The Pet Peeves Thread

[Lathum]

When people have a half car length in front of them at the drive through and they don't pull up so you can't get close enough to order. Bonus points if the person working the drive through tries to get your order as if you should scream it from 5 feet away.

[molson]

"Tell me X without telling me X".

What can I do to make that stop?

[stevew]

What is Yahoo's obsession with plus sized model Ashley Graham. She's seemingly featured every week, "naked".

[stevew]

Originally Posted by Lathum

When people have a half car length in front of them at the drive through and they don't pull up so you can't get close enough to order. Bonus points if the person working the drive through tries to get your order as if you should scream it from 5 feet away.

Car lengths are annoying in general. My car has adaptive cruise control and if I have it set on the highest distance, you don't follow closely enough and yahoos will cut in between you and the lead car. if you set it on a mid or lowest setting, you follow too closely.

[21C]

Originally Posted by molson

"Tell me X without telling me X".

What can I do to make that stop?

I can't say that I'm aware of this one. Can you give an example?

[BYU 14]

Originally Posted by 21C

I can't say that I'm aware of this one. Can you give an example?

It's basically a response to someone who says/posts/does something that insinuates they are/think a certain way without just flat out saying it.

Example using an old trope

"I didn't mean anything racial, I have lots of black friends"

Response

"Tell me you're a racist without telling me you're a racist"

[21C]

Got it. Yeah, I have heard it.

[molson]

Originally Posted by BYU 14

It's basically a response to someone who says/posts/does something that insinuates they are/think a certain way without just flat out saying it.

Example using an old trope

"I didn't mean anything racial, I have lots of black friends"

Response

"Tell me you're a racist without telling me you're a racist"

That's not even a bad use of it - but 99% of the time there's no aspect of that original intent of asking someone to just flatly say something. It's just used generically to make any any statement about anyone's comment, usually to criticize it.

Edit: As an example, we got snow in Boise the other day, everyone was surprised, and someone responded to that expressed surprise by saying, "tell me you're new here without telling me you're new here". It was a dumb use of of the meme, and also factually incorrect - it was the first May snow in Boise in 40 years.

[21C]

I hate, with a white hot passion, people who enter a room with a closed door without knocking.

I have a small office around the corner from my classroom. I have come close to losing it several times when people, often cleaners, just come to my door, open it and go "Oh" because they are surprised that someone might actually be in there.

[miami_fan]

The fascination with gawking at people getting pulled over has to stop!

We were driving along I-4 this morning. Other than the always present traffic around the Disney World exit, traffic flowed pretty well throughout the drive to I-75 especially for the end of the holiday weekend. The only issue was people dropping from going 75+ mph to 40 mph or less in a heartbeat because everyone is staring at a police car's flashing lights while a driver has been pulled over. At least 5 times over a 25 miles stretch, traffic came to a crawl and after a minute or two, sped back up again once I passed the police car. We already have to deal with the folks doing 35 in the left lane and the idiots who realize they can't drive the speed limit or more while trying to view the latest dances on Tik Tok so they are randomly slamming on the brakes. We don't need pileups because people want to see if the guy getting the ticket was the jackass who sped past them too fast 20 minutes earlier.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by 21C

I hate, with a white hot passion, people who enter a room with a closed door without knocking.

I have a small office around the corner from my classroom. I have come close to losing it several times when people, often cleaners, just come to my door, open it and go "Oh" because they are surprised that someone might actually be in there.

I'll admit that when I was young Airman in the the Air Force I once walked into a Sergeant's office without knocking (The door was 3/4ths open). By the way he reacted you'd probably though I walked in on him watching porn or something. But I've always knocked on a door before entering after that!

[21C]

Originally Posted by 21C

I hate, with a white hot passion, people who enter a room with a closed door without knocking.

I have a small office around the corner from my classroom. I have come close to losing it several times when people, often cleaners, just come to my door, open it and go "Oh" because they are surprised that someone might actually be in there.

It turns out that there is something I hate even more.

I arrived at school today (Monday) to find my office door completely open and nobody around.

Admittedly my office is in a low traffic area of the school at that time of day but it is still accessible to anyone. I have several personal items on my desk as well as student test papers, graded and ungraded. I have a work laptop in a locked cupboard. I'm guessing that it was a cleaner who opened it and planned on returning but there was no sign of anyone and no idea how long it had been opened. My worst fear was that it was like this all weekend - and I know that I closed and locked it before I left on Friday.

Say something to someone - I come across as a massive c***.
Don't say something - it keeps happening.

[NobodyHere]

I hate it when menu's at restaurants don't list their prices. I kind of want to know how much you're going to charge me for that Coffee and Cream Martini (It was $9). That along with tipping is a reason I don't eat out much. Just pay your waiters a reasonable wage and if I don't like your service then I simply don't come back. It's like a guilt tax.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I hate it when menu's at restaurants don't list their prices. I kind of want to know how much you're going to charge me for that Coffee and Cream Martini (It was $9). That along with tipping is a reason I don't eat out much. Just pay your waiters a reasonable wage and if I don't like your service then I simply don't come back. It's like a guilt tax.

Do you honestly think the cost wouldn't be passed on to the consumer?

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Do you honestly think the cost wouldn't be passed on to the consumer?

I never implied otherwise (at least intentionally), but I would at least see up front on what my meal truly costs.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I never implied otherwise (at least intentionally), but I would at least see up front on what my meal truly costs.

I am with you on the prices. But if you eliminate tipping and increase hourly wages that cost is just going to rolled over to the consumer through higher menu prices.

With tipping at least you can control how much you pay based on level of service.

In addition to the cost being passed on to the consumer the level of service would tank. No thank you.

[Ksyrup]

I'm sure it's a matter of what we've been accustomed to, but restaurants seem to be part of a unique group where it feels appropriate to separate the cost of the product from the service, as one can be great and the other terrible and each has a significant bearing on your enjoyment of the entire experience.

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am with you on the prices. But if you eliminate tipping and increase hourly wages that cost is just going to rolled over to the consumer through higher menu prices.

Again, I'm ok with that as I would see up front what my meal truly costs.

With tipping at least you can control how much you pay based on level of service.

In addition to the cost being passed on to the consumer the level of service would tank. No thank you.

I don't know if service would truly tank. If you don't do a good job then you run the risk of being fired. If I get poor service then I don't return. Millions of workers in this country do a good job without needing to tip.

[cuervo72]

Aren't we the only country that does the tip thing? So, is service worldwide shitty?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Aren't we the only country that does the tip thing? So, is service worldwide shitty?

I find I get worse service internationally, definitely less of a sense of urgency.

I also think you have to factor in culture. It is a very American thing to do the bare minimum.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Again, I'm ok with that as I would see up front what my meal truly costs.

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Maybe I am missing your point, but this makes literally zero sense to me. If you go to a restaurant where the prices are on the menu, like 99% of them are, you can easily see how much it will be before the tip then do the math on what percentage you want to tip. Even if you decide to tip a little less or a little more it really shouldn't matter.

I personally don't care about what I spend when I go to dinner, but it really wouldn't be hard to do the math if I was on a certain budget.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

I don't know if service would truly tank. If you don't do a good job then you run the risk of being fired. If I get poor service then I don't return. Millions of workers in this country do a good job without needing to tip.

Millions also do a very poor job. At least with tipping the incentive is there, unlike the guy working the drive through who screws your order up half the time.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I find I get worse service internationally, definitely less of a sense of urgency.

I also think you have to factor in culture. It is a very American thing to do the bare minimum.

I will also add, if restaurants have to pay servers a higher hourly rate they will just schedule less servers and service will suffer.

[flere-imsaho]

I would prefer no tipping and servers to be paid a living wage. I'm sure some service would be lousy, but it's hard it would be all that different from the variance seen elsewhere in the service industry. And there are plenty of restaurants - if service is sufficiently bad at one, the paying public will choose to patronize others.

[albionmoonlight]

I'm on team actually charge what it costs and pay the servers and get rid of the culture of tipping.

Since the tip is so expected now, it is not, IMO, operating as a tip anymore. It's just part of the cost. So be upfront about it.

[molson]

Some people would still tip and ruin it.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by molson

Some people would still tip and ruin it.

Make tipping punishable by a mandatory year in prison.

My plan will work if people have the guts to see it through.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

I'm on team actually charge what it costs and pay the servers and get rid of the culture of tipping.

Since the tip is so expected now, it is not, IMO, operating as a tip anymore. It's just part of the cost. So be upfront about it.

It may be a matter of degree, but I still "scale" my tips based on the service I get. Since Covid, I definitely am tipping more (usually 30-50%), but for subpar/bad service, I will tip at or below 20%. So, I agree it's somewhat baked into the cost, but I like having a degree of control over how much I want to spend based on my experience.

[molson]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

Make tipping punishable by a mandatory year in prison.

My plan will work if people have the guts to see it through.

I'm in.

In some countries without tipping cultures, I know Japan is one, it's offensive when Americans visit and tip. Like tippers are expecting something extra, or think the wait staff is beneath them. But, god love us, a lot of Americans just can't help it and want to tip everyone.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm sure it's a matter of what we've been accustomed to, but restaurants seem to be part of a unique group where it feels appropriate to separate the cost of the product from the service, as one can be great and the other terrible and each has a significant bearing on your enjoyment of the entire experience.

And what is screwed is if the kitchen is slow, the server gets less money. I think mandatory tipping is utterly ridiculous.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And what is screwed is if the kitchen is slow, the server gets less money. I think mandatory tipping is utterly ridiculous.

It isn't mandatory, however, if you pay servers hourly and menu prices go up 30% (arbitrary number) then you are making it mandatory.

[Lathum]

dola- and as someone who worked in restaurants all through my late teens, 20's and even my early 30's I can say it is pretty easy for an experienced server to deal with a slow kitchen and not have service suffer. There are obvious exceptions, but in general the server should be able to adapt. Again, take away the incentive to and the level of service will tank.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And what is screwed is if the kitchen is slow, the server gets less money. I think mandatory tipping is utterly ridiculous.

Not really. It's usually obvious when the server is not at fault. Typically, they say something about the food coming out shortly and apologizing, often more than once. In those situations, I assume my food is not sitting around and the server is just letting it sit because they don't want to bring it out. Or, I can see that our server has way too many tables and any delays or lack of refills is due to being spread too thin.

This stuff is really not that hard to figure out.

Also - mandatory tipping is what paying for service in the price of the food is. Under the current system, no one is required to tip anything.

[GrantDawg]

You guys keeping saying that it is not mandatory, and I guess it is not if you are a piece of crap. But those people absolutely depend on those tips. You are basically robbing people if you don't tip.

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[Ksyrup]

I agree. Like I said, I've actually increased my tips since Covid. But I also know people who are/were tremendously cheap. I've seen friends throw change on the table.

[GrantDawg]

and you are saying people know when it is the kitchen's fault and don't blame the servers. I say you don't know the public if you think that is the case. I work in a service industry, and my wife works in a service industry. Many people are not that reasonable.

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[Ksyrup]

Also, tips are earned. So while I don't agree with tipping nothing, it's a sliding scale.

I'll tell you what doesn't help - places like Panera prompting for a tip when you order, and then making you go get your food and drink and clearing your own damn table, including shoveling food off of your plate and putting plates/bowls/silverware in certain places. The fucking nerve.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

and you are saying people know when it is the kitchen's fault and don't blame the servers. I say you don't know the public if you think that is the case. I work in a service industry, and my wife works in a service industry. Many people are not that reasonable.

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I'm saying I know. People should tip what they think has been earned. I also know places that share tips with the kitchen.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Lathum

take away the incentive to and the level of service will tank.

If it gets much lower, it won't exist.

Then again, at least around here, it hardly exists anyway.

Athens always kinda ran (nine months a year) on a portion of the students being in the workforce. When they left due to Covid restrictions, hardly any appear to have returned to the workforce. We've been pretty SOL ever since.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

You guys keeping saying that it is not mandatory, and I guess it is not if you are a piece of crap. But those people absolutely depend on those tips. You are basically robbing people if you don't tip.

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and if the server does a crap job they don't deserve a good tip ( even though I usually still do).

remove tipping and you are basically saying you have to tip regardless of level of service.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

and you are saying people know when it is the kitchen's fault and don't blame the servers. I say you don't know the public if you think that is the case. I work in a service industry, and my wife works in a service industry. Many people are not that reasonable.

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I actually said a good server can navigate that, to a certain level.

[GrantDawg]

And I said people blame people for things that are beyond their control all the time. People don't tip because they are cheap, or they didn't like their rolls, or they just had a bad day, or insert reason here. Would you like to only get paid if your boss felt like it? How many of you woukd happily take a job with no guaranteed pay, and just let a random stranger decide what you are worth? It is a stupid way of doing business.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

And I said people blame people for things that are beyond their control all the time. People don't tip because they are cheap, or they didn't like their rolls, or they just had a bad day, or insert reason here. Would you like to only get paid if your boss felt like it? How many of you woukd happily take a job with no guaranteed pay, and just let a random stranger decide what you are worth? It is a stupid way of doing business.

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I used to bartend and make 4-500 a night. I think you overestimate how many jerks are out there.

[GrantDawg]

See if you can do that at the Waffle House and get back to me. Because it worked for you in a certain situation didn't mean it is the best way to do business.

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[Lathum]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

See if you can do that at the Waffle House and get back to me. Because it worked for you in a certain situation didn't mean it is the best way to do business.

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and do you think these same jerks who are too cheap to tip at the waffle house will go there when the prices go up by a significant amount?

[cuervo72]

My cousin has worked at some fairly fancy places and gets stiffed all too often I'd say. Not a "we can't afford an extra buck at Waffle House" deal, just shitty people. (While he is outspoken online, he damn well knows to behave and not fuck up his living while on the clock, so I doubt it's his service.)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

My cousin has worked at some fairly fancy places and gets stiffed all too often I'd say. Not a "we can't afford an extra buck at Waffle House" deal, just shitty people. (While he is outspoken online, he damn well knows to behave and not fuck up his living while on the clock, so I doubt it's his service.)

The reality is getting stiffed is part of the job, but people wouldn't wait tables at Waffle House if they didn't at least make a passable income.

I find it insane that anyone would want to remove the option of tipping for good service as opposed to being forced to pay through higher prices.

[BishopMVP]

What do y'all tip on to-go/pick up orders? I still go 10% or a few bucks even if it's a cheap meal, but I don't know if that's considered bad in this post-Covid world where less people are eating inside restaurants.

[stevew]

Usually $4 plus the change on carry out.

[Ksyrup]

If it's a sit down restaurant I still tip like normal. I figure that money is being spread amongst all the workers.