The Biden Presidency - 2020

[GrantDawg]

And these numbers show the challenge: Just a moment...


"Less than half (48%) of Gen Z and millennials believe the U.S. should publicly voice support of Israel compared with 63% of Gen Xers, 83% of baby boomers and 86% of members of the Silent Generation, according to a recent NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist poll."
So do you chase the age group that lean the furthest left, but are also the least likely to show up or give donations while turning off the age groups that have the highest voter turn out and the vast majority of all political donations?

Tough choice.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

"Narrowing" shows Palestinian support at it is "highest" and it is still 23% in favor of Israel and with only 31% in favor of Palestinians. Ignoring the 54% in favor of the 31% is not exactly great political strategy.

Who do you think is the voting base for Biden in those charts?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Who do you think is the voting base for Biden in those charts?

He can't win without either age group. He gets a high percentage of the youth vote, but a higher base number from the older age groups.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He can't win without either age group. He gets a high percentage of the youth vote, but a higher base number from the older age groups.

Well he's chosen his group. We'll see how it works out for him next year.

[GrantDawg]

Interesting stuff.

The punchline: despite the low approval, Biden dominates with both strong and somewhat approvers while Trump dominates as strongly w strong disapprove. The Biden surprise is he splits somewhat disapprove w a slight lead. That 20% of voters is keeping his head almost above water. pic.twitter.com/FxnE02harS

— Charles Franklin (@PollsAndVotes) October 29, 2023

[PilotMan]

That's so sad. The bar has been moved so many times for what people are willing to hold their nose over and vote for.

[flere-imsaho]

The problem with an entrenched 2-party state is that most of the time you're going to be voting for someone who roughly aligns with you (at best) over someone who doesn't align with you at all (also at best).

[RainMaker]

I think it comes down to turnout. There was a lot of motivation in 2020 to vote Trump out of office. I don't know if you'll have that same motivation after 4 years of not much changing. Then again, I don't know if Trump's indictments and just tiredness of him will keep Republicans home.

It'll come down to turnout and margins are thin in many states. I do think the war is really bad for Joe if it drags out like many seem to think it will.

[RainMaker]

I also think it matters if you're in a swing state or not too. I'll never vote for Biden again, but I'm also in a state that doesn't matter. Understand why someone in a swing state would hold their nose and vote for him even if I wouldn't.

[flere-imsaho]

Who are you going to vote for, the Greens?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Who are you going to vote for, the Greens?

In Illinois you don't have to vote in every race. So I'll probably just skip it unless there is some interesting 3rd party candidate. Maybe I'll just mark Cornel West down if he's on the ballot. It really doesn't matter in Illinois.

[RainMaker]

Michigan, Virginia, and Pennsylvania have large Arab populations.




NEW: Just 17% of Arab Americans say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new @AAIUSA poll—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

“This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen,” @jjz1600 tells @TIME. https://t.co/KwOI9F3bVb

— Yasmeen Serhan (@YasmeenSerhan) October 31, 2023

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Michigan, Virginia, and Pennsylvania have large Arab populations.




NEW: Just 17% of Arab Americans say they will vote for Biden in 2024, according to a new @AAIUSA poll—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.

“This is the most dramatic shift over the shortest period of time that I’ve ever seen,” @jjz1600 tells @TIME. https://t.co/KwOI9F3bVb

— Yasmeen Serhan (@YasmeenSerhan) October 31, 2023

The6 will really enjoy the internment camps once Trump is in power.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Galaril

The6 will really enjoy the internment camps once Trump is in power.

You know he was President and that didn't happen, right? Kind of tough to scare people with the same stuff from 2016.

[Brian Swartz]

Trump is often treated as a Sponge of Infinite Evil. He's guilty not only of the many, many serious evils he actually has committed or attempted, but also of any other bad things that one can imagine. All of these can be attributed to him as well, regardless of whether or not he actually did them.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

You know he was President and that didn't happen, right? Kind of tough to scare people with the same stuff from 2016.

Yeah you know that we have far less safe guards. Hey I get it Biden is an old fart but where are the better options. I would vote for almost anyone as a D and that even includes a Bernie who would be an old fart too. I agree the good ole boy democratic machine needs to wake the f up and get someone charismatic and young to run. I wish they could get a guy like Wes Moore to run.

This all being said this will turn out far worse for this country this time around if Trump gets in there. I am a white middle aged straight vet and technology executive and really am not concerned about MAGA affecting my life. I just don’t think it is worth the risk to say yeah I will sit home knowing this gets the MAGAs party back in power. But you bros do you.

[GrantDawg]

Does anyone else see the obvious, glaring missing element in this statement?

Gov. Kevin Stitt (R-OK), before signing a proclamation declaring November “Family Month” in Oklahoma:

“Studies show that married men, ages 18 to 55, are twice as happy compared to their single peers. But today, unfortunately, we're seeing fewer and fewer people get married.” pic.twitter.com/vnA1ZE4ygt

— The Recount (@therecount) October 31, 2023

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I also think it matters if you're in a swing state or not too. I'll never vote for Biden again, but I'm also in a state that doesn't matter. Understand why someone in a swing state would hold their nose and vote for him even if I wouldn't.

Cool. I cannot imagine not voting for all Blues regardless. They at least want to protect voter rights and eliminate the gerrymandering which then could bring an influx of viable candidates, whereas if you let Republicans win, you won't have to worry about voting ever again.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by Brian Swartz

Trump is often treated as a Sponge of Infinite Evil. He's guilty not only of the many, many serious evils he actually has committed or attempted, but also of any other bad things that one can imagine. All of these can be attributed to him as well, regardless of whether or not he actually did them.

He is, and the world will be better when he is no longer here. It's not that he's a piece of shit, he allows the justification of others to forcefully engage in shitty horrific behavior and justify it by "telling it like it is".

There has never been more of a downgrade in American existance to this point. I at least can read of during the Civil War that most who engaged did respect the others they fought against. They believed in the cause even if it was morally repugnant.

The people who support Trump and justify his behavior don't believe in a cause, they just want to destroy America for anyone who isn't them, and if they can't get what they want, then burn it all down.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

Cool. I cannot imagine not voting for all Blues regardless. They at least want to protect voter rights and eliminate the gerrymandering which then could bring an influx of viable candidates, whereas if you let Republicans win, you won't have to worry about voting ever again.

They didn't do anything to protect voter rights or eliminate gerrymandering while controlling the White House, House, and Senate.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Yeah you know that we have far less safe guards. Hey I get it Biden is an old fart but where are the better options. I would vote for almost anyone as a D and that even includes a Bernie who would be an old fart too. I agree the good ole boy democratic machine needs to wake the f up and get someone charismatic and young to run. I wish they could get a guy like Wes Moore to run.

This all being said this will turn out far worse for this country this time around if Trump gets in there. I am a white middle aged straight vet and technology executive and really am not concerned about MAGA affecting my life. I just don’t think it is worth the risk to say yeah I will sit home knowing this gets the MAGAs party back in power. But you bros do you.

Our proxy is carpet bombing civilian refugee camps and Biden is out there begging for more money for bombs. Not about being an "old fart" or some tax policy dispute, I'm not voting for someone pushing for genocide and the mass murder of civilians on our dime. Same reason I wouldn't vote for Bush or any other war criminal.


If that's the best alternative they can come up with to Trump, best of luck.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They didn't do anything to protect voter rights or eliminate gerrymandering while controlling the White House, House, and Senate.

You mean the "control" of the Senate with half-GOPers Manchin and Sinema blocking any chance of passing the voting right bills passed in the House by a simple majority due to the filibuster?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

You mean the "control" of the Senate with half-GOPers Manchin and Sinema blocking any chance of passing the voting right bills passed in the House by a simple majority due to the filibuster?

So if the filibuster protects us from anything happening, the vote isn't that important anyway.

[Ksyrup]

If you don't think it's important or something that needs protecting by more than one party, then why does it matter that it didn't pass?

[SirFozzie]

Interesting, it's the Republicans making Tuberville dig his "I won't allow any promotions due to woke abortion policy in the Armed Forces" grave even deeper..

They're asking for a voice vote on 376 pending promotions, asking for unanimous consent, so Tuberville will have to object 376 times. If he leaves the floor (and doesn't get anyone to cover for him), they'll pass them all without him.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/stat...64437782249669

[JPhillips]

But the other 99 want to stay little kings so they won't curtail the power of one senator to hold things up.

[GrantDawg]

The whole system on the Senate is stupid. I don't know they get anything done. As it is, they do very little.

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[Atocep]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Interesting, it's the Republicans making Tuberville dig his "I won't allow any promotions due to woke abortion policy in the Armed Forces" grave even deeper..

They're asking for a voice vote on 376 pending promotions, asking for unanimous consent, so Tuberville will have to object 376 times. If he leaves the floor (and doesn't get anyone to cover for him), they'll pass them all without him.

https://twitter.com/BenjySarlin/stat...64437782249669

I honestly don't think Tuberville understands the depth of the damage he's doing. He thinks these people just show up every day in an acting role and there's no real harm done.

[JPhillips]

Now Vance is saying he'll block every appointment to Justice.

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

The whole system on the Senate is stupid. I don't know they get anything done. As it is, they do very little.

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yet they're a figurative dragster in speed compared to the House

[Edward64]

Comparing Muslims vs Jewish populations.

Muslim Population by State 2023 - Wisevoter

The Muslim population rate in the United States is steadily increasing. Studies estimate that there are currently 3.45 million Muslims living in America, representing approximately 1.1% of the total population.

(1) New Jersey 3%
(2) New York 2%
(3) California 1%
(4) Illinois 1%
(5) Texas 1%

Jewish Population by State [Updated March 2023]

In the United States, it is estimated that there are between 5.7 million and 10 million Jewish people. This group is known as Jewish Americans. Most Jewish Americans – as many as 95% -- are Ashkenazi Jews that were descended from the Jews of Eastern and Central Europe. The majority of these people were born in the United States.

(1) New York: 9.1%
(2) District of Columbia: 8.2%
(3) New Jersey: 6.1%
(4) Massachusetts: 4.3%
(5) Maryland: 3.9%
(6) Connecticut: 3.3%
(7) California: 3%
(8) Florida: 3%
(9) Nevada: 2.5%
(10) Illinois: 2.3%

I'm sure there'll be election polls that delineates Jews/Muslims voters sentiments all through next year. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

If I was Muslim, I would struggle between Joe vs Trump. How Jews will vote depends on how this plays out and how strong Joe's conviction is.

[GrantDawg]

Interesting, because I would have put money on there being more Muslims than Jewish citizens.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Interesting, because I would have put money on there being more Muslims than Jewish citizens.

2040

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

Interesting, because I would have put money on there being more Muslims than Jewish citizens.

According to my mother, they have overrun parts of the Dallas suburbs and are threatening to turn it into another Dearborn where people will be openly praying in the streets 5 times a day.

[Danny]

Id guess that a decent amount of jewish people are that from heritage and culture but are not actively practicing and have no real connection to israel. I am jewish, not actively practicing and have negative opinions of the atrocities from all parties involved in the current conflict.

[Kodos]

It just feels like a conflict that will never be resolved because there are extremists on both sides who simply refuse the live and let live. And so innocents on both sides continue to get caught in the crossfire.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

According to my mother, they have overrun parts of the Dallas suburbs and are threatening to turn it into another Dearborn where people will be openly praying in the streets 5 times a day.

There was plans to build the largest mosque east of Atlanta about 3 miles from me, along with a school and 21 acres of residences. There were huge protests at the time but the county couldn't stop the construction legally. It was never built, though. I have no idea what caused it to fall through.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There was plans to build the largest mosque east of Atlanta about 3 miles from me, along with a school and 21 acres of residences. There were huge protests at the time but the county couldn't stop the construction legally. It was never built, though. I have no idea what caused it to fall through.

I used to drive 25 min to get a haircut at a mall. The drive would take me past a large Shirdi Sai temple, big parking lot etc. It was off the side of a 2-lane highway. There were plenty of houses (and a couple subdivisions) around it, including houses opposite the temple.

The temple was an eyesore from my POV (and likely from most western homeowners on that road).

I'm surprised that zoning allowed it. No problem in the temple itself but if built in the middle of a residential area, I'd want 2 additional criteria. A traffic light for temple services (again, it was just a 2-lane highway) and nice tall cypress trees to better hide it from view.

I fully admit this is a prejudice/bias. I would still be critical of a church being built opposite me but admit I wouldn't be as critical as that is more of a "norm".

[Ksyrup]

As if listening to months and months of political ads hasn't been bad enough, we're now down to the final few days and the GOP governor candidate has pulled out the big guns, releasing a couple of Trump-narrated commercials. My wife and I have been muting the TV pretty much during all commercials for the past couple of months. Tonight, when we heard Trump's voice, we both reached for the remote and I accidentally switched it from YTTV to Netflix. I told my wife I'd rather watch Netflix than listen to NutFucks.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

There was plans to build the largest mosque east of Atlanta about 3 miles from me, along with a school and 21 acres of residences. There were huge protests at the time but the county couldn't stop the construction legally. It was never built, though. I have no idea what caused it to fall through.

There have been a couple of attempts at building a new mosque near me - both got blocked by local commissions, one in 2000 and one in 2007, the latter bringing about a lawsuit (though I think it was from the prospective seller of the 224 acre farm). It looks like a new site was finally found this year.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Danny

Id guess that a decent amount of jewish people are that from heritage and culture but are not actively practicing and have no real connection to israel. I am jewish, not actively practicing and have negative opinions of the atrocities from all parties involved in the current conflict.

Orthodox care about Israel, the rest don't. Israel is mostly about evangelical Christians who fetishize it.

[miked]

It's hilarious that Muslims would think they would have it better under a Trump administration (in America). Trump was a huge Netanyahu fan, wanted them to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and was generally in favor of settlements and more. He also wanted to ban travel from Muslim countries. But hey, vote for him because Biden has not scolded Israel enough.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by miked

It's hilarious that Muslims would think they would have it better under a Trump administration (in America). Trump was a huge Netanyahu fan, wanted them to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and was generally in favor of settlements and more. He also wanted to ban travel from Muslim countries. But hey, vote for him because Biden has not scolded Israel enough.

I think it is more a "stay home" situation. It is just as moronic because it helps elect the guy who would happily deport them from the country just by the basis of their religion, but on its own understandable as the Biden administration has miss played this spectacularly. Of course, I really don't see a way Biden could have threaded this needle.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by miked

It's hilarious that Muslims would think they would have it better under a Trump administration (in America). Trump was a huge Netanyahu fan, wanted them to move the embassy to Jerusalem, and was generally in favor of settlements and more. He also wanted to ban travel from Muslim countries. But hey, vote for him because Biden has not scolded Israel enough.

Seems like there is no difference between candidates on the issue. So why bother showing up? "Not funding genocide" feels like a pretty low bar for a Presidential candidate to pass to get your vote.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Seems like there is no difference between candidates on the issue. So why bother showing up? "Not funding genocide" feels like a pretty low bar for a Presidential candidate to pass to get your vote.

Ah, the single issue voter that dems mocked conservatives for being in their support for abortion bans.

When it comes to Israel, there wouldn't be much difference between anyone that has a reasonable shot at the White House. The President alone isn't going to being able to against decades of history and congress . When it comes to allies, sometimes you have to be friends with shitty people to keep your interests safe. It sucks, but it's the reality of the world we live in. Biden has at least acknowledged that there has to be a 2 state solution once this over whereas Trump would likely be pushing Israel to just drop a nuke on Palestine. But, both sides. It's all the same. We should just vote for Trump because they're essentially the same person trying to destroy our democracy, they're both openly talking about banning and deporting Palestinians from the country, and they both tried to make peace deals between Israel and Palestine that effectively annexed Palestine, correct?

Not voting for Biden over this when the alternative is as bad as it could be is one of the stupidest things I could imagine anyone on the left doing. And, of course, if Trump were to win in this scenario we'd again have those that didn't vote for Biden blaming the Biden supporters for Trump being President. 2016 all over again.

[Edward64]

Nice, Joe. Nice

Fresh revelations contradict Joe Biden’s sweeping denials on Hunter - POLITICO

Fresh revelations contradict Joe Biden’s sweeping denials on Hunter

The president hasn’t been shown to have committed wrongdoing, but a POLITICO review of recent developments casts doubts on several statements.

It's pretty obvious the below original statement is inaccurate.

After the issue of Biden relatives’ business dealings first came up in 2019, Joe Biden issued a sweeping denial that distanced himself from his family’s commercial pursuits: “I have never discussed, with my son or my brother or with anyone else, anything having to do with their businesses. Period,” he told reporters in Spartanburg, South Carolina, that August.

They've tried to amend that statement without actually saying they're amending it. So, GOP continues to pick at it.

All this because the black sheep couldn't remember to pay for his laptop repairs and abandoned the laptop.

[Ksyrup]

Whatever happened to the simpler times when idiot family members were like Billy Carter and Roger Clinton?

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Ah, the single issue voter that dems mocked conservatives for being in their support for abortion bans.

Why would Dems mock conservatives on that? The conservatives won. Roe v Wade was overturned. It's illegal in half the states. Seemed like their strategy worked.

Now maybe you can overlook your tax dollars paying for some light genocide if he was crushing it domestically, but he doesn't do shit here either. Oh I guess I can get a $500 rebate if I switch to an electric stove. 4 more years!

[RainMaker]

The funniest part of the Hunter Biden thing is that the people who bribed Hunter were actually mad in the e-mails that Hunter wasn't able to get to his Dad at all.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

When it comes to allies, sometimes you have to be friends with shitty people to keep your interests safe. It sucks, but it's the reality of the world we live in.

What is it Israel provides us as an ally? The negatives seem to far outweight the positives here.