOD) MEDICAL (BAD), ENGINEERING (BAD) lead large group of succ. people. "well liked", Democratic Zinto - CEO Suicane - retired politician with history of public service Crimsonfox – PHYSICAL (GOOD?) automechanic timmae (PRIMARY SCIENTIST) – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), ENGINEERING (GOOD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL) studied science his whole life, "engineering type" Raven – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (GOOD) farmer. strong science background. Narcizo – SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (OK), MEDICAL (OK) PHYSICAL (BAD) chemist. bit of experience running small scale facility SharkN20, SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (BAD), PHYSICAL (AWFUL), professional gamer that used my life to develop your skills GoldenEagle – SCIENTIFIC (GOOD?) computer programmer, proposes deep analysis for scientific purposes Autumn – MEDICAL (GREAT) doctor and chief of staff at Boston general Chief Rum (PRIMARY DOCTOR) – MEDICAL (GREAT) worked in ER ntndeacon – MEDICAL (GREAT), ENGINEERING (BAD) EMT, but not a doctor bitrock – PHYSICAL (GREAT) SOCIAL (GOOD) ENGINEERING (AWFUL) police officer. record isn't perfect, and physical capability can sometimes cloud higher-order processes. thomkal (SHERRIFF) – SOCIAL (GREAT), PHYSICAL (GREAT), MEDICAL (LOW), ENGINEERING (BAD), SCIENTIFIC (BAD)retired Army general. primary concerns safety shoveler - Private investigator JAG – PHYSICAL (GREAT), SOCIAL (GOOD), highschool football coach. experience leading and training Jackal – ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD) MIT Prof of Engineering Grover (PRIMARY ENGINEER) – ENGINEERING (GOOD), SCIENTIFIC(GOOD), 2 yrs as engineer on ISS. prof. astronaut, enginer and scientist by trade. leader of ISS mission. has lived in space saldana – ENGINEERING (GOOD) city planner Danny ENGINEERING (GREAT), SCIENTIFIC (GREAT), MEDICAL (GOOD), PHYSICAL (BAD), SOCIAL (BAD) Schmidty |
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Methinks this is starting to border on sharing information we are meant to keep secret. EF, what says thou?
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02-18-2015, 02:24 PM | #790 |
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This isn't Nam. There are rules, Smokey.
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Dude...
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What's a pederast, Walter?
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That would be your project for the day. Instead of building a facility or government you would fix the communication. |
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02-18-2015, 02:33 PM | #794 | |
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No numbers being shared so that is a plus. It may be counter-productive to share some of this information to others though... When someone knows your weakness, they may have an advantage on you... Unless you think everyone can be trusted.... Cue evil laughter... |
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02-18-2015, 02:36 PM | #796 | |
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I think this is pushing the boundaries of the rules a bit. While saying great/good/bad/awful is probably fine, I'm not sure we should be publicly assigning a numeric value to each. |
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I would advise against going down this path. Strongly. Not only for rules but for game balance and role playing. Some of these roles think they are better than they really are... ego is a b*tch... |
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02-18-2015, 02:37 PM | #798 |
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For the record, I was reading backwards in the thread so my first response was before I saw the chart that I quoted on my second response.
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02-18-2015, 02:40 PM | #799 |
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So how valuable is fixing the communication with back home? That's a bit of a wild card, though we're told it's important.
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02-18-2015, 02:42 PM | #800 | |
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Autumn, this is the post from Thomkal where he suggests some possibilities we may have with a govt center. |
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