2012 MLB Thread (Cabrera Gets Triple Crown, first since Yaz 1967) - Page 17

Ksyrup · 04-12-2012, 01:21 PM

I rarely listen to/for the announcers except in rare instances like Vin Scully, so I don't notice anything but the really bad ones. Rob Dibble, Rex Hudler, and hawk Harrelson are the worst, IMO. The PBP guys are usually too vanilla to sound like anything other than white noise. Except that hack PBP guy for the Yankees - I make sure to listen to the opposing team's broadcast if I have the choice. It's usually the jackoff color guys who I notice and who aggravate the hell out of me.

Mizzou B-ball fan · 04-12-2012, 01:44 PM

Nice story about Frenchy......

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spleen1015 · 04-12-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I rarely listen to/for the announcers except in rare instances like Vin Scully, so I don't notice anything but the really bad ones. Rob Dibble, Rex Hudler, and hawk Harrelson are the worst, IMO. The PBP guys are usually too vanilla to sound like anything other than white noise. Except that hack PBP guy for the Yankees - I make sure to listen to the opposing team's broadcast if I have the choice. It's usually the jackoff color guys who I notice and who aggravate the hell out of me.

Its high! And its far! Its an A-bomb for A-Rod!!

Logan · 04-12-2012, 02:17 PM

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Its high! And its far! Its an A-bomb for A-Rod!!

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"Actually, it was caught at the wall."

JonInMiddleGA · 04-12-2012, 02:46 PM

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"Actually, it was caught at the wall."

There’s a deep fly ball... Winfield goes back, back... his head hits the wall ... it’s rolling towards second base

Grover · 04-12-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I rarely listen to/for the announcers except in rare instances like Vin Scully, so I don't notice anything but the really bad ones. Rob Dibble, Rex Hudler, and hawk Harrelson are the worst, IMO. The PBP guys are usually too vanilla to sound like anything other than white noise. Except that hack PBP guy for the Yankees - I make sure to listen to the opposing team's broadcast if I have the choice. It's usually the jackoff color guys who I notice and who aggravate the hell out of me.

Agree with this.

I'll always listen to Gary Thorne too.

Ksyrup · 04-12-2012, 03:40 PM

Yeah, I've enjoyed Thorne. Unfortunately, he's way better than the team whose games he calls.

Grover · 04-12-2012, 03:43 PM

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Yeah, I've enjoyed Thorne. Unfortunately, he's way better than the team whose games he calls.

It's a shame NBC won't hire him to do hockey,

korme · 04-12-2012, 03:47 PM

Willie Harris
Ryan Ludwick
Alfredo Simon
sucks

rowech · 04-12-2012, 03:49 PM

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Willie Harris
Ryan Ludwick
Alfredo Simon
sucks

As does Drew Stubbs.

korme · 04-12-2012, 03:54 PM

Not giving up on Drew yet.

Scoobz0202 · 04-12-2012, 04:01 PM

Arredondo(sp?) and Simon in 9th and 10th inning? Our bullpen is better then that.

Scoobz0202 · 04-12-2012, 04:12 PM

Greinke did quite the flip from his last start, eh

tarcone · 04-12-2012, 04:19 PM

One of the best nights of radio I ever listened to was in my truck on the way home listening to KMOX. Mike Shannon and Ron Santo swapping stories. Wow. What a great time.

korme · 04-12-2012, 04:21 PM

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Arredondo(sp?) and Simon in 9th and 10th inning? Our bullpen is better then that.

We're kind banged up so I'm ok with Dondo. But Dusty should have sent Marshall out there once Simon had 2 on... or just not had Simon out there to begin with.

Hell, I'd rather have Wilson Valdez out there!

rowech · 04-12-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

Not giving up on Drew yet.

He's 27 at this point, regressed last year, looks even more lost this year. He, like Bailey, isn't going to make the turn.

Scoobz0202 · 04-12-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by korme

We're kind banged up so I'm ok with Dondo. But Dusty should have sent Marshall out there once Simon had 2 on... or just not had Simon out there to begin with.

Hell, I'd rather have Wilson Valdez out there!

It's typical Dusty tho that either Bray or Ondrusek were unavailable today because he uses them both yesterday for 0.1 innings. And then Marshall not even being used because he's a "closer."

korme · 04-12-2012, 05:33 PM

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He's 27 at this point, regressed last year, looks even more lost this year. He, like Bailey, isn't going to make the turn.

Excellent point.

rowech · 04-12-2012, 06:19 PM

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It's typical Dusty tho that either Bray or Ondrusek were unavailable today because he uses them both yesterday for 0.1 innings. And then Marshall not even being used because he's a "closer."

Not really Dusty, so much as modern baseball. At some point, a manger is going to have the guts to manage a bullpen the way it was managed through the 50s/60s, using your best guys when the game is on the line and pitching them 2-3 innings, maybe even letting them bat if need be. Teams are just not using their bullpens to get the most out of them.

lungs · 04-12-2012, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Greinke did quite the flip from his last start, eh

Lots of bloop singles, but it seems like when he gives up a few runs on bloop singles he gets pissed and stops locating his pitches.

Nothing wrong with his stuff today

spleen1015 · 04-12-2012, 09:32 PM

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Lots of bloop singles, but it seems like when he gives up a few runs on bloop singles he gets pissed and stops locating his pitches.

Nothing wrong with his stuff today

Is it me or are managers playing too many crazy shifts with the infield this year?

On that play where Soriano scored, the ground ball would have went right to the SS. Instead, he was playing on the other side of 2nd base and no one could get to it.

I don't understand why you put a crazy ass shift on when you have a runner on 2nd. What do you want your 3B to do in that situation? He can't play regular positioning so how can he cover the bag if Soriano tries to steal?

lungs · 04-12-2012, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by spleen1015

Is it me or are managers playing too many crazy shifts with the infield this year?

On that play where Soriano scored, the ground ball would have went right to the SS. Instead, he was playing on the other side of 2nd base and no one could get to it.

I don't understand why you put a crazy ass shift on when you have a runner on 2nd. What do you want your 3B to do in that situation? He can't play regular positioning so how can he cover the bag if Soriano tries to steal?

Ron Roenicke was big on the crazy shifts last year too. More so than most managers. He gets burned by it sometimes, but last year the shifts made some defensive metrics consider Yuniesky Betancourt an average shortstop. I think in the long run, the data shows it works. We just tend to remember when it doesn't work.

LloydLungs · 04-12-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rowech

At some point, a manger is going to have the guts to manage a bullpen the way it was managed through the 50s/60s, using your best guys when the game is on the line and pitching them 2-3 innings, maybe even letting them bat if need be. Teams are just not using their bullpens to get the most out of them.

Will never happen unless they change the save criteria. And if they change the save criteria, I guarantee you 30 out of 30 teams start managing their bullpens completely differently overnight.

kingfc22 · 04-12-2012, 10:52 PM

Giants have scored at least 4 runs every game yet are 2-4.

Would never have guessed that seeing how they were something like 55-9 last year when they scored 4 runs or more.

Swaggs · 04-12-2012, 11:50 PM

Pedro Alvarez seems to have 2-3 moments per game where he looks like he has never played the game of baseball before.

I hate to say he's never going to turn into anything, but it is tough to see how he turns into much more than a corner infield, roster bubble-type guy. He's got plus power, but such a huge hole(s) in his swing. Just sucks for someone, that a team like the Pirates really needs to step up, to flop the way he has.

Suicane75 · 04-13-2012, 01:11 AM

Completely agree. I drafted him high on my fantasy squad last year and watched a ton of his AB's as a result and I can't for the life of me figure out how he achieved such high prospect status. Like you said, it's not that he just isn't hitting, it's that he has no idea how to.

Ksyrup · 04-13-2012, 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Ron Roenicke was big on the crazy shifts last year too. More so than most managers. He gets burned by it sometimes, but last year the shifts made some defensive metrics consider Yuniesky Betancourt an average shortstop. I think in the long run, the data shows it works. We just tend to remember when it doesn't work.

TB uses them the best of anybody and they seem to always be at the top of the defensive efficiency ratings. Watching that Yankees series to open the year, they seemed to have guys always in the right position. So part of it is having reliable info.

Part of it is also knowing when to use it. I'm not a huge fan of late game shifts. Case in point - that crazy Boston/Detroit game last Sunday. Boston's up 2 runs to start the bottom of the 11th, and they shifted left on Cabrera and he went the other way for a single, then shifted way right on Prince and he purposely check-swinged a ball where the 3Bman would have been. In those situations, yeah you'd love to hit 2 HRs to tie the game, but you need base runners more than anything. And those shifts are intended to prevent base hits, not HRs. So shifting and giving up a hit to the opposite field accomplishes pretty much what the offensive team wants and what the shift is designed to prevent. I guess the only thing it does for the D is keeps the batter from swinging for the fences, if he's dead-set on hitting it to the open spot. But up 2, is it really smart to start the inning with 2 on and no one out? The rest of Detroit's lineup isn't THAT bad (as they proved).

lordscarlet · 04-13-2012, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by korme

Willie Harris
Ryan Ludwick
Alfredo Simon
sucks

w00t

Chief Rum · 04-13-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by lungs

Ron Roenicke was big on the crazy shifts last year too. More so than most managers. He gets burned by it sometimes, but last year the shifts made some defensive metrics consider Yuniesky Betancourt an average shortstop. I think in the long run, the data shows it works. We just tend to remember when it doesn't work.

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Originally Posted by Ksyrup

TB uses them the best of anybody and they seem to always be at the top of the defensive efficiency ratings. Watching that Yankees series to open the year, they seemed to have guys always in the right position. So part of it is having reliable info.

Part of it is also knowing when to use it. I'm not a huge fan of late game shifts. Case in point - that crazy Boston/Detroit game last Sunday. Boston's up 2 runs to start the bottom of the 11th, and they shifted left on Cabrera and he went the other way for a single, then shifted way right on Prince and he purposely check-swinged a ball where the 3Bman would have been. In those situations, yeah you'd love to hit 2 HRs to tie the game, but you need base runners more than anything. And those shifts are intended to prevent base hits, not HRs. So shifting and giving up a hit to the opposite field accomplishes pretty much what the offensive team wants and what the shift is designed to prevent. I guess the only thing it does for the D is keeps the batter from swinging for the fences, if he's dead-set on hitting it to the open spot. But up 2, is it really smart to start the inning with 2 on and no one out? The rest of Detroit's lineup isn't THAT bad (as they proved).

Heh... Tampa Bay and Milwaukee.

Y'all can blame the heavy shift usage on Mr. Scioscia. He has been doing it in Anaheim for years, and apparently Joe Maddon and Roenicke were paying attention.

lungs · 04-13-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heh... Tampa Bay and Milwaukee.

Y'all can blame the heavy shift usage on Mr. Scioscia. He has been doing it in Anaheim for years, and apparently Joe Maddon and Roenicke were paying attention.

Yep, Ron R made it clear from the beginning he'd be bringing those tactics from the Angels. I just wish he'd have left the bunting in the first inning back on the west coast.

On another note, I just have a funny feeling that Carlos Gomez breaks out this year and Nyjer Morgan regresses. Gomez is only 26 years old and while still lacking baseball smarts is physically gifted enough to luck into hitting enough to have a few excellent peak years. Even with a .225/.276/.403 line last year he was a 2 win player. He'll never be an OBP machine but I could see a 4-5 win season or two from him in the next few years.

Scoobz0202 · 04-13-2012, 03:49 PM

Reds fans, strap yourselves in for a shootout tonight.

Stubbs CF
Valdez SS
Votto 1B
Rolen 3B
Bruce RF
Ludwick LF
Harris 2B
Hanigan C
Arroyo RHP

Not sure why Cozart already needs a day off unless something is wrong. He's a young guy, it can't be due to being tired, right? At least wait until Phillips is back. Christ. Of course, watch they put up a 10 spot tonight.

Grover · 04-13-2012, 03:58 PM

Ellsbury got hurt early in the Sox game today. Slid into second, Rays SS fell onto his shoulder hard. Ellsbury was in serious discomfort on the field and when he walked off the field.

DaddyTorgo · 04-13-2012, 04:09 PM

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Ellsbury got hurt early in the Sox game today. Slid into second, Rays SS fell onto his shoulder hard. Ellsbury was in serious discomfort on the field and when he walked off the field.

This team just can't catch a break. They're going down.

Scoobz0202 · 04-13-2012, 04:23 PM

Adam Dunn is back.

0-4 4k's

Grover · 04-13-2012, 04:24 PM

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This team just can't catch a break. They're going down.

8 run 8th inning helps, right?

Chief Rum · 04-13-2012, 04:31 PM

At least the Red Sox have the excuse of injuries. The Angels' weird issues with their rotation all sucking is mind boggling.

LastWhiteSoxFanStanding · 04-13-2012, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Adam Dunn is back.

0-4 4k's

Scoobz0202 · 04-13-2012, 05:16 PM

With the Reds disappointing start at least I can take solace that the Cubs are destroying Wainwright and Co. in their home opener.

Izulde · 04-13-2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

Adam Dunn is back.

0-4 4k's

But it's not like he can get worse than last year. (Or so I hope.)

Good news is, we're still 4-2, which I frankly didn't expect.

AENeuman · 04-13-2012, 05:55 PM

That Cain kid is pretty good. 9.0 1hit 0 bb 0 runs

Scoobz0202 · 04-13-2012, 05:57 PM

And wasn't the one hit from the damn pitcher?

Butter · 04-13-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

With the Reds disappointing start at least I can take solace that the Cubs are destroying Wainwright and Co. in their home opener.

The Cards played like shit against the bad teams in the division last year. One can only hope this is the continuation of that trend.

Butter · 04-13-2012, 06:01 PM

Stubbs, Valdez, Harris, and Ludwick in the lineup tonight for the Reds.

Over/under should be about 3 hits for the whole lineup.

Scoobz0202 · 04-13-2012, 06:02 PM

With the way he is hitting so far, you might as well throw Rolen on that list as well.

rowech · 04-13-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Butter_of_69

Stubbs, Valdez, Harris, and Ludwick in the lineup tonight for the Reds.

Over/under should be about 3 hits for the whole lineup.

It's probably best to bench a .370 hitter at this point in time since the offense is struggling so bad. Also, make sure to put the .154 hitter in the leadoff spot since he's fast. Nevermind that he can't steal first.

rowech · 04-13-2012, 06:16 PM

Maybe Dusty just manages entirely based upon regression to the mean. Struggling players will balance out by going up and players playing well will come down.

Butter · 04-13-2012, 06:27 PM

No hits through 2, we're on target for the O/U!

MizzouRah · 04-13-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scoobz0202

With the Reds disappointing start at least I can take solace that the Cubs are destroying Wainwright and Co. in their home opener.

It's the fucking Cubs.. UGH!

Crapshoot · 04-13-2012, 07:01 PM

Matt Cain is better than you. 1 hit, 1 baserunner allowed today, and that was to the goddamn pitcher.

rowech · 04-13-2012, 08:12 PM

3 hit shutout through 7 1/3 with 95 pitches and you pull the guy? Can't wait to see the pen blow the game for the Reds.

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Ksyrup This guy has posted so much, his fingers are about to fall off. Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: In Absentia	Yeah, I've enjoyed Thorne. Unfortunately, he's way better than the team whose games he calls. __________________ M's pitcher Miguel Batista: "Now, I feel like I've had everything. I've talked pitching with Sandy Koufax, had Kenny G play for me. Maybe if I could have an interview with God, then I'd be served. I'd be complete."

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Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Pedro Alvarez seems to have 2-3 moments per game where he looks like he has never played the game of baseball before. I hate to say he's never going to turn into anything, but it is tough to see how he turns into much more than a corner infield, roster bubble-type guy. He's got plus power, but such a huge hole(s) in his swing. Just sucks for someone, that a team like the Pirates really needs to step up, to flop the way he has. __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

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korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Willie Harris Ryan Ludwick Alfredo Simon sucks

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korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Not giving up on Drew yet.

04-12-2012, 04:01 PM	#812
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Arredondo(sp?) and Simon in 9th and 10th inning? Our bullpen is better then that.

04-12-2012, 04:12 PM	#813
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Greinke did quite the flip from his last start, eh

04-12-2012, 04:19 PM	#814
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Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Completely agree. I drafted him high on my fantasy squad last year and watched a ton of his AB's as a result and I can't for the life of me figure out how he achieved such high prospect status. Like you said, it's not that he just isn't hitting, it's that he has no idea how to.

04-13-2012, 03:49 PM	#831
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	Reds fans, strap yourselves in for a shootout tonight. Stubbs CF Valdez SS Votto 1B Rolen 3B Bruce RF Ludwick LF Harris 2B Hanigan C Arroyo RHP Not sure why Cozart already needs a day off unless something is wrong. He's a young guy, it can't be due to being tired, right? At least wait until Phillips is back. Christ. Of course, watch they put up a 10 spot tonight.

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Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	With the Reds disappointing start at least I can take solace that the Cubs are destroying Wainwright and Co. in their home opener.

04-13-2012, 05:55 PM	#840
AENeuman College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: SF	That Cain kid is pretty good. 9.0 1hit 0 bb 0 runs

04-13-2012, 05:57 PM	#841
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	And wasn't the one hit from the damn pitcher?

04-13-2012, 06:01 PM	#843
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04-13-2012, 06:02 PM	#844
Scoobz0202 Pro Rookie Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Dayton, Ohio	With the way he is hitting so far, you might as well throw Rolen on that list as well.

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rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	Maybe Dusty just manages entirely based upon regression to the mean. Struggling players will balance out by going up and players playing well will come down.

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Crapshoot Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2003	Matt Cain is better than you. 1 hit, 1 baserunner allowed today, and that was to the goddamn pitcher.

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rowech Pro Starter Join Date: Feb 2006	3 hit shutout through 7 1/3 with 95 pitches and you pull the guy? Can't wait to see the pen blow the game for the Reds.

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