Werewolf LI Major League (GAME OVER!!! INDIANS--GOOD GUYS--WIN!!!) - Page 17

path12 · 08-09-2007, 05:12 PM

Dola, Jack Parkman thinks it's such a bad idea that he will:

VOTE LATHUM

Who should know better.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

It's 8-2 right now. Worst case it is 6-2 after a night kill tonight. Very worst case is 4-2 after two days and nights. Jack Parkman would have no problem with any reveal then.

But Jack Parkman is convinced that encouraging the idea when it is 8-2 and we have won two games is not in the best interest of the team.

The wolves have a 1 in 8 shot of hitting the seer tonight. If he goes without us learning anything from his scans, do you really think we have a shot at winning?

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

The wolves have a 1 in 8 shot of hitting the seer tonight. If he goes without us learning anything from his scans, do you really think we have a shot at winning?

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

Because you want to give the seer the chance to find a wolf. A 1 in 8 shot is 12.5%. Assuming that at least one of his prior scans are still alive (a fair assumption), he's got a 25% chance of hitting a wolf (2 in 8). Jack Parkman will take those odds every time.

Calling on a reveal now is a panicky move if you are a villager. And you've never struck Jack Parkman as a panicky person.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

And why would the seer want to wait two more days to reveal? The seer needs to reveal as soon as possible before it's too late.

Jack Parkman can't help but mentally add "so we can kill him" to the end of this sentence.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Because you want to give the seer the chance to find a wolf. A 1 in 8 shot is 12.5%. Assuming that at least one of his prior scans are still alive (a fair assumption), he's got a 25% chance of hitting a wolf (2 in 8). Jack Parkman will take those odds every time.

Calling on a reveal now is a panicky move if you are a villager. And you've never struck Jack Parkman as a panicky person.

What would prevent the seer from scanning tonight? From what I can tell, the BG is still around and can protect the seer, so you still get the 25% shot at nailing a wolf, plus you get a CoT.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

What would prevent the seer from scanning tonight? From what I can tell, the BG is still around and can protect the seer, so you still get the 25% shot at nailing a wolf, plus you get a CoT.

Jack Parkman cannot believe you are arguing this point. There is little risk and much more benefit to letting the seer do their job. The BG will likely be around tomorrow also -- then he could get in two views and a larger CoT.

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 05:49 PM

I think Pass's play has been quite different, now that it's been pointed out, this game compared to others. I think I'll go with him for now.

Vote Pass

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I think Pass's play has been quite different, now that it's been pointed out, this game compared to others. I think I'll go with him for now.

Vote Pass

I'm honestly interested to hear how so.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 06:36 PM

Jack Parkman is stepping out to visit a children's hospital, because Jack Parkman believes in kids. But he hopes there are no droolers this time. Jack Parkman hates the droolers.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:00 PM

Pedro Cerrano didn't realize there are people who don't believe in kids. They are everywhere, you can't go to the ballpark without seeing them? How is this even up for debate???

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:04 PM

Vote count, as of Post #810.

Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807)
Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801)
Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658)
Path - JE (746)
KWhit - Gonzo (784)

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:05 PM

OK, do we absolutely, positively know that there are two wolves in this game? I'm going back to look at the rules on this - we know there are at least two wolves, as they have been named (owner and GM). But does two starting wolves in a game of 14, with four good guy roles sound like a well-balanced game? With that information, I would expect three wolves.

Three wolves vs two wolves makes for a completely different discussion on the seer reveal strategy.

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 08:10 PM

I would agree three wolves is more likely.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:11 PM

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Not all are on your side. Phelps and Donovan are around to cause trouble, and you have seen signs not everyone in the clubhouse is giving their all. Is there one amongst you whom has succumbed to a bribe? Or is someone half assing it in expectation of a sweetheart deal from Phelps in the offseason?

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If Phelps and her cronies get as many in their numbers as team members left playing, you will fail to catch the Yankees--and that's a certainty.

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Roles and allegiance are not related to the character names. The only characters that are absolutely allied one way are Rachel Phelps and Charlie Donovan, the owner and GM, and they will be wolves.

Nothing that I found stating two wolves, although this has been widely (and I believe erroneously) assumed.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:13 PM

If there are in fact three wolves out there, then just about everyone out there has a special role.

Also, re-reading the rules seems to indicate the Duke can block any lynch, not just save himself.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:14 PM

Not much is happening, so it's time to put in a self-preservation vote.

VOTE LATHUM

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:17 PM

I have heard Purdue indicate that he will step it up tonight as well. I would like to see Gonzo step it up, as I don't believe he has done so yet and it would be nice to know if people can jump me in the "key player" stuff so we can look to them to help win a future game.

After that, if there is anyone else who has not yet stepped it up I would like to see them give it a shot tonight as well.

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 08:20 PM

hey all. My internet's been a bit fluky here the last hour. Taking a full minute to load the forum and all

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 08:25 PM

okay. We're down to like ~ 35 seconds to load.

damm...i still have no idea who to vote for.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:28 PM

Maybe this will help, DT. I'm not necessariy expecting all results are locked in, but this is where we are with a little over 30 to go.

Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801), Pass (816)
Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807)
Hoops - Purdue (636)
Torgo - Lathum (658)
Path - JE (746)
KWhit - Gonzo (784)

Barkeep49 · 08-09-2007, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

If there are in fact three wolves out there, then just about everyone out there has a special role.

Also, re-reading the rules seems to indicate the Duke can block any lynch, not just save himself.

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These roles will be handed out at random, and can end on any player in the game.

Do we take this to mean that it's possible that a wolf has one of the roles? This could be the balancing mechanism for only 2 wolves, as the source material would only suggest two bad guys.

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 08:34 PM

my internet is sucking ass.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:37 PM

Had not considered that, BK. Perhaps Chief Rum will answer that question for us?

It would seem especially odd to have a seer/BG wolf ...

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:39 PM

This has been a strange day. I definitely expected more overall tension/suspense than we have seen over the last 6-8 hours.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Do we take this to mean that it's possible that a wolf has one of the roles? This could be the balancing mechanism for only 2 wolves, as the source material would only suggest two bad guys.

That's gotta be a typo, or just not thought out. I can't imagine that whether or not the seer is a wolf or villager would be left to chance.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

This has been a strange day. I definitely expected more overall tension/suspense than we have seen over the last 6-8 hours.

Try sitting in my seat.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 08:48 PM

I just got home. Is there anything dire I need to be aware of?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:49 PM

You would probably have a vested interest in Post #820 (voting recap).

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:51 PM

Lathum, you'll probably want to vote for me.

Hoops and Barkeep -- are you still sure you trust Lathum, the one wanting the seer to reveal, over me, the one NOT wanting the seer to reveal?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:52 PM

Pass, I don't see that as a huge concern - I stated that I was fine with the seer revealing today, especially if he could reveal three people.

I'm mildly concerned about the fact that people have continued to assume there are only two wolves in attacking the premise.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:52 PM

Reveal 3 = including himself, as he has only gotten two views.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:53 PM

Gonzo and path are good.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 08:54 PM

Are you claiming to be the seer now?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:55 PM

Not a lot of time for people to dispute here.

Pass, where would you like to see the vote here. My assertion earlier was that if both you and KWhit are good then I suck at this game. So I would probably take a shot there if I'm moving.

Chief Rum · 08-09-2007, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Had not considered that, BK. Perhaps Chief Rum will answer that question for us?

It would seem especially odd to have a seer/BG wolf ...

I'm not going to spell anything outright, but this is a standard WW game underneath the hood.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:55 PM

Pass, can you cite someplace where you left hints about you as seer or about either of those two being good?

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:56 PM

I really feel like I need you to vote Lathum to keep me alive.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 08:56 PM

gah

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO
VOTE PASS

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 08:57 PM

IF I AM LYNCHED LOOK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WAITED UNTIL AFTER I ANNOUNCED I WAS LEAVING TO JUMP ON ME.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Pass, can you cite someplace where you left hints about you as seer or about either of those two being good?

No. I didn't want to drop hints -- that's a dangerous game. And neither of them were in real danger. You will notice, though, that I was after JE more than Gonzo, when talking about quiet people.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 08:57 PM

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

If you really are the seer, you should have come out much earlier than this.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:57 PM

Lathum, JE, BK - I take it none of you guys are calling BS on the seer reveal here?

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

UNVOTE PATH
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

If you really are the seer, you should have come out much earlier than this.

That seems wolfish.

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

No. I didn't want to drop hints -- that's a dangerous game. And neither of them were in real danger. You will notice, though, that I was after JE more than Gonzo, when talking about quiet people.

Are you saying you scanned me and I came up a wolf? Now I know you're lying.

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 08:58 PM

While I think KWhit's acting wolfish, I also think that Lathum's most probably a villager and it would therefore be a bad idea to lynch him. I'm voting Pass.

UNVOTE KWHIT
VOTE PASSACAGLIA

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

VOTE DADDYTORGO

I'll move it if someone wakes up and reveals some juicy night actions. Also, JE and Gonzo still worry me a little.

I'm calling BS - vote stays for now unless you explain awfully quickly how you were protecting Gonzo here by listing him in this post from 6AM.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 08:59 PM

I've got 4, Lathum has 3. Tiebreak kills me. Hoops -- I need you to vote lathum.

Passacaglia · 08-09-2007, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Are you saying you scanned me and I came up a wolf? Now I know you're lying.

Two scans. Gonzo and path. It's not about you.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 09:00 PM

Better respond to my post awfully quickly, then.

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 09:00 PM

I can't save you anyway - there are five votes on you now and you lose the tie-break.

08-09-2007, 05:12 PM	#801
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Dola, Jack Parkman thinks it's such a bad idea that he will: VOTE LATHUM Who should know better. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-09-2007, 06:36 PM	#809
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Jack Parkman is stepping out to visit a children's hospital, because Jack Parkman believes in kids. But he hopes there are no droolers this time. Jack Parkman hates the droolers. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-09-2007, 05:49 PM	#807
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I think Pass's play has been quite different, now that it's been pointed out, this game compared to others. I think I'll go with him for now. Vote Pass

08-09-2007, 08:00 PM	#810
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pedro Cerrano didn't realize there are people who don't believe in kids. They are everywhere, you can't go to the ballpark without seeing them? How is this even up for debate???

08-09-2007, 08:04 PM	#811
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Vote count, as of Post #810. Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807) Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801) Hoops - Purdue (636) Torgo - Lathum (658) Path - JE (746) KWhit - Gonzo (784)

08-09-2007, 08:05 PM	#812
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	OK, do we absolutely, positively know that there are two wolves in this game? I'm going back to look at the rules on this - we know there are at least two wolves, as they have been named (owner and GM). But does two starting wolves in a game of 14, with four good guy roles sound like a well-balanced game? With that information, I would expect three wolves. Three wolves vs two wolves makes for a completely different discussion on the seer reveal strategy.

08-09-2007, 08:10 PM	#813
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I would agree three wolves is more likely.

08-09-2007, 08:13 PM	#815
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	If there are in fact three wolves out there, then just about everyone out there has a special role. Also, re-reading the rules seems to indicate the Duke can block any lynch, not just save himself.

08-09-2007, 08:14 PM	#816
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Not much is happening, so it's time to put in a self-preservation vote. VOTE LATHUM

08-09-2007, 08:17 PM	#817
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I have heard Purdue indicate that he will step it up tonight as well. I would like to see Gonzo step it up, as I don't believe he has done so yet and it would be nice to know if people can jump me in the "key player" stuff so we can look to them to help win a future game. After that, if there is anyone else who has not yet stepped it up I would like to see them give it a shot tonight as well.

08-09-2007, 08:20 PM	#818
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	hey all. My internet's been a bit fluky here the last hour. Taking a full minute to load the forum and all

08-09-2007, 08:25 PM	#819
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	okay. We're down to like ~ 35 seconds to load. damm...i still have no idea who to vote for.

08-09-2007, 08:28 PM	#820
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Maybe this will help, DT. I'm not necessariy expecting all results are locked in, but this is where we are with a little over 30 to go. Lathum - KWhit (781), Path (801), Pass (816) Pass - Hoops (743), Barkeep (807) Hoops - Purdue (636) Torgo - Lathum (658) Path - JE (746) KWhit - Gonzo (784)

08-09-2007, 08:34 PM	#822
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	my internet is sucking ass.

08-09-2007, 08:37 PM	#823
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Had not considered that, BK. Perhaps Chief Rum will answer that question for us? It would seem especially odd to have a seer/BG wolf ...

08-09-2007, 08:39 PM	#824
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	This has been a strange day. I definitely expected more overall tension/suspense than we have seen over the last 6-8 hours.

08-09-2007, 08:48 PM	#827
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just got home. Is there anything dire I need to be aware of?

08-09-2007, 08:49 PM	#828
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	You would probably have a vested interest in Post #820 (voting recap).

08-09-2007, 08:51 PM	#829
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Lathum, you'll probably want to vote for me. Hoops and Barkeep -- are you still sure you trust Lathum, the one wanting the seer to reveal, over me, the one NOT wanting the seer to reveal?

08-09-2007, 08:52 PM	#830
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, I don't see that as a huge concern - I stated that I was fine with the seer revealing today, especially if he could reveal three people. I'm mildly concerned about the fact that people have continued to assume there are only two wolves in attacking the premise.

08-09-2007, 08:52 PM	#831
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Reveal 3 = including himself, as he has only gotten two views.

08-09-2007, 08:53 PM	#832
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Gonzo and path are good.

08-09-2007, 08:54 PM	#833
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	Are you claiming to be the seer now?

08-09-2007, 08:55 PM	#834
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Not a lot of time for people to dispute here. Pass, where would you like to see the vote here. My assertion earlier was that if both you and KWhit are good then I suck at this game. So I would probably take a shot there if I'm moving.

08-09-2007, 08:55 PM	#836
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Pass, can you cite someplace where you left hints about you as seer or about either of those two being good?

08-09-2007, 08:56 PM	#837
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I really feel like I need you to vote Lathum to keep me alive.

08-09-2007, 08:56 PM	#838
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	gah UNVOTE DADDYTORGO VOTE PASS

08-09-2007, 08:57 PM	#839
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	IF I AM LYNCHED LOOK TO THE PEOPLE WHO WAITED UNTIL AFTER I ANNOUNCED I WAS LEAVING TO JUMP ON ME.

08-09-2007, 08:57 PM	#841
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	UNVOTE PATH VOTE PASSACAGLIA If you really are the seer, you should have come out much earlier than this.

08-09-2007, 08:57 PM	#842
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Lathum, JE, BK - I take it none of you guys are calling BS on the seer reveal here?

08-09-2007, 08:58 PM	#845
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	While I think KWhit's acting wolfish, I also think that Lathum's most probably a villager and it would therefore be a bad idea to lynch him. I'm voting Pass. UNVOTE KWHIT VOTE PASSACAGLIA

08-09-2007, 08:59 PM	#847
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	I've got 4, Lathum has 3. Tiebreak kills me. Hoops -- I need you to vote lathum.