2024 NFL Season Thread

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Not able to watch the Sunday Night game. Is Wilson playing as poorly as his stats would indicate?

His stats look pretty good right now but I also wonder if he has played well. The running game has been looked pretty good when I glance at that box on the TV.

Is Rodgers deciding that someone is getting fired or traded for this loss?

[RainMaker]

Who is Rodgers going to blame for this loss?

[albionmoonlight]

When you’re trying to remember Jordy Nelson’s phone number. pic.twitter.com/Cm4d4qfCEe

— Mike Beauvais (@MikeBeauvais) October 21, 2024

[Ksyrup]

Athletic said something like, what's next, Rodgers trying to lure Jordy Nelson off the family farm?

[Arles]

It's so funny that the younger QBs like Purdy, Love & Stroud always fall on the sword if their WR or lineman makes a mistake. All three mentioned have done it multiple times year. Yet Rodgers is incapable of ever taking any blame for anything. It's like he feels he's so perfect that any loss is clearly a result of others not performing to his level.

I'm sure that's a great atmosphere to create in your locker room as well.

[albionmoonlight]

Tua planning to come back.

He's a grown man making an informed choice (with, I am sure, about a billion people in his ear advising him).

I hope for the best and fear for the worst.

[miami_fan]

I was trying to figure how to make a smart ass comment about the Panthers being shitty with Andy Daulton at QB but I think the stats might just suffice.

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG
Andy Dalton-11/16 93 5.8 0 2 2-4 3.2 44.0

Bryce Young 2/2 -4 -2.0 0 0 0-0 72.9 79.2

[Solecismic]

I'm not getting the sense Rodgers is blaming others completely. He made some comments about the team seeming to be flat going into Pittsburgh, but he also said he has to lead them through it and it is understandable after the sudden firing of a head coach who had not lost the locker room.

After the game, he made the appropriate noises about needing to play better himself. And he took some shots at the media, which he always does. It's a good thing that he is such a lock for the HoF, because he'd get the Dick Allen treatment if it were close.

It's a tough situation for him. He was brought in to win a Super Bowl for the Jets, got hurt. Now that he's back, he's clearly aging. Can't blame him for wanting Adams and Lazard around. You have to trust him to know the difference between good enough to win and good enough to be a serious threat to win the Super Bowl.

It's starting to fall apart for him, the wolves are circling and he can't disappear into a sensory deprivation tank. It's probably undeserved, but I feel a little sorry for him.

Tua... what scares me is the way he went down last time. It didn't look like much. What do they always say about the brain? It's like a Jell-O mold bouncing around in a hard shell. Yes, he's a "grown-ass man" (that term always makes me laugh) and he should be free to decide. But I worry about the defensive lineman who could end his life on a completely clean play. That would be hell to carry around with you. He won't even wear the guardian cap, which would be a powerful statement that other players would understand. I don't like this at all.

[Arles]

Yeah, he was better after Pitt, but the Buffalo loss was pretty rough from him. Basically putting it all on Mike Williams.

I've always struggled to see why teams like the Jets (and even the Bears) always seem to lose with talented skilled guys. I think it is some kind of organizational philosophy I can't quite pinpoint. When you look at the consistently good teams over the past 10+ years, you see organizations like NE (with Bill), GB, SF and KC that keep a high level of play (esp on both lines) regardless of the players. Detroit is starting to get there too. If you look at GB and KC specifically, their O-line is full of mid round picks (with no 1st rounders starting), yet they consistently play well.

There has to be some reason for this. Bringing in the Bears, two of their former guards (deemed not good enough) have been highly rated players on other teams this year. The Jets also never seem to have this despite having 1st and 2nd round picks on their OL.

[RainMaker]

So what is Carolina's plan? Are they just giving up on Young? I understand maybe sitting him a few games to reset but this is just bizarre.

[flere-imsaho]

It's kind of funny how the race to be the worst team is so much more compelling this year than the race to be the best team, which KC appears to be winning by basically trolling the rest of the league.

I mean, the Patriots, Jets, Raiders, Browns, Jaguars, Titans, Giants, Panthers & Saints are all making quite a run....

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So what is Carolina's plan? Are they just giving up on Young? I understand maybe sitting him a few games to reset but this is just bizarre.

I'm not even sure what they can do at this point.

Easily the most wrong I've ever been about a drafted player, probably at any position much less QB.

In 18 career starts (I believe that's right) he's basically had ONE game where he looked remotely like the QB they drafted. And since that game vs GB late last year, he's started 4 times with 0TD/4INT

[GrantDawg]

All of Vegas' problems are solved. They just signed Desmond Ridder off the Cardinals practice squad. Raiders Super Bowl bound.

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[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

All of Vegas' problems are solved. They just signed Desmond Ridder off the Cardinals practice squad. Raiders Super Bowl bound.

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Damn! He was the Cards secret weapon!

[GrantDawg]

Cards in free fall!

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[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

I'm not even sure what they can do at this point.

Easily the most wrong I've ever been about a drafted player, probably at any position much less QB.

In 18 career starts (I believe that's right) he's basically had ONE game where he looked remotely like the QB they drafted. And since that game vs GB late last year, he's started 4 times with 0TD/4INT

I wonder if he has any trade value at all. Like would the Dolphins toss them a 3rd round pick to see if they can make him an insurance policy for Tua?

The Panthers don't even have their 2nd round pick next draft which is brutal. What a mess that whole trade was.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

So what is Carolina's plan? Are they just giving up on Young? I understand maybe sitting him a few games to reset but this is just bizarre.

Maybe they should try to execute the Bears' plan for Caleb?

I feel like Carolina is more done with Bryce Young seven games into his second year in the league than the Bears were with Justin Fields forty games in at the end of last season. Carolina should probably go about stripping things down as much as possible while gathering all of the assets they can. Give Bryce every chance possible if for no other reason than he is already there and may help you get the number one pick. Ideally, you find your new prospect right around the time Young's contract is up and drop the new guy into a ready made situation.

I have no idea how the Panthers find a sucker to give them a #1 receiver and a slew of draft picks including the top pick in the draft. As far as Bryce's future in the league? I would love to say he could be a NFL QB like I said about Fields but I really don't think that will be the case. The limited times I have seen him in the pros I see a best case scenario of Chad Pennington in a Dolphins uniform. I don't mean putting up those sort of numbers. I mean how Chad played during his time Dolphins.

[Ksyrup]

Jameson Williams suspended 2 games for PED violation.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Jameson Williams suspended 2 games for PED violation.

That young fella gonna fuck & around and end up outta the league if he don't get his shit together.

[RainMaker]

Not sure I'd have had my starters out there. Brutal injury.

[Thomkal]

Murray threw for less than 200 yards and Harrison not making many big plays. Disturbing trends.

[albionmoonlight]

I'd be fascinated to see a study done as objectively as possible to try and determine the extent to which the NFL is just an RNG injury simulator.

Something like this:

Take the opening day of training camp projected roster.
Give every projected starter a value
--Maybe weight players' value by position?
--Give QB an extra bonus
--Try to account for valuable players (Maybe by last year's all-pro team or top five salary at position or something like that)

The point is--try and come up with an objective value for starting lineups players before training camp starts

Then simply give each team a score at the end of the season--[starters value * games lost to injury]

And see how strong of a correlation exists between that number and teams that make the playoffs.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Not sure I'd have had my starters out there. Brutal injury.

I can see the argument that the coach is trying to instill a "we never quit" mindset in the team.

Down two scores with a minute left is, IMO, right on the border of whether you keep fighting or not.

The bigger issue, to me, was keeping Evans out there when he was limping after his touchdown. Hamstrings ALWAYS get aggravated when you try and play through them. The Godwin injury was a freak play. The Evans injury was inevitable.

[Honolulu_Blue]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Jameson Williams suspended 2 games for PED violation.

Damn it, Jamo!

I love you so much! Get it together.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I can see the argument that the coach is trying to instill a "we never quit" mindset in the team.

Down two scores with a minute left is, IMO, right on the border of whether you keep fighting or not.

The bigger issue, to me, was keeping Evans out there when he was limping after his touchdown. Hamstrings ALWAYS get aggravated when you try and play through them. The Godwin injury was a freak play. The Evans injury was inevitable.

I agree with this but I would go further. I would say it is not even right on the border especially when you are going up against this Ravens team that are known for allowing teams to come back on them at the end of games. If Godwin does not get hurt, we are not talking about it. Now the Giants having Malik Nabers running routes to catch passes from Drew Lock with three minutes left in that game against the Eagles? That is a fireable offense.

[Danny]

Watching Tua's oress conference, I dont see this ending well for him. Im pretty sure the only way he stops playing is if he is not allowed to. His mindset, the traditionally seen as tough, is likely to not end well for him unfortunately.

[CrimsonFox]

I don't know how either of the Ravens and Buccaneers are 4-2. But man the Ravens really hit hard

[Ksyrup]

Athletic is reporting the Rams are open to trading Kupp for 2nd.

[QuikSand]

"fuck them picks" until we can't win then "fuck them stars"

[Atocep]

I can't help but wonder what Derrick Henry's stats look like if he played his entire career in Baltimore.

[flere-imsaho]

Jamal Lewis with longevity.

[stevew]

Baltimore always seems like it has injured running backs. Gotta go back to about 2019 to find someone who survived the season. Is the turf there kinda garbage?

[Ksyrup]

Apparently Hopkins to the Chiefs is all but done. Statistically this year, barely an upgrade from Levis to Mahomes. I'm sure he's conflicted about the move.

[albionmoonlight]

Saints extend Kamara.

That ends any trade speculation.

Pretty sure that extending a 29 yo. RB is not the move that this team should have made.

But I guess he wanted to be there, and the team wanted him to stick around, and the money was good, so they just went ahead and did it.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Saints extend Kamara.

That ends any trade speculation.

Pretty sure that extending a 29 yo. RB is not the move that this team should have made.

But I guess he wanted to be there, and the team wanted him to stick around, and the money was good, so they just went ahead and did it.

I assumed release or trade was coming because of the cap situation. The Saints have made digging out of cap hell an annual thing but it just kicks the can down the road. Barnwell touched on their cap situation and how they're probably adding 2 years to any eventual rebuild with how they manage the cap.

[QuikSand]

Tampa Bay oughtta get on the horn with Carolina stat and inquire about Diontae Johnson. Do it.

[QuikSand]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Apparently Hopkins to the Chiefs is all but done. Statistically this year, barely an upgrade from Levis to Mahomes. I'm sure he's conflicted about the move.

I'm actually optimistic about this.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Tampa Bay oughtta get on the horn with Carolina stat and inquire about Diontae Johnson. Do it.

Everybody should be trying to trade with Carolina for their few good players-time to start the rebuild

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

Everybody should be trying to trade with Carolina for their few good players-time to start the rebuild

Speaking of Carolina, look like they are back to Bryce Young, Dalton is out with a thumb injury

[RainMaker]

Hopkins to the Chiefs seems like a perfect fit. He's not what he was but gives Mahomes a reliable target which they really need. And the cost is minor (5th round?).

Don't understand the Kamara extension. For a team already in cap hell that needs a rebuild, it just seems like a mistake to sign a back at that age. Trading him for a pick and moving on feels like the smart move.

[Carman Bulldog]

How many recent cases are there where teams have seemingly written off quarterbacks too early?

Sam Darnold, Geno Smith, Justin Fields (maybe), and to an extent, Baker Mayfield and Jared Goff. In some of these cases at least (Rams, Bears), I think the move was certainly justifiable for different reasons.

Also, while I don't watch college, people who do just seemed to have so many glowing comments in regards to Young and his likelihood for success in the NFL (so JIMGA, you're not alone there). To me, Young has always seemed too small and even though him and Kyler have similar size profiles statistically, Murray just seems so much thicker. I'm also generally in favour of teams avoiding the sunk cost fallacy.

All that said, it just kind of boggles my mind that the Panthers gave up so much for Young and are ready to move on after 18 starts while he's still 23 years old. Especially when they've given such little support in terms of what they've surrounded him with.

[AlexB]

Are there more injuries this year, or is it just more injuries to prominent players? Or just more injuries to players on my fantasy roster?

The finger in the air test suggests seems a very high rate this year, but not sure if fact backs that up

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by AlexB

Are there more injuries this year, or is it just more injuries to prominent players? Or just more injuries to players on my fantasy roster?

The finger in the air test suggests seems a very high rate this year, but not sure if fact backs that up

Three of my top 4 picks have had significant injuries this year, so yes.

[CrimsonFox]

any hot takes or indepth analysis for this weekends games?

[flere-imsaho]

In a huge surprise, the Chiefs offense is going to blow out the Raiders.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

In a huge surprise, the Chiefs offense is going to blow out the Raiders.

I hope so. Hopefully they go 2-15 and can finally take their shot at a franchise QB. The team has some talent on the roster but terrible QB play (and a bad OC that needs to be replaced).

[Danny]

Funny enough the last team to beat the Chiefs and the last team to beat the Ravens, is one in the same, the Raiders.

[RainMaker]

Who is projected to be the top QB taken? Seems like a weird class.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Who is projected to be the top QB taken? Seems like a weird class.

Shadeur Sanders has put a little distance between him and everyone else. I think he clearly has the best arm and skillset in this draft. You just have to deal with Deion.

Cam Ward has probably helped himself the most this year. He's probably moved ahead of Beck and Ewers to be the 2nd QB. Beck hasn't helped himself much with turnovers and some stretches of poor/mediocre play. Ewers has been really bad at times this year.

[Danny]

I love Ward. Ward and Sanders are my top two. Unsure of the others, would probably lean Beck third.