Werewolf XXX: The Ghost Council of Orzhova - Game Over - Game Ends Night Five

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Chubby

AS the new "leader" of the Dimir (I am now the senior most member of the Dimir as I'm the last original) I send in the action.

I sent in a bribe attempt with a max offer of 1 gold. An offer i knew would be refused as our succesful attempt cost 800 scepters. This would out the last Dimir and ensure an Orzhova victory.

I had no control over the previous bribe attempt as path was still the leader and the one sending in the actions.

Something about this seems "off" to me.

Vote Chubby

Pending Schmidty's tale, as well as whatever other revelations come about.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by st.cronin

Something about this seems "off" to me.

It seems a little too fantastic to me, as well.

Hopefully someone can come along and shine some light on things for us.

[st.cronin]

It's basically the same play Fouts made in that Fozzie game - in that game, Fouts was telling the truth.

[Swaggs]

I guess I am in a holding pattern until I see what some other people have to add.

[tanglewood]

No sure whether I believe Chubby or not. It certainly is possible however.

My role as the librarian means I have the ability to discover people's roles by resaerching their backgrounds etc. in my vast archives. Every night I can pick someone to look for information on, however it is not a guarenteed success, indeed it is very unlikely that I will find what I'm looking for on the first night. However, every sibsequent night I spend looking for info on someone my chance of finding what I'm looking for improves. As it happened, I hit the jackpot on Night 1 when I researched up on Barkeep and discovered he was an incompetant administrator with a dead elder brother who sill magially looks over him, but an Orzhov. However, subsequant nights have proved less fruitful. I have been researching up on someone for the las 3 nights consecutively, each time my chance increasing but missed on all three nights. Hence why I asked for protection tonight, as I had a very good chance of finding out a role on someone but actually didn't. Tonight I almst certainly will find out their role, but I'm sure that's little consolation at the moment.

Long story short, Barkeep is in the COT because he was cleared as an Orzhov on night 1. Therefore, Chubby's story is certainly possible.

[tanglewood]

Wow, bad spelling alert!

[Swaggs]

Vote Chubby

This is just a placeholder. I will most likely be back home to change my vote, and hopefully by then, someone will have presented something a little more clearly. If I can't manage to get back online until after the deadline, I want to make sure either Barkeep or Chubby are put on the line. Right now, I just trust Barkeep more, since he gave us Path on a platter.

[Swaggs]

Also, really hoping to hear something from Schmidty.

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Also, really hoping to hear something from Schmidty.

ditto

[tanglewood]

Chubby seems to be openly admiting he is a Dmir. If so, why is he selling out one of his own?

[st.cronin]

Originally Posted by tanglewood

Chubby seems to be openly admiting he is a Dmir. If so, why is he selling out one of his own?

Actually if I understand correctly he's claiming to be a spy. Sort of like a reverse cultist.

[KWhit]

Well, this sounds like a 1 for 1 proposition. I kind of believe Chubby. But if we're wrong we can just vote for him tomorrow.

Vote Barkeep.

[Barkeep49]

I'm in for a few minutes before I go out for the night.

As I've had my role revealed by tangle, let me simply say that the story outlined by Chubby is absurd. If I was going to try and convert someone I would ahve chosen someone in a COT not someone outside. Further I would have likely chosen someone more active than Schmidty. Seems pretty open and shut to me:

Vote Chubby

[st.cronin]

Oh Schmidty, wherefore art thou Schmidty.

[KWhit]

On second thought. Chubby probably knows that someone found out he's a bad guy last night, so he comes out with this BS story about being a spy.

Unvote Barkeep.

Vote Chubby.

[Schmidty]

I'm finally home. This week has fucking sucked.

I wish I had gotten home sooner, because the PM I got basically tells me that this vote is 100% correct:

Vote Barkeep!!!

[st.cronin]

The only thing that makes me uneasy is this feeling I have that something DID happen last night, but we don't really have any idea what. No way do I vote for BK though without hearing from Schmidty.

[Schmidty]

Please, if anyone sees this before the deadline, I urge you to vote for Barkeep.

[KWhit]

Well shit.

Unvote Chubby.

Vote Barkeep.

[Schmidty]

Ok, I need to go again, but I'll be around a lot more this weekend. I'll catch up on everything I've missed then.

[Abe Sargent]

Time check

[Abe Sargent]

Another time check

[Abe Sargent]

Okay, let me count the votes

[Abe Sargent]

I have 4-3 in favor of Chubby with st. cronin's vote counting twice

[Abe Sargent]

With a tied vote and several abstentions, st. cronin's political prowess wins the vote and the die is cast. Chubby will be lynched tonight.

St. cronin ask Chubby for any last words, and Chubby stands up simply. "You people are among the stupidest people ever. The stones that made this table have more combined intelligence than the people in this room have. Fouts told you, point blank, that hoopsguy tried to kill him, and you didn't beleive him. Schmidty and I led you to beleive that Barkeep was Dimir as well, but no, you don't beleive the truth. I will be vindicated in seconds."

With that, Chubby levitates to the dais, loers himself, and allows himself to be strapped down. The Euthanist begins cutting shortly after the rites are read, and Chubby dies shortly thereafter.


Day Five is over, Night Five Begins.


I asked whether you wanted to play over the weekend but got no response, what is your preferences?

[st.cronin]

I can play this weekend, but I think the Orzhova would rather I abstain from any more votes.

/kicks self

[KWhit]

/kicks Schmidty.

I'll be in and out over the weekend - not able to spend much time discussing during the day.

[Abe Sargent]

I am thinking about having Night Five last until Saturday at 9:00 pm and Day Six until Sunday at 9:00 - that'd give a full day for each action. What do you guys thionk?

[Chief Rum]

That is fine with me. I can interact a little more on the weekends, especially Sunday.

[Chubby]

Ugh you guys are pretty dumb.


I implore you, if you have any abilities to use them against Barkeep tonight to end the game for a good guy win.

[st.cronin]

ahem

[Barkeep49]

I have some cough drops if those'll help

[Abe Sargent]

Sorry just got back. My ride to a HeroClix tournament was supposed to being me back around 8 but he wanted to stay and I couldn;t really force him to bring me back sooner.

I'll run teh night events in a moment.

[Abe Sargent]

Dawn breaks and most of you have risen, but no one has seen Barkeep. Some of you intended to look at him today for euthanism, but he is not at morning prayer. St. cronin authorizes a small group to go to Barkeep chamber.

The door is unlocked, and as you enter, you see Barkeep's corpse on teh ground and his spirit hovering above, silently. An examination of the body shows no marks, no signs of death at all, and yet he is dead.

Barkeep's spirt floats away, and you are left to ponder just how Barkeep dies. However, one thing is known. With his death, you have scoured the Dimir taint from your guild. The price was not cheap, and if possible, you trust each other less than you did when this all began, but you know your guild will grow from this, assuming you survive whatever the world throws at your next.

[Barkeep49]

Ok question that is foremost on my mind: Was Chubby a spy or converted by CR?

[Abe Sargent]

A few GM comments:

The game ended quicker than I expected because of Night Two. The Dimir chose a physical attack instead of a Mgaical attack and then selected the only target with a protection against such as attack. Had they gone after, say, the BG, who was known at the time, they would have killed him and had significant momentum. In fact, had they bribed the BG, they would have had the BG on the their side and had even more momentum.


Kudos to hoopsguy who had the best day (Day Two) I've ever seen.

Further kudos to salanda who had me cracking up with some of his "I'm crazy" posts.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Ok question that is foremost on my mind: Was Chubby a spy or converted by CR?

Chubby has an opportunity on Night 3 to chose to align himself Orzhov again if he wanted to switch sides. It was a one time offer.

[hoopsguy]

OK, with the game over at this point:
1.) Bad guys go 0-2 in kills the first two days - just terrible luck?
2.) I hate the bad guy spy. I believe it has only been in two games and I've had the misfortune of being a villain in both of them.
3.) I'm definitely interested in seeing how the roles break out. In a hidden roles game, it is very free form in terms of bad guy play - in terms of making up fake reveals - but you also don't know what you are defending against.

[Abe Sargent]

What I find interesting, had Chubby known the rsults of Night 3 (two dead Orzhov, one convert) he might have stayed Dimir and this game would have been very different.

[Barkeep49]

Saldana played great. Hats off to him for perhaps the most entertaining WW play we've seen.

[Abe Sargent]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

OK, with the game over at this point:
1.) Bad guys go 0-2 in kills the first two days - just terrible luck?
2.) I hate the bad guy spy. I believe it has only been in two games and I've had the misfortune of being a villain in both of them.
3.) I'm definitely interested in seeing how the roles break out. In a hidden roles game, it is very free form in terms of bad guy play - in terms of making up fake reveals - but you also don't know what you are defending against.

Night One - BG Block. Just bad luck you were BG'd by Swaggs.
Night Two - Chose the only guy who could be protected from a non-magical attack, and again, bad luck. I rolled the Thug's attack (had a 2 in 3 chance of success) and it succeeded, so KWhit has to use his one time protection. Even the BG was vulnerable to a physical attack, so I thought you were taking him out.

[Abe Sargent]

Oh - my unintentional humor award goes to a post on Day Three after hoops hopped Alan T's vote to Fouts and someone says, "But you don;t know who you killed, you mgiht have kille d the Oracle" when he DID, in fact, kill the oracle (Fouts). Very , very much laughter here

[Barkeep49]

I can't tell you how pissed I was, almost as angry as the one time that Blade got to me in a WW game, when I saqw that Chubby had me try to bribe Schmidty and it failed. It was teh exact nightmare scenario I had suggested and thought he was just being an idiot. However, when he came out as a good guy during the day I thoguht it was an interesting play, whether he was good or bad. And when he died I really respected the way he kept me in the dark. I will say though that this is two games in a row where I've had someone seemingly on my side only to find out that they're not. Perhaps that just makes me most gullible ww player.

[hoopsguy]

Day Two - where I managed to sneak away with my life for an extra day - was an awful lot of fun but very tense. I don't think it would have gone that way if Fouts had been around, but you play with the cards you are dealt. I learned that morning that I had identified Swaggs and that Fouts had very likely seen me. I told Path and Chubby to stay far, far away from me on the votes but I understand why they wanted to try and keep me alive. I was the guy who was putting in the actions, so if we got busted again it was going to be me getting caught. So Day 4 was supposed to be like a Day 1. Except that voting records were damning to both of those guys.

Chubby, if we had actually pulled off a Night 2 kill, do you think you would have stuck it out with the Dimir or were you planning to turn us over the whole way?

[Chubby]

Sure, now you people believe me!

I pretty much decided from the beginning of the game that I'd choose Orzhov. I didn't really need to make any suggestions to push the Dimir actions to not so favorable things since people suggested them on their own...

Burn path? SURE!

Barkeep - I scanned unknown until I officially picked a side on night 3 at which point I scanned good even tho I was the leader of the Dimir Being a spy is great!

[Barkeep49]

Yeah props to path for willing to take one for the team. In retrospect it goes down as one of the worse bad guy ploys ever since at least with two bad guys it takes a while longer for the good guys to recoup and so the bad guys hav esome time to try and build a foundation again.

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Day Two - where I managed to sneak away with my life for an extra day - was an awful lot of fun but very tense. I don't think it would have gone that way if Fouts had been around, but you play with the cards you are dealt. I learned that morning that I had identified Swaggs and that Fouts had very likely seen me. I told Path and Chubby to stay far, far away from me on the votes but I understand why they wanted to try and keep me alive. I was the guy who was putting in the actions, so if we got busted again it was going to be me getting caught. So Day 4 was supposed to be like a Day 1. Except that voting records were damning to both of those guys.

Chubby, if we had actually pulled off a Night 2 kill, do you think you would have stuck it out with the Dimir or were you planning to turn us over the whole way?

I wasn't 100% going good, if things were more favorable bad I would have "stayed" bad. Not knowing the results of night 3 when I sent in my decision I had to go good.

[hoopsguy]

I didn't really need to make any suggestions to push the Dimir actions to not so favorable things since people suggested them on their own...

Chubby, did you know the Orzhov secret roles?

[Barkeep49]

Also since it seems like the whole world has asked: I was quiet the first few days because I had nothing to say.

[Chubby]

Barkeep - on the bribe, I had to send in the "who" it was we'd bribe along with "how much we're willnig to pay". You were authorized to offer ONE gold.