WW XCIV Group Therapy - Game Over! - Page 17

Lathum · 05-14-2009, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Danny, can the wolves criticize their own?

Danny?

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:25 AM

Lathum - Yes, it's in the rules.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:26 AM

from rules

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Originally Posted by Danny

The Criticizer - You are a needy who has the ability to criticize one player every other night. The player who is criticized will have such low self esteem that they won't feel confident enough to vote the next day. That player can still post. Needies may criticize themselves or fellow needies.

Lathum · 05-14-2009, 01:27 AM

ok, thanks

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:29 AM

It doesn't look like the sympathizer gets converted if found by the desperate for attention, or if he finds any of the needies.

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Originally Posted by Danny

The Sympathizer - You secretly feel a lot of sympathy for the needies and their desire to remain in therapy and will win with them. Every night, you may scan to see if a player is a needy.

The Desperate for Attention - You want everyone's attention at all times, however you need to be careful not to draw suspicion as a needy. Each night you may pull aside one player and see how they respond to your attempts for attention. If you talk to the empathizer or sympathizer you will know it. However there is also one player out there who if you talk to will learn your identity, but will not be able to outright reveal it to the group.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:30 AM

So that leads me to believe we lucked out with a BG block.

MartinD · 05-14-2009, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

There are all kind of ways he could've gone and says voting for me is bandwagon jumping, don't feel sure about it...vote PB. It sounds like setting up an excuse for later.

Read my vote like this if you want - I stand by my reasoning for the vote. I'm not saying that I have any particular suspicions about PB (because I don't at this point in the game), just that of the options available at the time (as I saw them), I thought that this was the best use of my vote.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:31 AM

Or it's something activated by an unlisted role, in which case.. at least we didn't lose anyone.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 01:32 AM

why such a quick vote, lathum?

DaddyTorgo · 05-14-2009, 01:33 AM

VOTE PB

Lathum · 05-14-2009, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

why such a quick vote, lathum?

I saw some stuff in his play yesterday that stuck out to me

Chief Rum · 05-14-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

VOTE PB

Little late, you think?

dubb93 · 05-14-2009, 01:52 AM

I think I may see what is going on here. I'm going to wait until morning to atleast see if anyone comes out claiming anything. My theories at the moment:

Lathum is the seer and viewed PB last night

Lathum and PB were involved in the night kill some way some how. Possibly Lathum saw PB, or Lathum is a wolf and knows PB saw him.

There is some unlisted role mechanic at work here

Lathum is just being Lathum

I'm not willing to jump onboard yet like DT, I think I will wait to see what happens in the morning.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 02:21 AM

Yeah, I'm certainly not casting any votes tonight.

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 02:22 AM

Not a huge fan of the hit and run vote from DT, either. Not like you don't have time to explain it..

The Jackal · 05-14-2009, 02:23 AM

Or we've a case of known unknowns by certain players. And I think I'm going to bed now.

Poli · 05-14-2009, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danny

There may or may not be other mechanics in play

Could have swore I said I wouldn't play in another Abe game.

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So that leads me to believe we lucked out with a BG block.

well its possible there is another roll out there liek the talker....

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 07:27 AM

I'm already down 0-2 in the voting. I'm pretty sure I laid everything out I possibly could last night so at this point my only defense is I'm good. I'll just go back into my corner and sit quietly.

Barkeep49 · 05-14-2009, 07:43 AM

I'll throw out conversion as an equally likely possibility as BG block.

EagleFan · 05-14-2009, 07:45 AM

I guess not being able to vote is not a completely bad thing. My voting has sucked these last three games anyway.

On the plus side I guess we either got a BG block or some other game mechanic came into play.

I don't think we should immediately say the BG should not reveal. Unless the BG had a hunch, or picked up on something, the block was probably a self protect. If that is the case and he (or she) saw the attacker there should definitely be a reveal as the wolves would most likely already know it. If the BG is certain that he (or she) wasn't seen or didn't identify the attacker then there is no reason to reveal.

hoopsguy · 05-14-2009, 07:46 AM

I've got a few games under my belt with Lathum. I don't think he auto-votes someone with no explanation to start Day 2 without a very good reason.

I'll move it if given a very compelling reason, but none have emerged so far.

VOTE PURDUEBRAD

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 07:48 AM

maybe hes the one who can feel bad feelings? anf he cant reveal?

vote pb

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I've got a few games under my belt with Lathum. I don't think he auto-votes someone with no explanation to start Day 2 without a very good villager reason.

Changed your line by a word but I will bet you a beer that he certainly did just that.

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 07:48 AM

ok, i see no roll like that, apparently ive been in polis qrack

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

Changed your line by a word but I will bet you a beer that he certainly did just that.

if you are a villager... then lathum gets axed tommroow, unless he explians a ton

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 07:50 AM

Wow, 0-4. Just know that I really don't like being the center of attention, I'm kind of quiet. I'll go back to sweeping, take no notice of me.

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

if you are a villager... then lathum gets axed tommroow, unless he explians a ton

EVERY single voter, I want you to guarantee me this. WHEN I am revealed as good, Lathum goes next. I have no problem with being a sacrifice for the village but that vote is out and out odd, as is DT's. So if you guys guarantee me that, I don't care if you lynch me 20-0, as that is how it looks. DON'T GET SPUN after I come up good.

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 07:52 AM

EF, thanks for rooting for my Penguins last night.

EagleFan · 05-14-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

EF, thanks for rooting for my Penguins last night.

EagleFan · 05-14-2009, 07:58 AM

Gotta head to a meeting and work.

The only thing I can say with 100 percent certainty is that I will not be voting for PB today.

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

EVERY single voter, I want you to guarantee me this. WHEN I am revealed as good, Lathum goes next. I have no problem with being a sacrifice for the village but that vote is out and out odd, as is DT's. So if you guys guarantee me that, I don't care if you lynch me 20-0, as that is how it looks. DON'T GET SPUN after I come up good.

well if he does not KNOW you are good, im sure hell say something long befre 8 pm!

Alan T · 05-14-2009, 08:07 AM

Something is not sitting right with me about this morning. I can't quite put my finger on it. I know no one likes my gut feelings, but the crazy thought in my head right now is Lathum is just being Lathum and voting on his gut without much other reason. Others seem to be trying to build this up into a PB vs Lathum thing when I'm not sure that was what he was hinting at based on his short post after his vote.

I'm wondering if the end result of this will be a PB death followed by a Lathum death where both turned up good. Meaning three days lost and very little vote record from days 2 and 3 (due to the current run on PB and what I am guessing would be a run on Lathum tomorrow).

I honestly don't see any reason for a wolf to singularly out himself on day 2 by putting a he or me type vote out there, so only really two options seem legit to me: 1) PB is indeed bad, which would suprise me since I'm not usually that off on my read of people and based on his reactions, I just don't get that feeling.. 2) PB is good, and the wolves are more than happy letting Lathum put his neck out there.

Barkeep49 · 05-14-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm with Alan. To me Lathum can make the move he does as a vanilla villager. Of course in this game it might be something else.

Barkeep49 · 05-14-2009, 08:10 AM

Danny: Might want to update the thread title.

Danny · 05-14-2009, 08:14 AM

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 08:27 AM

ALan and BK... If its just a gut call im sure he will say, this was just a gut call what are you all doing....

DaddyTorgo · 05-14-2009, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Not a huge fan of the hit and run vote from DT, either. Not like you don't have time to explain it..

i was on my way to bed actually. turned in a lil early last night.

and my line of thinking was that lathum wouldn't drop a quick vote like that without reason, and if he does he should know that we'll come after him next, so it'd be a suicidal wolf-move.

wondering if we'll hear more from him today

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 08:33 AM

Wondering if well here from him? Lathum is one of those talk to hear his own voice types

Alan T · 05-14-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

ALan and BK... If its just a gut call im sure he will say, this was just a gut call what are you all doing....

Was this a question or statement? Just trying to see if you are looking for a response

Abe Sargent · 05-14-2009, 08:38 AM

Morning all

Barkeep49 · 05-14-2009, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

Wondering if well here from him? Lathum is one of those talk to hear his own voice types

He's asleep. He's a west coaster.

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Alan T

Was this a question or statement? Just trying to see if you are looking for a response

wow.. I just reread that.. and I have no idea what I was trying to say :P

im sure he will explain when he wakes up

claphamsa · 05-14-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

He's asleep. He's a west coaster.

I was making fun of DT :P I know he lives in seattle

hoopsguy · 05-14-2009, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkeep49

I'm with Alan. To me Lathum can make the move he does as a vanilla villager. Of course in this game it might be something else.

From what I understand of this game, there is no such thing in this one. Now there may be roles that are a little less special than others, but I don't think Danny has any plain-jane villagers with no conditions, options, etc.

Also, based on the rules of the game Lathum may not be able to fully explain his vote if it is role-based. Which could be a convenient excuse for a wolf, but a very legitimate reason for a villager to not provide more details on his vote.

Like I said earlier, if something compelling comes up I'll change my vote. But nothing about Day 2 seems all that suspect to me at this point.

dubb93 · 05-14-2009, 08:45 AM

I don't like PB's answer today(I honestly expected them to point the finger at each other. I was thinking there was a BG block on the kill last night and those two saw each other at the scene). Makes me feel like the options have narrowed down to two at this point. Either Lathum is the seer or Lathum is just going on a gut reaction. I don't actually expect Lathum to reveal if he is indeed the seer so I will go ahead and:

Vote PB

PackerFanatic · 05-14-2009, 08:49 AM

I understand not being able to explain votes and such, but those votes came so quick before the morning even really started...they just seem kinda fishy...

Danny · 05-14-2009, 09:00 AM

Game event - Bull Winkle Moose Special has occurred!

Abe went off his medication and believes himself to be Bullwinkle the moose. Out of nowhere he tears through the therapy room like a train at Poli.

Quickly, I leap out and subdue Abe with a shot to the arm. Abe is now back on his medication and the game will proceed.

(Disclaimer- this is purely for entertainment purposes, this event is not game related)

PurdueBrad · 05-14-2009, 09:02 AM

YAY, Lathum is here.

PackerFanatic · 05-14-2009, 09:02 AM

LOL...awesome.

05-14-2009, 01:33 AM	#810
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE PB __________________ Get bent whoever hacked my pw and changed my signature.

05-14-2009, 07:48 AM	#823
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	maybe hes the one who can feel bad feelings? anf he cant reveal? vote pb __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-14-2009, 07:48 AM	#825
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ok, i see no roll like that, apparently ive been in polis qrack __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-14-2009, 08:07 AM	#833
Alan T Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mass.	Something is not sitting right with me about this morning. I can't quite put my finger on it. I know no one likes my gut feelings, but the crazy thought in my head right now is Lathum is just being Lathum and voting on his gut without much other reason. Others seem to be trying to build this up into a PB vs Lathum thing when I'm not sure that was what he was hinting at based on his short post after his vote. I'm wondering if the end result of this will be a PB death followed by a Lathum death where both turned up good. Meaning three days lost and very little vote record from days 2 and 3 (due to the current run on PB and what I am guessing would be a run on Lathum tomorrow). I honestly don't see any reason for a wolf to singularly out himself on day 2 by putting a he or me type vote out there, so only really two options seem legit to me: 1) PB is indeed bad, which would suprise me since I'm not usually that off on my read of people and based on his reactions, I just don't get that feeling.. 2) PB is good, and the wolves are more than happy letting Lathum put his neck out there. __________________ Couch to ??k - From the couch to a Marathon in roughly 18 months.

05-14-2009, 08:14 AM	#836
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Done

05-14-2009, 01:25 AM	#802
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Lathum - Yes, it's in the rules.

05-14-2009, 01:27 AM	#804
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	ok, thanks

05-14-2009, 01:30 AM	#806
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	So that leads me to believe we lucked out with a BG block.

05-14-2009, 01:31 AM	#808
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Or it's something activated by an unlisted role, in which case.. at least we didn't lose anyone.

05-14-2009, 01:32 AM	#809
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	why such a quick vote, lathum?

05-14-2009, 01:52 AM	#813
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	I think I may see what is going on here. I'm going to wait until morning to atleast see if anyone comes out claiming anything. My theories at the moment: Lathum is the seer and viewed PB last night Lathum and PB were involved in the night kill some way some how. Possibly Lathum saw PB, or Lathum is a wolf and knows PB saw him. There is some unlisted role mechanic at work here Lathum is just being Lathum I'm not willing to jump onboard yet like DT, I think I will wait to see what happens in the morning.

05-14-2009, 02:21 AM	#814
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Yeah, I'm certainly not casting any votes tonight.

05-14-2009, 02:22 AM	#815
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Not a huge fan of the hit and run vote from DT, either. Not like you don't have time to explain it..

05-14-2009, 02:23 AM	#816
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Or we've a case of known unknowns by certain players. And I think I'm going to bed now.

05-14-2009, 07:43 AM	#820
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'll throw out conversion as an equally likely possibility as BG block.

05-14-2009, 07:45 AM	#821
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	I guess not being able to vote is not a completely bad thing. My voting has sucked these last three games anyway. On the plus side I guess we either got a BG block or some other game mechanic came into play. I don't think we should immediately say the BG should not reveal. Unless the BG had a hunch, or picked up on something, the block was probably a self protect. If that is the case and he (or she) saw the attacker there should definitely be a reveal as the wolves would most likely already know it. If the BG is certain that he (or she) wasn't seen or didn't identify the attacker then there is no reason to reveal.

05-14-2009, 07:46 AM	#822
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	I've got a few games under my belt with Lathum. I don't think he auto-votes someone with no explanation to start Day 2 without a very good reason. I'll move it if given a very compelling reason, but none have emerged so far. VOTE PURDUEBRAD

05-14-2009, 07:58 AM	#831
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Gotta head to a meeting and work. The only thing I can say with 100 percent certainty is that I will not be voting for PB today.

05-14-2009, 08:10 AM	#834
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I'm with Alan. To me Lathum can make the move he does as a vanilla villager. Of course in this game it might be something else.

05-14-2009, 08:10 AM	#835
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Danny: Might want to update the thread title.

05-14-2009, 08:27 AM	#837
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	ALan and BK... If its just a gut call im sure he will say, this was just a gut call what are you all doing.... __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-14-2009, 08:33 AM	#839
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	Wondering if well here from him? Lathum is one of those talk to hear his own voice types __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

05-14-2009, 08:38 AM	#841
Abe Sargent Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Catonsville, MD	Morning all __________________ Check out my two current weekly Magic columns! https://www.coolstuffinc.com/a/?action=search&page=1&author[]=Abe%20Sargent

05-14-2009, 08:45 AM	#846
dubb93 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2004	I don't like PB's answer today(I honestly expected them to point the finger at each other. I was thinking there was a BG block on the kill last night and those two saw each other at the scene). Makes me feel like the options have narrowed down to two at this point. Either Lathum is the seer or Lathum is just going on a gut reaction. I don't actually expect Lathum to reveal if he is indeed the seer so I will go ahead and: Vote PB

05-14-2009, 08:49 AM	#847
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	I understand not being able to explain votes and such, but those votes came so quick before the morning even really started...they just seem kinda fishy... __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

05-14-2009, 09:00 AM	#848
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Game event - Bull Winkle Moose Special has occurred! Abe went off his medication and believes himself to be Bullwinkle the moose. Out of nowhere he tears through the therapy room like a train at Poli. Quickly, I leap out and subdue Abe with a shot to the arm. Abe is now back on his medication and the game will proceed. (Disclaimer- this is purely for entertainment purposes, this event is not game related) Last edited by Danny : 05-14-2009 at 09:18 AM.

05-14-2009, 09:02 AM	#850
PackerFanatic Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Appleton, WI	LOL...awesome. __________________ Commissioner of the RNFL

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