|
View Poll Results: Who will take the White House? | |||
Obama | 151 | 68.95% | |
McCain | 63 | 28.77% | |
Surprise? (Maybe Mr. Trout?) | 5 | 2.28% | |
Voters: 219. You may not vote on this poll |
|
Thread Tools |
08-04-2008, 09:20 PM | #751 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
dola
Speculation is heavy that Obama will pick Bayh Wednesday. There's a long unspecified time in IN on Obama's schedule and that evening Bayh is scheduled to introduce Obama for a speech. Bayh's office softball team has also canceled it's game on Wednesday night. It's all so clear that it probably won't happen.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-04-2008, 09:39 PM | #752 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
|
Quote:
Also, the website ObamaBayh08 redirects to the DNC website.
__________________
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton Last edited by samifan24 : 08-04-2008 at 09:39 PM. |
|
08-04-2008, 09:43 PM | #753 | |
H.S. Freshman Team
Join Date: Aug 2002
|
Quote:
It wouldn't surprise me that much if Bayh is the pick, but that is a fraud: http://whois.domaintools.com/obamabayh08.com Not owned by the DNC, so that guy is redirecting it on his own. |
|
08-04-2008, 10:08 PM | #754 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
Bayh seems to be a weird pick. He's a DLCer, who not only voted for the Iraq war, but CO-SPONSORED the resolution (but now he says its a mistake). He's pro-choice, but against late term abortions. Maybe Obama thinks the pick would help appeal to moderates (Bayh was very popular as Governor of Indiana), but Bayh is also the son of a powerful political father. He seems to be very much anti the "change" Obama is talking about. He's entrenched in political system through family and by being a DLC type which it seems Obama's core support has felt has sold out the party to become Republican-lite.
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
08-04-2008, 10:09 PM | #755 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: New Mexico
|
I agree with Imran again, Bayh makes no sense to me.
|
08-04-2008, 10:18 PM | #756 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
I'm not thrilled with Bayh, but I think the reason is the Clintons. Bayh would be a bone to the Clinton folks without picking Hillary.
The other option would be that Hillary will be the selection and Bayh would be a perfect person to bring them together
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-04-2008, 10:21 PM | #757 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
|
Quote:
Thanks for confirming this. I did a WHOIS check on the domain and saw it was registered to an address in Massachusetts state.
__________________
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton |
|
08-05-2008, 10:24 AM | #758 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
FiveThirtyEight.com: Electoral Projections Done Right: What Would You Do With $5M in Ad Time?
Quote:
An interesting idea. It has all the advantages that this post notes. But it also kind of plays into the "Obama thinks that he is better than us" theme if McCain spins it right. "Only the Olympics are grand enough for Emperor Obama to announce his VP pick." Either way, it would be slightly different, which is enough for me to hope that it happens this way, notwithstanding the consequences. EDIT--Apparently McCain has bought 20% more ad time than Obama during the Olympics. Which pretty much makes the above quote moot. Last edited by albionmoonlight : 08-05-2008 at 02:42 PM. |
|
08-05-2008, 03:01 PM | #759 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Jan 2002
|
So... this John Edwards scandal sure seems like its about to blow up, no?
__________________
Down Goes Brown: Toronto Maple Leafs Humor and Analysis |
08-05-2008, 11:26 PM | #760 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
This is a pretty good take by David Brooks.
Quote:
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
|
08-06-2008, 08:18 AM | #761 |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
Will Paris Hilton be added to the poll today?
|
08-06-2008, 10:07 AM | #762 |
Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
|
See more funny videos at Funny or Die |
08-06-2008, 10:15 AM | #763 |
Coordinator
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Jacksonville, FL
|
props to her and the producers....that was pretty funny.
__________________
Jacksonville-florida-homes-for-sale Putting a New Spin on Real Estate! ----------------------------------------------------------- Commissioner of the USFL USFL |
08-06-2008, 10:17 AM | #764 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
Interesting. As I read it, it seemed to me that Brooks is, in fact, describing most Americans. We all get involved in a myriad of activities that interest us, we all move from thing to thing, but the list of things we get heavily invested in is actually pretty small. Anyway, some other "Why isn't it an Obama landslide yet" columns from: Charlie Cook Nate Silver (538.com) |
08-06-2008, 11:31 AM | #765 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
Quote:
That's more-or-less my view. Well, fuck.... |
|
08-06-2008, 12:35 PM | #766 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
State-by-state EV projections, from fivethirtyeight.com, summarized and compared to the last time I did this, which was 17 July:
|
08-06-2008, 01:56 PM | #767 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Now, we can all finally vent our spleens to a wider audience. Maybe someone in this thread can take their energy and talent and become a star:
The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan Quote:
|
|
08-08-2008, 09:09 AM | #768 |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
Sorry, but this is just laughable. An idiot rep decided to endorse Paris Hilton's 'energy plan'. I find this laughable not because I disagree with it (most Republicans, Independents, and moderate Democrats would likely agree with the premise of it), but rather because this rep acts like this is some profound new idea that nobody has considered before. Paris did nothing more than read off a teleprompter what millions of Americans have been thinking and voicing for some time. The problem is that the politicians continue to not act on those wishes.
FOXNews.com - Congressman Gives a Plug to 'Paris Hilton Plan' in Energy Debate - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-08-2008 at 09:09 AM. |
08-08-2008, 09:25 AM | #769 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
My understanding is that the Gang of Ten plan that Obama said he was willing to support is pretty close to this except that it also closes tax loopholes on oil companies. That "tax increase," however, will keep it from being passed.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-08-2008, 12:05 PM | #770 |
Checkraising Tourists
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
|
I'm seeing tons of Obama and McCain commercials out here. It looks like they're both fighting hard for Nevada's five electoral votes.
|
08-08-2008, 12:15 PM | #771 |
Grizzled Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Appleton, WI
|
Anybody know what is going on with Hillary in advance of the official nomination? Right-wing radio is going nuts with Bill's refusal to state his belief that Obama is ready to be President or that he is qualified. Note that Bill isn't actually refusing to say it...he just seems to keep dancing around the question. It also sounds like Hillary, in her speeches, is leaving the door open on the possibility of still being involved.
Again, this is right-wing radio, so I'm curious if any of this stuff really has legs. |
08-08-2008, 12:20 PM | #772 | |
Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
|
Quote:
Hillary said in a campaign event a few days for Obama that her people ought to scream, then get to work electing Obama. So she's pretty much taking one for the team and even when they asked her what would happen with her delegates or her pulling a fast one, she basically said "I'm committed to getting Barack Obama elected." Bill is in Africa and I think the thing is, for him, it's not even JUST about Hillary. Obama diminishes his legacy, so naturally that has to be playing a part in how mad he is that this kid came along just two terms after him to steal his thunder as the saviour of the Democrats.
__________________
Current dynasty: OOTP25 Blitz: RTS meets Moneyball | OOTP Mod: GM Excel Competitive Balance Tax/Revenue Sharing Calc | FBCB Mods on Github |
|
08-08-2008, 12:51 PM | #773 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Quote:
If Obama wins all of the Kerry states + Iowa, + [2 of Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico] then he has 269 at a minimum (which is all he needs since the House will be Democratic). While this might not be the easiest path to Victory for Obama, it is certainly one of the easiest. And it is cheaper than running ads in Florida, Virginia, et al. So I can see an intense focus on those three Western states by both campaigns. |
|
08-08-2008, 02:27 PM | #774 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
Quote:
You would think that the first black president would treat the possible second black president more kindly. |
|
08-08-2008, 02:31 PM | #775 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
Quote:
It'll be interesting to see the poll numbers over the next 10-15 days. Kerry began a pretty big polling free-fall in mid-August in 2004. Obama's numbers are similar to Kerry in that he had a big lead in June and July and both Kerry and Obama see their numbers decreasing in early August. Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-08-2008 at 02:32 PM. |
|
08-08-2008, 02:48 PM | #776 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Oct 2000
|
Quote:
A big part of that fall was due to the combination of Kerry accepting public financing (Bush did also) along with the democratic national convention taking place about five weeks before the republican national convention. Bush was able to spend his "primary" money for that additional time, while Kerry had to ration his allocated funds and stretch them out to last for an additional month. |
|
08-08-2008, 02:50 PM | #777 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Quote:
And, let's not forget that McCain became the nominee long after the GOP had left him for dead and were focusing on whether Rudy and Romney could hold off Huckabee and Fred Thompson. McCain has that useful trait of being liked by the voters, even after the talking heads have come up with their 1001 reasons why he has no chance. |
|
08-08-2008, 02:56 PM | #778 | |
Checkraising Tourists
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
|
Quote:
Also, in six out of the past seven election cycles, the republican candidate has performed 10-15 points higher in the actual election than his standing in the July polls. We'll have to wait and see if that trend comes to fruition again this year. |
|
08-08-2008, 04:31 PM | #779 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Vic: You're massaging the numbers a bit. I think you must be going by lowest poll number in July as opposed to an average. Further a low point in July doesn't necessarily provide an accurate picture of the race. In 2004 there were at least four big swings from April to September. In 2004 Bush had times before and after July when he was up by several points.
You may have a better point arguing that Bush and perhaps others outperformed their high polling average by a few points, but I haven't looked at other races yet.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-08-2008, 04:40 PM | #780 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Here's another nice graph. There's certainly a pattern of big changes in late summer, but in 2000 it was Gore that charged back in August where in 2004 Bush overtook Kerry. In both cases, though, I think it's important to note that the Republicans had large advantages a year out. I wonder if the 2008 line is important because the support for a Democrat has been greater for most of the year and so far there hasn't been a big switch like we're used to seeing.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-08-2008, 06:37 PM | #781 |
College Starter
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: South Florida
|
A Clinton coup attempt at the convention wouldn't surprise me. That would certainly be prime time entertainment. I think Clinton and her supporters are still feeling a bit raw and resentful toward what they perceive to be the media's glad handling of Obama during the primary season.
|
08-08-2008, 06:40 PM | #782 |
Dark Cloud
Join Date: Apr 2001
|
|
08-08-2008, 08:58 PM | #783 | |
Checkraising Tourists
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Cocoa Beach, FL
|
Quote:
Actually, I was going by the average republican gain over all of the cycles, which includes Ford's 33 point deficit in July 1976 and GHWB's 17 point deficit in July 1988. |
|
08-08-2008, 09:08 PM | #784 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
But that does look like you're taking the lowest poll taken in July, correct? I've dug around but can't find polling data past 2000, do you have a link(s)?
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-11-2008, 11:25 AM | #785 | |||
Poet in Residence
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Charleston, SC
|
Chris Wallace interviewed McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis yesterday, and addressed some of the "misleading" statements the McCain campaign has been promoting, among other issues. Interesting interview.
Link: (FOX News) Transcript: McCain Campaign Manager Rick Davis on 'FOX News Sunday' Key quotes: Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
|||
08-11-2008, 11:35 AM | #786 |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Burke, VA
|
Wowzzors - Chris Wallace growing a set of balls and confronting the GOP. Whodathunkit.
|
08-11-2008, 11:57 AM | #787 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
Quote:
They've done this several times this year in regards to ads on both sides. I'm not going to be the one to say that FOXNews is 'fair and balanced', but this isn't the first time that they've put a hot poker to a GOP person in recent months. Wallace actually does a much better job in that regard than Snow or Hume did IMO. |
|
08-11-2008, 12:08 PM | #788 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
Any news media outlet that wants to apply fact-checking to ads from both sides is a good thing, in my opinion.
|
08-11-2008, 12:14 PM | #789 | |
Pro Starter
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: NC
|
Quote:
I think Chris Wallace generally does a good job and has grilled both sides in the past. He is not afraid to stand up and ask tough questions of both parties.
__________________
"You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball...and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time." -Jim Bouton |
|
08-11-2008, 12:17 PM | #790 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Wallace is a bit of a wildcard. He has enough of his father's pitbull in him to really go on the attack when he senses weakness.
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
08-11-2008, 02:26 PM | #791 | |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
Quote:
You should enjoy a new feature that the electoral-vote.com guy started. On any day, you can click on a link on the page and it takes you back 4 years to the day. So we can see that, for instance, August 11th 2004 was looking pretty good for John Kerry with 300+ electoral votes. |
|
08-11-2008, 04:48 PM | #792 | |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Newburgh, NY
|
Alan Keyes is keepin it real:
Quote:
__________________
To love someone is to strive to accept that person exactly the way he or she is, right here and now.. - Mr. Rogers |
|
08-11-2008, 04:53 PM | #793 |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
The Obama-Keyes race for the U.S. Senate was quite possibly one of the funnier political races I'd seen in recent memory.
|
08-11-2008, 05:34 PM | #794 |
Poet in Residence
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Charleston, SC
|
|
08-11-2008, 07:58 PM | #795 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Colorado
|
Interesting article that's going to come out in Atlantic Monthly
Memos show Clinton camp lines of attack, disarray - CNN.com talking about some of the internals wars fought within the Clinton campaign. It seems to me that with all the talk about her "experience", she couldn't make a hard decision to save her (political) life and instead, let the strifes and antagonisms fester. I do very much look forward to reading the definitive book (or Newsweek special issue) from the embedded reporter's views of the three campaigns. |
08-11-2008, 10:40 PM | #796 |
Hall Of Famer
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Decatur, GA
|
At least she didn't follow Penn's strategy... daaamn.
__________________
"A prayer for the wild at heart, kept in cages" -Tennessee Williams |
08-12-2008, 11:02 AM | #797 | |
Coordinator
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Chicagoland
|
McCain may need a nap:
Quote:
If he's elected, let's hope that "3:00 AM call" comes at 3:00 PM instead. |
|
08-12-2008, 11:10 AM | #798 |
General Manager
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: The Mountains
|
McCain really doesn't want to be talking about his sleep schedule.
|
08-12-2008, 11:38 AM | #799 | |
General Manager
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Kansas City, MO
|
George Clooney evidently is a trusted advisor to Obama on PR and foreign policy........
How George Clooney offers his 'good friend' Barack advice on Iraq | Mail Online Quote:
Last edited by Mizzou B-ball fan : 08-12-2008 at 11:41 AM. |
|
08-12-2008, 11:41 AM | #800 |
Head Coach
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: North Carolina
|
What is it about the ability to recite lines and look good that make people think that they can do anything else?
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
Thread Tools | |
|
|