The NBA 2010 offseason/draft thread - Page 17

RainMaker · 07-06-2010, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

Looks like LeBron will be announcing during an ESPN special on Thursday night, proceeds going to the Boys and Girls Clubs of America: 2010 NBA free agency: Sources: LeBron James to announce decision Thursday - ESPN

It gets even more pathetic.

Noop · 07-06-2010, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It gets even more pathetic.

I agree.

Groundhog · 07-06-2010, 09:17 PM

If LeBron stays in Cleveland and New York end up with Amar'e and another B-lister all I can say is serves you right.

Celeval · 07-06-2010, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Noop

I would be amazed if LeBron ever won a championship in Cleveland, although it is not impossible but it is improbable at this point.

I've heard a lot of this, and I'm not entirely sure why. They were among the favorites coming into the season, and were knocked out this year with James hurt - I'm not saying that they would have beaten the Celtics or the Lakers with LBJ healthy, but it wouldn't have been a surprise. Why would it be a shock now?

cuervo72 · 07-06-2010, 09:21 PM

CHIP BROWN IS REPORTING LEBRON WILL ANNOUNCE HE IS JOINING THE BIG 12!!!!!!1

Coffee Warlord · 07-06-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It gets even more pathetic.

I want LeBron on the Bulls less now.

Gimme a lineup of Rose, Wade, Deng, Boozer, and Noah.

miami_fan · 07-06-2010, 09:22 PM

How the hell is Chris Bosh being rated so much higher than Pau Gasol by so many people?

DaddyTorgo · 07-06-2010, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It gets even more pathetic.

Seriously.

Although props for the donation.

Groundhog · 07-06-2010, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by miami_fan

How the hell is Chris Bosh being rated so much higher than Pau Gasol by so many people?

It has to be because Gasol plays next to Bryant, so his scoring numbers are deflated, and Odom/Bynum(when healthy) deflate the reboundings #s. He might be the best bigman in the NBA IMO. Doesn't have the flashy numbers of Howard, but has a much more complete game, and isn't a guaranteed turnover any time a PG slaps at his hands in the post.

Groundhog · 07-06-2010, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HiFiRevival

He isn't. They're essentially the same player but Bosh is 4 years younger. That should count for something.

Well, definitely wouldn't agree with that. Bosh wins on athleticism and age and maybe shooting range, Gasol wins everywhere else. Put Gasol on last season's Toronto Raptors instead of Bosh and IMO he'd exceed Bosh in every category except maybe points, and the Raptors would win more games to boot.

Groundhog · 07-06-2010, 09:46 PM

Hell, I wrote that without even checking the two player's stats. Even on a stacked team, Gasol beat Bosh in every category except points and 3pt%.

stevew · 07-06-2010, 09:46 PM

fuck him for helping out kids. Besides...teams can now start clearing space for "the Summer of 2013"

bhlloy · 07-06-2010, 09:58 PM

lol yeah, although I'm sick of the circus and can't think of anything else I'd less like to watch than an hour of this circle jerk, he deserves props for donating what is likely to be a huge amount of money to a deserving charity. if there was anything he could have done to make this whole charade less distasteful, this is probably it.

MrBug708 · 07-06-2010, 10:31 PM

That's probably why he did it, so this whole thing wouldnt be so distasteful

RainMaker · 07-06-2010, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveBollea

Without Bosh, that Toronto team wins about 4 games total all year. Same thing with Cleveland. Without LeBron, there a 20 win team. Meanwhile, without Kobe, the Laker's are still a low seed in the Western Conference playoffs.

They won 5 games without him last season (went 5-7). So that argument doesn't hold much weight.

molson · 07-06-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

I've heard a lot of this, and I'm not entirely sure why. They were among the favorites coming into the season, and were knocked out this year with James hurt - I'm not saying that they would have beaten the Celtics or the Lakers with LBJ healthy, but it wouldn't have been a surprise. Why would it be a shock now?

Ya - wouldn't it be pretty surprising if LeBron jumped ship and his new team had more wins than last season's Cavs? He certainly couldn't finish any higher in the regular season standings.

I still think the Cavs might be his best chance for a title if they can improve AT ALL. I have no idea what their cap flexibility is, though.

RainMaker · 07-06-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I want LeBron on the Bulls less now.

Gimme a lineup of Rose, Wade, Deng, Boozer, and Noah.

That's the funny thing about this whole thing. I wanted Lebron at the beginning of it pretty badly. Now I could give a shit. I'd rather have a worse team and like the players I cheer for. Plus his antics wouldn't fly in this city.

RainMaker · 07-06-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Celeval

I've heard a lot of this, and I'm not entirely sure why. They were among the favorites coming into the season, and were knocked out this year with James hurt - I'm not saying that they would have beaten the Celtics or the Lakers with LBJ healthy, but it wouldn't have been a surprise. Why would it be a shock now?

The elbow injury was bullshit. Not a single doctor found anything wrong with it. It was there for attention. He probably saw the Jordan flu game on ESPN Classic the night before.

Or maybe the real cause of the injury was "Oh shit I fucked around all season and never learned how to mesh well on the court with my teammates".

Danny · 07-06-2010, 10:55 PM

I am a Lakers fan and love Gasol, but Bosh is a better player at 26 then Gasol was. Gasol has been helped tremendously by playing with Bryant, both on the court and in his attitude rubbing off on Gasol.

k0ruptr · 07-06-2010, 11:03 PM

wow. James gets way more shit then he deserves... crazy

stevew · 07-06-2010, 11:07 PM

Whatever happens, I'm sure Chris Broussard will be right on top of the news and will break it.

rolls eyes.

RainMaker · 07-06-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

fuck him for helping out kids. Besides...teams can now start clearing space for "the Summer of 2013"

This isn't about kids. We both know that. Congrats on keeping him anyway. If it wasn't the Bulls, I wanted him to stay loyal to Cleveland and try to win one there.

Chief Rum · 07-06-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cuervo72

CHIP BROWN IS REPORTING LEBRON WILL ANNOUNCE HE IS JOINING THE BIG 12!!!!!!1

Never happen. Texas won't let LeBron start his own LeBronTV Channel.

Chief Rum · 07-06-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Whatever happens, I'm sure Chris Broussard will be right on top of the news and will break it.

rolls eyes.

Yeah, the stupidity of ESPN doesn't get any deeper than this "Breaking News" they have. Broussard reports that "insider sources" tell him LeBron's announcing on ESPN on Thursday. You mean, the insider source network exec in the cubicle two rows down?

Noop · 07-06-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by k0ruptr

wow. James gets way more shit then he deserves... crazy

I agree with you however the ESPN special kinda soured me on him. Seriously he does not need to do all of that he can just announce his decision and work on making his team better.

stevew · 07-06-2010, 11:16 PM

Anyways, obviously the Russian Billionaire isn't evil enough if the Nets don't sign LeBron.

stevew · 07-06-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, the stupidity of ESPN doesn't get any deeper than this "Breaking News" they have. Broussard reports that "insider sources" tell him LeBron's announcing on ESPN on Thursday. You mean, the insider source network exec in the cubicle two rows down?

Chris Broussard makes me miss Stephen A. Smith

Chief Rum · 07-06-2010, 11:18 PM

And speaking of stupid decisions... you know you have a crazy free agent period coming up that will center around you, and you have known it for 3-4 years now.

So of course it makes perfect sense to schedule your stupid youth camp a couple days into the free agency period, and right smack in the middle of the pre-signing period. Brilliant.

Danny · 07-06-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

The elbow injury was bullshit. Not a single doctor found anything wrong with it. It was there for attention. He probably saw the Jordan flu game on ESPN Classic the night before.

Or maybe the real cause of the injury was "Oh shit I fucked around all season and never learned how to mesh well on the court with my teammates".

Kobe played with a messed up index finger on his shooting hand for the entire playoffs. Not even sure why a sore elbow (even if he was a little hurt) would be worth bringing up.

Chief Rum · 07-06-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Anyways, obviously the Russian Billionaire isn't evil enough if the Nets don't sign LeBron.

He needs more sharks with laser beams... like Cuban has.

Chief Rum · 07-06-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Kobe played with a messed up index finger on his shooting hand for the entire playoffs. Not even sure why a sore elbow (even if he was a little hurt) would be worth bringing up.

Well, that's cuz LeBron ain't Kobe.

stevew · 07-06-2010, 11:26 PM

After Thursday, Joey Votto will be the only superstar still playing in Ohio

Vince, Pt. II · 07-07-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Noop

That's why I listed him fourth because he is about as close to that level without being at that level. One more season like the past one and he leaps into the top the tier.

Good point.

Chief Rum · 07-07-2010, 01:17 AM

Clips have apparently hired Vinny Del Negro as their next coach.

Neon_Chaos · 07-07-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by stevew

Plus he looks like a Predator.

He cut off his dreads during the offseason.

M GO BLUE!!! · 07-07-2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Clips have apparently hired Vinny Del Negro as their next coach.

I must have missed the ESPN prime time special announcing this, but it does explain the groups of people setting off fireworks tonight.

LeBron needs to up the ante a bit... PPV? Maybe while he dons a crown of solid gold with a toga made from the silk from a long extinct species. He shall thus walk on a bed of diamond encrusted gold coins bearing his likeness, tenderly tossed in his path by the purest virgin beauties nature has ever allowed to grace this earth.

larrymcg421 · 07-07-2010, 01:54 AM

I'd love to see the difference in retention rates for the 10pm Sportscenter on Thursday night in New York and Cleveland.

RainMaker · 07-07-2010, 02:06 AM

For the Bosh/Pau comparision, I'm not sure why you guys are putting Bosh so close. I'll give you that he's more athletic than Pau, but on everything else Gasol is the winner. He's a better post scorer, rebounder, and defender. Better passer too. He's just a better player in almost every facet of the game.

Atocep · 07-07-2010, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

For the Bosh/Pau comparision, I'm not sure why you guys are putting Bosh so close. I'll give you that he's more athletic than Pau, but on everything else Gasol is the winner. He's a better post scorer, rebounder, and defender. Better passer too. He's just a better player in almost every facet of the game.

Their virtually identical offensive rebounders and Bosh has a decent edge in defensive rebounding. Gasol is a better passer, but also is playing with far better teammates right now and turns the ball over more while Bosh gets a few more steals. Their true shooting percentages were nearly identical as well this past season.

The players so similar it's kind of eerie. Gasol was thought of as a soft big man that would never win anything in the NBA while he was Memphis. He got out of Memphis, surrounded by better players, and he's arguably a top 10 guy now. If he was still in Memphis he'd be an afterthought.

RainMaker · 07-07-2010, 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Their virtually identical offensive rebounders and Bosh has a decent edge in defensive rebounding. Gasol is a better passer, but also is playing with far better teammates right now and turns the ball over more while Bosh gets a few more steals. Their true shooting percentages were nearly identical as well this past season.

The players so similar it's kind of eerie. Gasol was thought of as a soft big man that would never win anything in the NBA while he was Memphis. He got out of Memphis, surrounded by better players, and he's arguably a top 10 guy now. If he was still in Memphis he'd be an afterthought.

Gasol was a top 10 guy in Memphis, it's just he didn't get enough media attention for the casual fan to realize it. It's why so many people were pissed when they gave him away for nothing. He also led a couple pretty bad teams to the playoffs in a really tough conference.

Don't get me wrong, Bosh is a really good player, but I think people are going to be disappointed next year if he's in Miami to see that they aren't going to be that great.

Atocep · 07-07-2010, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Gasol was a top 10 guy in Memphis, it's just he didn't get enough media attention for the casual fan to realize it.

Sounds just like Bosh.

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

It's why so many people were pissed when they gave him away for nothing.

They were pissed because of who he went to and what they got for him. If he had gone to a non-contender for nothing no one would have said a thing. It was Gasol; the soft big guy that was never going to win.

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

He also led a couple pretty bad teams to the playoffs in a really tough conference.

And they won a grand total of zero playoff games in 3 trips with him there. It's a big part of why people were convinced he wasn't a winner. The Raptors have made it to the playoffs twice with Bosh and never made it out of the first round. Neither one really has much to brag about.

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Originally Posted by RainMaker

Don't get me wrong, Bosh is a really good player, but I think people are going to be disappointed next year if he's in Miami to see that they aren't going to be that great.

Bosh is one of the top 10 players in the NBA. He'll be a top 10 player if he goes to Miami whether people are disappointed or not.

jbergey22 · 07-07-2010, 03:09 AM

Pau works well in a system where he doesnt have to be "the man." Hes a great mid range shooter, hes very good facing the basket, great at tipping the ball around the hoop, and a solid passer. In Memphis he had to play a role he wasnt that great at.(feature scorer) How Bosh can adjust his game when he isnt "the man" is an unknown at this point.

Atocep · 07-07-2010, 03:12 AM

If Bosh had been traded at the deadline to Cleveland for JJ Hickson, Daniel Gibson, and 2 draft picks I'm fairly certain we'd be viewing both Lebron and Bosh differently. Just as people are Kobe and Gasol now.

Ronnie Dobbs2 · 07-07-2010, 06:42 AM

Chris Broussard *ahem* is reporting that sources *ahem* say Bosh to join Wade in Miami.

NBA Free Agents: Source: Chris Bosh to join Dwyane Wade with Miami Heat - ESPN

RainMaker · 07-07-2010, 07:17 AM

Looks like it's official. Wonder if Lebron joins them.

Marmel · 07-07-2010, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Atocep

Bosh is one of the top 10 players in the NBA. He'll be a top 10 player if he goes to Miami whether people are disappointed or not.

I'm not much of an NBA fan, but this is crazy.

Which of these guys is Bosh better than?

Kobe
Wade
LeBron
Chris Paul
Carmelo
Deron Williams
Dwight Howard
Kevin Durant
Dirk
Amare
Steve Nash
Brandon Roy
Tim Duncan

Thats a quick 13. I am sure I am missing a couple guys which would not even put Bosh in the top 15.

whomario · 07-07-2010, 07:45 AM

Sign and Trade or direct signing will be a big question as in a sign and trade i suppose they send Beasley and Chalmers the Raptors way, leaving them with more holes to fill, although with the money Beasley got you might find a decent veteran wingplayer (Mike Miller ?).

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07-06-2010, 09:46 PM	#812
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	Hell, I wrote that without even checking the two player's stats. Even on a stacked team, Gasol beat Bosh in every category except points and 3pt%. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

07-06-2010, 11:03 PM	#822
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07-06-2010, 09:46 PM	#813
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	fuck him for helping out kids. Besides...teams can now start clearing space for "the Summer of 2013"

07-06-2010, 09:58 PM	#814
bhlloy Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2003	lol yeah, although I'm sick of the circus and can't think of anything else I'd less like to watch than an hour of this circle jerk, he deserves props for donating what is likely to be a huge amount of money to a deserving charity. if there was anything he could have done to make this whole charade less distasteful, this is probably it.

07-06-2010, 10:31 PM	#815
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	That's probably why he did it, so this whole thing wouldnt be so distasteful

07-06-2010, 10:55 PM	#821
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I am a Lakers fan and love Gasol, but Bosh is a better player at 26 then Gasol was. Gasol has been helped tremendously by playing with Bryant, both on the court and in his attitude rubbing off on Gasol.

07-06-2010, 11:07 PM	#823
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Whatever happens, I'm sure Chris Broussard will be right on top of the news and will break it. rolls eyes.

07-06-2010, 11:16 PM	#828
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	Anyways, obviously the Russian Billionaire isn't evil enough if the Nets don't sign LeBron.

07-06-2010, 11:18 PM	#830
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	And speaking of stupid decisions... you know you have a crazy free agent period coming up that will center around you, and you have known it for 3-4 years now. So of course it makes perfect sense to schedule your stupid youth camp a couple days into the free agency period, and right smack in the middle of the pre-signing period. Brilliant. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

07-06-2010, 11:26 PM	#834
stevew Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: the yo'	After Thursday, Joey Votto will be the only superstar still playing in Ohio

07-07-2010, 01:17 AM	#836
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Clips have apparently hired Vinny Del Negro as their next coach. __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

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07-07-2010, 02:06 AM	#840
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	For the Bosh/Pau comparision, I'm not sure why you guys are putting Bosh so close. I'll give you that he's more athletic than Pau, but on everything else Gasol is the winner. He's a better post scorer, rebounder, and defender. Better passer too. He's just a better player in almost every facet of the game.

07-07-2010, 03:09 AM	#845
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	Pau works well in a system where he doesnt have to be "the man." Hes a great mid range shooter, hes very good facing the basket, great at tipping the ball around the hoop, and a solid passer. In Memphis he had to play a role he wasnt that great at.(feature scorer) How Bosh can adjust his game when he isnt "the man" is an unknown at this point.

07-07-2010, 03:12 AM	#846
Atocep Coordinator Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Puyallup, WA	If Bosh had been traded at the deadline to Cleveland for JJ Hickson, Daniel Gibson, and 2 draft picks I'm fairly certain we'd be viewing both Lebron and Bosh differently. Just as people are Kobe and Gasol now.

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07-07-2010, 07:17 AM	#848
RainMaker General Manager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Chicago, IL	Looks like it's official. Wonder if Lebron joins them.

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