Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win) - Page 17

Racer · 12-13-2007, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

but why throw it?

Because I'm doing everything I possibly can do to "win" in the game. It makes sense strategically to to throw the national championship because it gives a few teams a reason to vote to sanction Mr. Wednesday instead and to vote for me in the polls when they would otherwise have no reason other then rathering seeing a loyalist win then a Catholic or a detractor to do so. I still win the game if my conference gets the at-large bid and I don't really "win" any more by securing both the at-large bid and winning the national championship. I think Mr. Wednesday is more likely to win unless I avoid the sanction vote and I'd just as well assume that Swaggs, Chief Rum (if he's good), one other loyalist, and myself win then take that chance so that only Swags, Chief Rum (again if he's good), and myself win.

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Because I'm doing everything I possibly can do to "win" in the game. It makes sense strategically to to throw the national championship because it gives a few teams a reason to vote to sanction Mr. Wednesday instead and to vote for me in the polls when they would otherwise have no reason other then rathering seeing a loyalist win then a Catholic or a detractor to do so. I still win the game if my conference gets the at-large bid and I don't really "win" any more by securing both the at-large bid and winning the national championship. I think Mr. Wednesday is more likely to win unless I avoid the sanction vote and I'd just as well assume that Swaggs, Chief Rum (if he's good), one other loyalist, and myself win then take that chance so that only Swags, Chief Rum (again if he's good), and myself win.

ok, ill buy that!

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 08:02 AM

Public Poll

1. Barkeep49

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 08:53 AM

Quote:

As the head coach of a major college football power, you have two goals. First, of course, is to win the national title. The second, more team-oriented goal, is to bring in more money for your conference by sending two teams to BCS Bowls.

The group who gets the at-large BCS bid wins, and the player who wins the national champsionship wins. I hope that clears it up.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by claphamsa

ok, ill buy that!

I wasn't trying to fool anybody, but I just realized that there is no way jeheinz or claphamsa can possibly face me in the national championship game since none of us won our conference and there is only one at-large bid.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:07 AM

I'm in Racer

Unvote Racer
Vote Mr. Wednesday

1. jeheinz72
2. Racer
3. claphamsa
4. Anxiety
5. RendeR

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:07 AM

Dola, I still can and will throw the national championship if I am facing ntndeacon or chesapeake as I previously stated. Pass has confirmed that I can indeed throw it.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:07 AM

FYI, claphamsa, you don't have your vote in the right order of the "plan" (Racer and I should be switched).

I'm abandoning this plan if it's not changed by near-deadline.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Dola, I still can and will throw the national championship if I am facing ntndeacon or chesapeake as I previously stated. Pass has confirmed that I can indeed throw it.

Why not me?

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:08 AM

Jeheinz, just vote for me 3rd and Claphamsa 2nd.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Why not me?

You didn't win your conference and there is only one at-large bid which we are both trying to get. It is impossible for both of us to earn a BCS bid and thus impossible for us to play in the national championship game against each other. I wasn't trying to mislead you. I didn't realize this until a few minutes ago.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer

Jeheinz, just vote for me 3rd and Claphamsa 2nd.

Then he has a 1-2-2, I have 1-2-3 and you have 1-3-3

I want to do it because it's fairest if we all vote correctly.

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Racer

You didn't win your conference and there is only one at-large bid which we are both trying to get. It is impossible for both of us to earn a BCS bid and thus impossible for us to play in the national championship game against each other. I wasn't trying to mislead you. I didn't realize this until a few minutes ago.

Oh duh, good call...

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:25 AM

Alright, I'm going to assume you're allowed to unvote in the public poll and the submit a different top 5. If not, then I will have to adjust my private poll accordingly so Claph doesn't get screwed. Anyways, Jeheinz, again vote for me #3 and Claph #2 and this will work out to the same number of points in the public poll as what I originally suggested.

Public Poll
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Then he has a 1-2-2, I have 1-2-3 and you have 1-3-3

I want to do it because it's fairest if we all vote correctly.

No. If you change your vote, then we each will have 1-2-3 as long as Claph keeps his vote the same and doesn't change it.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:27 AM

Somehow it didn't end up all in bold so:

Public Poll
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. ntndeacon

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 09:27 AM

How will the participants in the national championship game be determined? Will it be the top folks in the computer rankings, or is it based on the final rankings?

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 09:28 AM

Re-vote Public Poll

1. jeheinz72
2. claphamsa
3. Racer
4. Anxiety
5. RendeR

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

How will the participants in the national championship game be determined? Will it be the top folks in the computer rankings, or is it based on the final rankings?

I'm guessing it's the top two in the BCS.

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

I'm guessing it's the top two in the BCS.

If that's the case, I'll shamelessly campaign for myself for inclusion in your polls. I am a neither detractor nor Catholic, and since I am already in the BCS mix, you can vote for me without having to worry about helping out the wolves.

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 09:37 AM

BTW -- someone asked about Molson again. By the process of elimination (Lathum and myself were both cleared and St. Cronin was determined to be the detractor seer), Molson is the SEC's detractor. Voting for him is a bad idea.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

If that's the case, I'll shamelessly campaign for myself for inclusion in your polls. I am a neither detractor nor Catholic, and since I am already in the BCS mix, you can vote for me without having to worry about helping out the wolves.

Yeah. You are #4 in my public poll. I already made deals with Claph and jeheinz to make them be #2 and #3 in the public poll and I'm not going to back out of those. I haven't made any deals with the private poll (unless any of my posts were misinterupted), but I can say I will include both you and ntndeacon somewhere in them in hope that you might vote for me as well.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

BTW -- someone asked about Molson again. By the process of elimination (Lathum and myself were both cleared and St. Cronin was determined to be the detractor seer), Molson is the SEC's detractor. Voting for him is a bad idea.

I agree with that.

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path
Racer
AlanT

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

OK, so I came out that I was scanning Chief. Molson threw his game so effectively against me that I won, so did not get the scan.

I think that certainly reflects Chief being something bad. As well as Molson, of course.

Other scan results?

I think your gut is right on this. Molson is a known detractor, and he had to have thrown his game to have lost to you. There was no other reason to throw it than to muck up your scan.

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I agree with that.

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path
Racer
AlanT

AlanT?!! Lathum, say it isn't so!

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

AlanT?!! Lathum, say it isn't so!

why not?

I know 100% he isn't a detractor and I also know he won't win the NC so why not?

seems like the safest bet, did I miss something?

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:04 AM

dola- I have virtualy no clue what is going on so if I majorly screwed something up someone who can make sense lemme know and I'll switch.

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 10:10 AM

Catholics win if ND wins the national championship. Non-catholics shouldn't include ND in their polls to ensure that they don't get into the mix. Since you don't need to include 5 names in your poll, I think you are better off leaving that slot blank than voting for ND.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:13 AM

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 10:13 AM

sorry I was out giving blood! Kinda light headed

Do I need to change my poll?

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

I have several times and it wasn't questioned

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

I have several times and it wasn't questioned

that was when the polls meant nothing.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

pass.

can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

Yes, you can vote for "up to" five teams. So you can vote for as few or as many as you want.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:24 AM

Public Poll

Lathum
Chesapeak
Path

fixed i think

Racer · 12-13-2007, 10:44 AM

This is what I get for the current sanction vote:

Racer - 3 votes
Mr. Wednesday - 3votes

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 10:47 AM

vote Mr Wednesday

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 10:58 AM

VOTE RACER

public poll

Barkeep

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

VOTE RACER

public poll

Barkeep

I knew you were our bad guy!

Swaggs · 12-13-2007, 11:04 AM

Public Poll:
1. Racer
2. Jeheinz72
3. claphamsa
4. Chesapeake
5. Swaggs

Vote Mr Wednesday for Sanctions

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 11:17 AM

Vote Mr. Wednesday

Public Poll (subject to change)
1. Chesapeake (shameless, I know)
2. Lathum
3. Path12
4. jeheinz
5. Racer

molson · 12-13-2007, 11:24 AM

PUBLIC POLL

Strictly because I think he's had the best season:

1. Barkeep

molson · 12-13-2007, 11:25 AM

VOTE RACER

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 11:36 AM

There seems to be a barkeep rally by the bad guys. Interesting.

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesapeake

There seems to be a barkeep rally by the bad guys. Interesting.

yup.

did he come in second in his conference?

Racer · 12-13-2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

yup.

did he come in second in his conference?

No. He won our conference.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 11:48 AM

Current Sanction Vote Count:

Mr. Wednesday - 6 votes
Racer - 5 votes

path12 · 12-13-2007, 12:26 PM

VOTE MR WEDNESDAY

PUBLIC POLL

1) Chesapeake
2) Lathum
3) Racer
4) jeheinz
5) path12

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I win if the catholcs and other bad guys dont win, I dont need to go to the BCS!

But that's not so. You only win if you get the at-large from our conference. Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference), and either someone from another conference (you lose) or me/st.cronin (Catholic/detractor -- you lose) will get the at-large.

Racer is not on anybody's side but his own conference's.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 01:00 PM

I said, "Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference),"

I meant to say parenthetically, "because if you don't get the at-large, you can't be in the NC game because you didn't win our conference."

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 01:02 PM

Just to back up Mr. W: the only player who Racer's winning supports is his own, Chief Rum, and Swaggs. It's really not all that different from Mr. W attempting to win it for his group of people.

12-13-2007, 10:13 AM	#830
claphamsa Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: non white trash MD	sorry I was out giving blood! Kinda light headed Do I need to change my poll? __________________ Dominating Warewolf for 0 games! GIT R DUN!!!

12-13-2007, 11:04 AM	#839
Swaggs Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000	Public Poll: 1. Racer 2. Jeheinz72 3. claphamsa 4. Chesapeake 5. Swaggs Vote Mr Wednesday for Sanctions __________________ DOWN WITH HATTRICK!!! The RWBL Are you reading In The Bleachers?

12-13-2007, 12:26 PM	#847
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	VOTE MR WEDNESDAY PUBLIC POLL 1) Chesapeake 2) Lathum 3) Racer 4) jeheinz 5) path12 __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-13-2007, 01:00 PM	#849
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I said, "Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference)," I meant to say parenthetically, "because if you don't get the at-large, you can't be in the NC game because you didn't win our conference." __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 08:02 AM	#803
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Public Poll 1. Barkeep49

12-13-2007, 09:07 AM	#806
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	I'm in Racer Unvote Racer Vote Mr. Wednesday 1. jeheinz72 2. Racer 3. claphamsa 4. Anxiety 5. RendeR

12-13-2007, 09:07 AM	#807
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Dola, I still can and will throw the national championship if I am facing ntndeacon or chesapeake as I previously stated. Pass has confirmed that I can indeed throw it.

12-13-2007, 09:07 AM	#808
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	FYI, claphamsa, you don't have your vote in the right order of the "plan" (Racer and I should be switched). I'm abandoning this plan if it's not changed by near-deadline.

12-13-2007, 09:08 AM	#810
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Jeheinz, just vote for me 3rd and Claphamsa 2nd.

12-13-2007, 09:25 AM	#814
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Alright, I'm going to assume you're allowed to unvote in the public poll and the submit a different top 5. If not, then I will have to adjust my private poll accordingly so Claph doesn't get screwed. Anyways, Jeheinz, again vote for me #3 and Claph #2 and this will work out to the same number of points in the public poll as what I originally suggested. Public Poll 1. Racer 2. Jeheinz72 3. claphamsa 4. Chesapeake 5. ntndeacon

12-13-2007, 09:27 AM	#816
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Somehow it didn't end up all in bold so: Public Poll 1. Racer 2. Jeheinz72 3. claphamsa 4. Chesapeake 5. ntndeacon

12-13-2007, 09:27 AM	#817
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	How will the participants in the national championship game be determined? Will it be the top folks in the computer rankings, or is it based on the final rankings?

12-13-2007, 09:28 AM	#818
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	Re-vote Public Poll 1. jeheinz72 2. claphamsa 3. Racer 4. Anxiety 5. RendeR

12-13-2007, 09:37 AM	#821
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	BTW -- someone asked about Molson again. By the process of elimination (Lathum and myself were both cleared and St. Cronin was determined to be the detractor seer), Molson is the SEC's detractor. Voting for him is a bad idea.

12-13-2007, 10:04 AM	#827
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- I have virtualy no clue what is going on so if I majorly screwed something up someone who can make sense lemme know and I'll switch.

12-13-2007, 10:10 AM	#828
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Catholics win if ND wins the national championship. Non-catholics shouldn't include ND in their polls to ensure that they don't get into the mix. Since you don't need to include 5 names in your poll, I think you are better off leaving that slot blank than voting for ND.

12-13-2007, 10:13 AM	#829
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	pass. can you confirm I can leave the final spot blank?

12-13-2007, 10:24 AM	#834
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Public Poll Lathum Chesapeak Path fixed i think

12-13-2007, 10:44 AM	#835
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	This is what I get for the current sanction vote: Racer - 3 votes Mr. Wednesday - 3votes

12-13-2007, 10:47 AM	#836
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	vote Mr Wednesday

12-13-2007, 10:58 AM	#837
SnDvls Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2001	VOTE RACER public poll Barkeep

12-13-2007, 11:17 AM	#840
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Vote Mr. Wednesday Public Poll (subject to change) 1. Chesapeake (shameless, I know) 2. Lathum 3. Path12 4. jeheinz 5. Racer

12-13-2007, 11:24 AM	#841
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	PUBLIC POLL Strictly because I think he's had the best season: 1. Barkeep

12-13-2007, 11:25 AM	#842
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	VOTE RACER

12-13-2007, 11:36 AM	#843
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	There seems to be a barkeep rally by the bad guys. Interesting.

12-13-2007, 11:48 AM	#846
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Current Sanction Vote Count: Mr. Wednesday - 6 votes Racer - 5 votes

12-13-2007, 01:02 PM	#850
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Just to back up Mr. W: the only player who Racer's winning supports is his own, Chief Rum, and Swaggs. It's really not all that different from Mr. W attempting to win it for his group of people.

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