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Have you read this? What Does Peter Thiel Want? Granted, this is from Gawker, so they're not exactly unbiased here. But this was...interesting: Quote:
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Sounds about as far from "looking out for the little guy" as you can get. The Education of a Libertarian | Cato Unbound Quote:
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Way to quote things out of context. Did you even read the rest after that statement?
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07-23-2016, 10:51 AM | #754 |
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wow cuervo, I knew nothing about this guy before the convention-sounds like a real wacko.
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How am I supposed to take that? If he doesn't think the two can co-exist, and he's not anti-freedom (which if he is a Libertarian, I would assume he's not), then his beef would be with democracy, no? It sounds like he is in favor of a world where capital is king, monopoly is good, and government just serves to get in the way of the creators. It sounds reasonable that he would back Trump because, well, Trump might lead to a little bit of anarchy. If that's your thing, hey, great. I'm not quite as keen on it.
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It's not like his speech was groundbreaking, he did not say anything about gay marriage or that some states can fire you for being gay. It was like one sentences about politicians using social issues to distract people. But he was still presenting it in front of a majority of people who likely use those social issues as a litmus test. Plus, the entire day before his transcript was released and talked about, so it gave everyone time to get in line and cheer.
But if he honestly believes that social issues will take a back seat, he is as crazy as he sounds.
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At any rate, I think it's somewhat clear he wants to upset the apple cart. And he seems to be against globalization.
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Seems to really have a bone to pick with zoning regulations...
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Great now we get to listen to hillary; was bad enough listening to the con man last week now we get the criminal this week.
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You know, you don't have to watch the convention.
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After hearing his speech today. Kaine seems like he might be Clinton's Jiminy Cricket. Not a bad thing, she now needs Bernie and Warren to proclaim she has no strings (attached).
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I'd be okay with that. Would convert all the Bernie supporters to Stein or not vote at all. Less votes for Hillary and Trump either way. |
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07-23-2016, 04:04 PM | #762 |
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Kaine doesn't excite me. I get he's safe.
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07-23-2016, 04:11 PM | #763 |
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Yes, that's why they hired Lewandowski.
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And Jeffrey Lord, and Scottie Nell Hughes. CNN's Scottie Nell Hughes hates Kaine's Spanish: I shouldn't have to brush up on Dora the Explorer - YouTube
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I just cannot stand the Trump "shill's" on the various news channels. Though probably the Republicans here can't stand the Clinton ones too. I tend to just tone out whatever they say because their first priority certainly is not the network they appear on. She is one of the worse too. That Dora the Explorer line was just horrible.
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I mean, this isn't entirely new - it may have predated the Clintons, but I feel like that Pandora's box was opened when ABC hired Stephanopoulos. (And for the longest time I could not stand seeing James Carville on. Hmm, and there's Donna Brazile, too.) But now, to ask avowed supporters of a candidate how they thought that candidate did or how their opponent did...I mean, what the heck do you think they're going to say? It's basically free time for them to sound off. Well, worse, the folks are getting paid to shill.
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The entire Crossfire model needs to die. It's really easy, really cheap, and takes time, so it's perfect for 24 hour news.
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Wasserman-Shultz really is a dirtbag reading through those DNC leaks. How have they not forced her to step down yet?
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Just saw she will not be speaking at the convention due to those emails. I suspect once the election is over, she will quietly be drummed out.
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Her term was already due to end after the election. I can see offering Warren the DNC Chair head.
And both Sanders and Warren will be vocal for Hillary in the Democratic Primary this week. Sanders ripped Trump a new one in Twitter on Thurs. Kaine is a well liked center-left Senator. In addition, he is strongly Catholic. So you have the very interesting phenomenon that both on Democratic ticket are strong religious left politicians facing a Republican candidate who seemingly doesn't care about religion at all (though his veep is a strong religious right person). Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk
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...and yet Trump will keep the Evangelicals, which just goes to further prove to me that Evangelicals these days really aren't all that religious. They're more like the Moose, only with more Jesus.
(I left my last church because a number of the men started open carrying to church...in case we needed to be protected during services from Muslim extremists. Let that sentence sink in for a second. Our church had 50 people in it on a good Sunday, square in the middle of Podunk, Indiana, population 3,000. Their scriptural justification was a verse about men being responsible for providing for their families, where provision means shooting motherfuckers who might try to hurt you. We've come a long way from Christians who imagined martyrdom to be the greatest sign of Christian faithfulness.) |
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Some reports that she has resigned. Doesn't seem to have made the mass media yet...
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Oops. There it is.
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Of course as far as she's concerned, mission accomplished.
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DWS and the DNC do ONE relatively wise thing in their existence ... and people call for her head.
LMFAO.
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07-24-2016, 03:41 PM | #776 |
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I'm sure she was rewarded handsomely for her efforts.
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I'm still surprised at how little coverage this is getting. I know there is bias in the media, but the leaks should be a huge story. If this was the RNC e-mails leaking, there'd be around the clock coverage.
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It should be a bigger story that the leaks were likely orchestrated by Russia Russian government hackers penetrated DNC, stole opposition research on Trump - The Washington Post
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They were mentioned on ABCNews last night. Munich got more time. As did a story of boat thieves being caught by a drone. I'd assume the resignation would be covered tonight.
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One, it's a pretty big story. I only looked a few places, but it was the top story at all of them. Two, this happens every four years for the GOP and/or Dems. No election is fair, and the political reporters that cover this stuff damn well know that.
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HRC has elite level PR management/connections but it's everywhere on the internet. Last edited by wustin : 07-24-2016 at 04:01 PM. |
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When the story popped most places covered it, but it seemed like the 10th biggest story on their sites. MSNBC and CNN didn't even have a story up for a couple days on it. Really the only major outlet I saw covering it like a big story was the Washington Post. Obviously some places like MSNBC and Politico have to hold back because they were colluding with the DNC on their coverage. Still a major rigging its primary for a candidate should be a huge story. |
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Come on. You think there aren't similar emails about Trump? What about Bush/McCain? Or Gore/Bradley?
Elections don't start from neutral and they aren't fair. This is the way it's always been.
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It's really not surprising that top-level people in a political party would prefer and work towards a nomination for someone who is actually a party member (and didn't just sign up specifically for this election). Is there any internal rules against DNC members taking sides like that? Or are they supposed to be neutral?
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I have had MSNBC on the background and it's pretty much the only thing that has been discussed all day.
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This. The neutrality Bernie wants would mean Trump could have run the exact same race as a Dem and nobody at the DNC should have said anything. Also, if you can join the party and get the same treatment as someone that's worked for decades to build relationships, why bother? Wouldn't this kill a party over the long-term?
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It really doesn't matter how much you try to rationalize it, Hillary lost a good chunk of potential Bernie supporters. Bernie endorsing Hillary after this whole shit didn't really help her case.
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They'll almost all be back come November. Every primary the loser's supporters say they won't support the nominee, and every general almost all of them do. Any Bernie supporter that chooses Trump over Clinton is a fool.
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Every time Rainmaker says the liberal media isn't covering a story, I turn on the TV or go to a news website to see them covering exactly that story.
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The problem with that idea is thinking that Bernie supporters want anything to do with the democratic party anymore this cycle. They'll vote Jill Stein or not vote at all. The ones who really hate Hillary will vote Trump. I mean this forum (and many others) mocked his supporters for their tinfoil hat theories. Any self-respecting Bernie believer has no business supporting HRC because for them it's not about beating the republicans. It's about beating the DNC establishment to make sure a true progressive represents the democratic party every 4 years. Last edited by wustin : 07-24-2016 at 08:53 PM. |
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Bernie supporters were claiming voter suppression and ballot manipulation in every state he lost. Many still refuse to accept that more people voted for Hillary than Bernie. Collusion with the DNC was a tiny part of many, many tinfoil hat theories thrown around to explain why Bernie was losing. Bernie was good for this election and he brought important talking points to the forefront. Voting Trump out of spite would throw that progress down the drain. Bernie seems smart enough to know that the best way to keep moving progressives forward is to make sure Trump doesn't get the presidency. Not all of his supporters seem to get that. |
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Ironically, that would make it harder for a true progressive to get elected. A Trump victory means a 6-3 SCOTUS majority for Citizens United. A Hillary victory means a 5-4 majority for the anti-Citizens United group. Citizens United needs to be overturned for a "true progressive", as defined by the Bernie people, to have a legitimate chance in future elections.
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OTOH it got the Tea Party roughly 50 members in Congress.
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And a demagogue for president. Congrats!
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