WW LXV-- Enter the CUBICLE (GAME OVER! See Post #1625 For Final Game Post)

[Lathum]

ahhh

the Willy Wonka game.

That was a fun one.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Alan T

Arles revealed as the fool.. without anyone contradicting him... unless you are making the claim that he is not the fool because you are. If Farrah turns up a wolf, you're in my targets tommorrow if she was the same team as fink. If she is the opposite team from Fink, then you'll gain more trust with me.

Good point, thanks -- I won't be looking at Arles after all. . I guess I'll wait to see who else defends Farrah. Anyway, my point wasn't really to attack Arles (luckily, since then it would have been a really bad post), it was just to show everyone my rationale for thinking Farrah is a wolf.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Alan T

That still doesn't explain how you are "pushing the issue" with the vote. It just spread it out more.

Well people kept dilly-dallying the whole Pass/Mau point so I picked one.

[oliegirl]

VOTE FARRAH

After readinig over everything, and thinking about the RendeR/Seer angle, I think this is the best place to put my vote today. I've played a number of games with RendeR, though not the Willy Wonka one Pass is referring to, but there are definitely parallels between this game and that one and RendeR's role/actions.

[ntndeacon]

Vote Farrah

No reason to make it close enough to get the wolves to try to change it. I inamgine those voting her off will be scrutinized as possible wolves as well.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not to mantion if the wolves know we are gonna vote off Farrah tomorrow anyway they may just kill her tonight.

Thinking out loud a little here.

We DON'T lynch Farrah with the plan of killing her tomorrow. Instead we lynch someone who turns out to be a villager, they kill Farrah tonight then where do we go?

If We do lynch Farrah today and she is a wolf they may lynch another wolf tonigh which is great for us.

We lynch Farrah today and she is a villager, they lynch a wolf tonight.

First, I am on board with the idea that Farrah is a wolf. The Cronin vote is the best info we have on anyone to this point. But, the above line of thinking makes no sense. I will all but guarantee that Farrah will be lynched today or tomorrow. And, given the wolves have only one chance every 3 weeks to remove a wolf, why would they choose one will be lynched tomorrow anyway? It makes more sense to go for the 3rd member of the Farrah-Fink-? gang and have both gone after tomorrow's lynching.

I am fine with the Farrah vote today and it is the highest chance to remove a wolf. But, I would prefer to wait until tomorrow as I think it serves us better to have the two wolf teams be close to equal if we can manage. Also, to recap, I think that if Farrah is a wolf (which seems likely) she is in the same side as Fink. I am also assuming there are 2-4 wolves per side (prob 3) plus the fish. So, here's the options I like (based on preference):

1. Vote Path12 off and see if he is in the opposing faction to fink
2. Vote Pass off and see if he is in the opposing faction to fink
3. Vote Farrah off and see if she is on fink's team
4. Vote Mau off and see if he is in the opposing faction to fink

I really think that one of path12 or pass (or maybe even both) is a wolf on the opposing faction. And, if we vote one off that's a villager, I feel real good about the other being a wolf. If we vote Farrah off today and she is revealed to be on Fink's side, I think another from Fink's side will be gone tonight. That means potentially one wolf faction gone. Then, we could try path12 or pass tomorrow and see if one of them is a wolf. In the end, I don't know that it matters as I think 3 wolves will be gone in the next 3 days either way (Farrah, path12/pass, wolf vote tonight).

But, if we do vote off Farrah tonight and she is on the same side as Fink, I think we need to vote off one from path12 or pass tomorrow.

[Arles]

Also, for those not willing to read all the other stuff to this point. I am the "Pretentious Fool" role and I scanned Lathum. He came back as a temp worker (not a wolf). Now, my scans are not 100% accurate, they are random - but there is a chance that this is right. And, if it is, I don't want to vote him off when we have 3 other comparable people in terms of suspicion (Pass, Mau, path12).

[jeheinz72]

I think I'd rather go with the sure wolf tonight and then decipher the Path/Pass idea tomorrow. I think you may be onto something with Pass (I didn't buy your path logic though, the BK vote didn't mean much to me really).

[Arles]

I've been wrong before. I was adamant that you were a wolf last time and the fact that people disagreed saved the game for us Pass does seem more likely - especially with his 11th hour swap from RendeR to Fink to ensure the lynching.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Arles

First, I am on board with the idea that Farrah is a wolf. The Cronin vote is the best info we have on anyone to this point. But, the above line of thinking makes no sense. I will all but guarantee that Farrah will be lynched today or tomorrow. And, given the wolves have only one chance every 3 weeks to remove a wolf, why would they choose one will be lynched tomorrow anyway? It makes more sense to go for the 3rd member of the Farrah-Fink-? gang and have both gone after tomorrow's lynching.

Arles.

I realize what I am saying odd but the problem is we have no way of knowing how the 2 wolf factions determine who the night kill is.

There has to be some mechanic in play that determines the end result. When it is a wolf kill night ( every third night) there has to be some deciding factor that determines what wolf buys it.

My best guess would be there is a pecking order so to say. If the wolves know Farrah is going to die the next day she may be at the bottom of that list.

I am just trying to to think outside of the box

[The Jackal]

Yeah heinze, I meant why were you considering pass, but after reading I get it.

I had a gut instinct yesterday when some votes went on Farrah that she was a wolf, but not strong enough to change my vote once the votes all landed on render and fink. For now..

Vote Farrah

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Arles

With Path, you have the idea that he voted for Barkeep on day 1 (coincidentally the guy that was killed by wolves that night)

For my money, you can't take anything from that. In fact, it may point more towards path's innocence. As a wolf, I wouldn't typically go after guys I wanted to dump at night during the day vote.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I'd revise that bottom part, the best case would be

1. Vote Farrah (Fink wolf)
2. Fink wolves vote off a non-fink wolf
3. We focus on the non-Finks (now with 2 lynch votes of data on them)

I think it's very dangerous to rely on the Crew getting a Cougar fired. It could be a one-for-one trade (and with the Cougars having a leg up right now, you'd think they would be more likely to night-kill a Crew to consolidate their advantage), and if there's only one night-kill (I don't recall, offhand, whether it's just one kill or if each get a kill) then there's a chance that the only kill would be Cougars offing Crew.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

I think it's very dangerous to rely on the Crew getting a Cougar fired. It could be a one-for-one trade (and with the Cougars having a leg up right now, you'd think they would be more likely to night-kill a Crew to consolidate their advantage), and if there's only one night-kill (I don't recall, offhand, whether it's just one kill or if each get a kill) then there's a chance that the only kill would be Cougars offing Crew.

Oh I agree, it's certainly not fact. Arlie was stating the best-cases though for us, and the best case IMO would be that (the Crew doing our work on a Cougar for us)

[SnDvls]

heading home from work then I'm off to an ASU basketball game...I'll try to jump back on between then so for now

vote Faarah

seems the thing all the cool people are doing

[jeheinz72]

Well I'm outta here until tomorrow. Not sure I'm a fan of the Farrah runaway vote, but I don't like the Lathum plan either, so I'm sticking with Mau for now (hey that rhymes!).

[RendeR]

Wow, I work for awhile and come back to find my fine piece is being barrell rolled out of a job.

Ahh well. I'm sticking with Lathum for my vote, I've stated why. I don't see quite as much "evidence" as everyone else seems to see and I really really dislike runaway votes.

[Lathum]

VOTE BSAK

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

VOTE BSAK

Yeah if i was a wolf I wouldn't want to vote for one of my own either. Nice cop out.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bsak16

Yeah if i was a wolf I wouldn't want to vote for one of my own either. Nice cop out.

dude, you've been voting for a worker everyday

[Lathum]

and I will expect an apology in due course

[Lathum]

and I don't think my vote is a throw away.

At this point if I vote farrah I am throwing my vote away so I would rather make a statement.

I think you are a wolf.

You have voted for me everyday and for no good reason.

[Schmidty]

Holy crap. There's too much to read. I wish I had a summary. I hate having to sleep all day.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

You have voted for me everyday and for no good reason.

You are the fish...it will come out.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Holy crap. There's too much to read. I wish I had a summary. I hate having to sleep all day.

what do you do that you sleep all day?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bsak16

You are the fish...it will come out.

It's not very wise to make statements that you can't possibly back up with such certainty

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

what do you do that you sleep all day?

Male escort.

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It's not very wise to make statements that you can't possibly back up with such certainty

I think you forgot to start that with "Confucius say..."

[Lathum]

I <3 schmidty

[path12]

Anybody have a count? I'm in and out for the next hour or so.

[Lathum]

It's a runaway on Farrah with a few people still clinging to the notion I am a wolf wanna be

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Lathum

It's a runaway on Farrah with a few people still clinging to the notion I am a wolf wanna be

I'm not convinced you are actually a wolf, however I am convinced that you are someone to be eliminated.


Does that make sense? probably not, but then there are times I don't agree with me either.

[mauchow]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Well, my quick count has Farrah at 3 and path and lathum at 1 vote (could be missing some stuff). I'm going to push the issue a touch and

Vote Mauboy

So your reason is because I said I'd be leaving for work @ 1:00 and posted at noon and before then? Hmm.. Well, good enough for me, Heiny. Anyways, I was just checking in and catching up while I had a few minutes at work. Hopefully Farrah will be another wolf hit and I highly doubt the wolves will be casting to get rid of another wolf. Or is it certain that they will? I'm still fuzzy on those rules.

I don't think I'll be posting again before 9:00 so we'll see you after the results have posted.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by RendeR

I'm not convinced you are actually a wolf, however I am convinced that you are someone to be eliminated.

huh?

[Schmidty]

Originally Posted by Lathum

huh?

Maybe he, like bsak, thinks you're the fish.

Why are we voting for Farrah again? I am dumb and confused. I need to be edumacated.

[Schmidty]

In small, easy words and sentences.

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by SnDvls

heading home from work then I'm off to an ASU basketball game...I'll try to jump back on between then so for now

vote Faarah

seems the thing all the cool people are doing

ASU? Psh. I already have a high school education.

VOTE SNDVLS

[Lathum]

45 minutes until deadline.

kind of slow

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Schmidty

Maybe he, like bsak, thinks you're the fish.

Why are we voting for Farrah again? I am dumb and confused. I need to be edumacated.

Cronin voted for her yesterday early on

[Lathum]

I am insulted to be accused of being a fish

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Wow. Apparently I'm toast.

[Mr. Wednesday]

SnDvls was proposed yesterday, and then came up again today as one of the voters on Fink.

VOTE SNDVLS

[Mr. Wednesday]

Hmm. I voted for SnDvls not knowing that Farrah had also done so. That's interesting.

[Dr. Sak]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I am insulted to be accused of being a fish

If it looks like a fish...and in your case smells like a fish...

[Farrah Whitworth-Rahn]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Hmm. I voted for SnDvls not knowing that Farrah had also done so. That's interesting.

I hope I'm not contagious.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Hmm. I voted for SnDvls not knowing that Farrah had also done so. That's interesting.

or you want us to think that

[oliegirl]

I'm home...doesn't look like any last minute vote jumping is going to be going on tonight...I'm around but at this point am just waiting for deadline to see what happens.

[Alan T]

I just got in, but I don't know if i have time to catch up on the thread because I need to run the BB-BBCF sim. Anything i should know or read up on?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by bsak16

If it looks like a fish...and in your case smells like a fish...

if I am the fish and converted I am coming for you first.

[Mr. Wednesday]

Originally Posted by Lathum

or you want us to think that

Or you want us to think that you don't think that.