WW 103? - 42 Attempts (Game Over - Conspirators Win) - Page 18

J23 · 10-15-2009, 02:29 PM

Well, sorry if I led us astray w/ the Stauf confusion. Damn you EF for the flavor text that I latched onto!!

Danny · 10-15-2009, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

I assume that Elser's is just planted at a location, not that it detonates wherever Hitler is. I think Stauf's ability is the only one that will point out where Hitler is at.

That almost seems really underpowered then since the bomb has to be set off two night in advance. Unless they can decide the location at the last minute.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

That almost seems really underpowered then since the bomb has to be set off two night in advance. Unless they can decide the location at the last minute.

Well, we don't know how many of the people in the ICU are going to survive. I hope they all will, but let's hold judgement on how underpowered that ability is. We don't know about some of the mechanics that are going on under the table here.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Well, we don't know how many of the people in the ICU are going to survive. I hope they all will, but let's hold judgement on how underpowered that ability is. We don't know about some of the mechanics that are going on under the table here.

Yeah, but there could be wolves in there too. Ideally we see them all die, them all be wolves and we win right there.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 02:36 PM

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Yeah, but there could be wolves in there too. Ideally we see them all die, them all be wolves and we win right there.

Well sure, that'd be great.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 03:02 PM

I think the lack of jumping on Ntn here is a good sign. He is the obvious target and you'd have to think the wolves would have jumped on the chance to vote him if he was a villager.

Telle · 10-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Hey all.. I'm home sick today, so I'm not going to be in the thread much today. Anybody have a vote count?

Danny · 10-15-2009, 03:08 PM

I think it's 2 for NTN and no other votes.

Lathum · 10-15-2009, 03:09 PM

Maybe the inverstigation is the punishment against the conspiritors for the mistaken PM.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

Maybe the inverstigation is the punishment against the conspiritors for the mistaken PM.

I thought that was just a lack of a night kill the other day.

Lathum · 10-15-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

I thought that was just a lack of a night kill the other day.

GE was the night kill, no?

Danny · 10-15-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

GE was the night kill, no?

Basically yeah, but that was still kind of punishment since it meant they couldn't hit an important role.

Lathum · 10-15-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Basically yeah, but that was still kind of punishment since it meant they couldn't hit an important role.

the vibe I got was there was going to be an additional punishment

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

the vibe I got was there was going to be an additional punishment

Hitler was going to get some additional powers or something, wasn't he?

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 03:26 PM

To be exercised later on, that's what I remember reading.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 03:31 PM

Oh yeah, and extra night power I think.

ntndeacon · 10-15-2009, 03:38 PM

I thought they got a night kill that night. besides GE

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

I thought they got a night kill that night. besides GE

No. They got no action that night.

ntndeacon · 10-15-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lathum

GE was the night kill, no?

no. I think there was an additional kill Iwill go back and look for it here after my student leaves.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 03:40 PM

The idea of Hitler gaining the power to be able to investigate Elser's attack resonates with me. I don't think we should be speculating about it, it'll just be confusing. When/if Hitler is revealed (without being killed), I'm sure he would have some info for us.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

no. I think there was an additional kill Iwill go back and look for it here after my student leaves.

There was definitely not an additional kill that night.

Chief Rum · 10-15-2009, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

Good points Jackal. It does mention that it is at a meeting, which I glossed over and focused on just the investigation portion.

If it was Elser, then we don't know that Hitler was there at all, or anything about any of the people at that location for that matter. Ugh.

Something else to consider--if it was Staufenberg. If it was, that means Staufenberg controlled the attempt, which means he and the conspirators knew it would happen. Which means we have another tool to consider who conspirators are, since it seems likely they wouldn't put conspirators in the room unless one was necessary to set it off.

But as mentioned, going by the game rules, it feels more like an Elser thing--outside of the investigation reference.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 04:02 PM

Lathum was just boxed for a few days in OT, so just a heads up that he won't be voting. The child in the balloon thread is where the stuff happened.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Lathum was just boxed for a few days in OT, so just a heads up that he won't be voting. The child in the balloon thread is where the stuff happened.

So the two of us have voted, three people in the ICU, lathum boxed, leaves 6 people left who haven't voted?

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:07 PM

I would have to imagine at least two of those people are wolves, coming from the view that I know I'm not a wolf and that Danny isn't, and that statistics points to there being less than 2 wolves in the ICU, though that's not a definite because it wasn't up to the wolves where they would be stationed when the bomb went off.

J23 · 10-15-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

I would have to imagine at least two of those people are wolves, coming from the view that I know I'm not a wolf and that Danny isn't, and that statistics points to there being less than 2 wolves in the ICU, though that's not a definite because it wasn't up to the wolves where they would be stationed when the bomb went off.

What statistics are you using to say there are less than 2 wolves in the ICU?

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by J23

What statistics are you using to say there are less than 2 wolves in the ICU?

Just the general 3 out of 12 people. That would suggest the chances are that there are less than 2 wolves, but like I said, that's not definite.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:21 PM

What evidence would you bring out against PB or Schmidty, NTN? Since those are the names you mentioned earlier.

ntndeacon · 10-15-2009, 04:22 PM

Ok I was thinking of the lynching which there was, not the night action which there wasn't. I see now. sorry for adding confusion there.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:22 PM

I'm happy to see a situation where you aren't a wolf, but we need to get some discussion going here.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Something else to consider--if it was Staufenberg. If it was, that means Staufenberg controlled the attempt, which means he and the conspirators knew it would happen. Which means we have another tool to consider who conspirators are, since it seems likely they wouldn't put conspirators in the room unless one was necessary to set it off.

But as mentioned, going by the game rules, it feels more like an Elser thing--outside of the investigation reference.

CR, again, I'm almost positive this was an Elser attack. But even if it was Stauffenberg, there's no indication that it is up to the conspirators who is in the room whatsoever. Unless I'm mistaken, its up to Hitler to decide who attends the meeting, and that would make perfect sense. So it would simply be a case of Stauffenberg (if he was at the meeting), seeing how many conspirators were there before making a decision. We can't base anything on how many people they would place somewhere, I don't think they can place people anywhere.

saldana · 10-15-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Danny

Lathum was just boxed for a few days in OT, so just a heads up that he won't be voting. The child in the balloon thread is where the stuff happened.

unless anyone has an objection, I will be taking over for Lathum while he serves his time...just waiting for him to call me to fill me in on the game

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

So the two of us have voted, three people in the ICU, lathum boxed, leaves 6 people left who haven't voted?

what time is the deadline.

ntndeacon · 10-15-2009, 04:25 PM

to be honest Jackal, I have no evidence. I just knew that we have not sniffed in their direction

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:25 PM

The deadline is 10 PM EST.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ntndeacon

to be honest Jackal, I have no evidence. I just knew that we have not sniffed in their direction

Alright. Never hurts to sniff in people's direction and make them talk some.

Danny · 10-15-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Alright. Never hurts to sniff in people's direction and make them talk some.

Unless they haven't showered recently, then it can hurt pretty bad.

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:31 PM

Har har!

EagleFan · 10-15-2009, 04:39 PM

Just catching up on the Lathum boxing. saldana will take his spot during this time period.

Sorry for the strange game far, with the PM incident and now a boxing replacement.

J23 · 10-15-2009, 04:40 PM

As far as my not voting, I'll likely be on around 8:15 or so to catch up on where the thread has gone and make my decision at that point. I'm hoping we learn something from the investigation by then, and that those that have been absent from the thread have gotten a chance to chime in.

Btw, the 2nd meeting set to happen tomorrow, correct?

Also, I don't expect to be on at deadline tonight again unfortunately.

EagleFan · 10-15-2009, 04:46 PM

Yes, second meeting tomorrow.

Chief Rum · 10-15-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

CR, again, I'm almost positive this was an Elser attack. But even if it was Stauffenberg, there's no indication that it is up to the conspirators who is in the room whatsoever. Unless I'm mistaken, its up to Hitler to decide who attends the meeting, and that would make perfect sense. So it would simply be a case of Stauffenberg (if he was at the meeting), seeing how many conspirators were there before making a decision. We can't base anything on how many people they would place somewhere, I don't think they can place people anywhere.

Yeah, like I said, I am almost positive it's an Elser attack, too. But presuming the Staufenberg hypothetical, you are correct that they don't choose who's in the room. But they do choose when. And they can make that choice after seeing who's in the room.

My guess is the conspirators weren't about to fire off a bomb unless only at most one of them was at risk (the one setting the bomb int he first place, presumeably Stauffenberg).

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, like I said, I am almost positive it's an Elser attack, too. But presuming the Staufenberg hypothetical, you are correct that they don't choose who's in the room. But they do choose when. And they can make that choice after seeing who's in the room.

My guess is the conspirators weren't about to fire off a bomb unless only at most one of them was at risk (the one setting the bomb int he first place, presumeably Stauffenberg).

But the bomb presumably has a very poor chance of working unless there is more than one conspirator in the room.

PurdueBrad · 10-15-2009, 05:01 PM

I agree that there was likely only one conspirator at the bombsite and that it was Stauffenberg, otherwise why risk it. From the rules, have we seen any evidence that more conspirators make his attempt any more likely.

I am willing, for now, to assume that there were more conspirators at the other sight. That being said, my vote will come in a minute, looking up one thing.

PurdueBrad · 10-15-2009, 05:02 PM

Okay, that's what I thought. I'll vote ntn now and hope that Hitler's investigation flushes out Stauffenberg.

vote ntndeacon

Chief Rum · 10-15-2009, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by PurdueBrad

I agree that there was likely only one conspirator at the bombsite and that it was Stauffenberg, otherwise why risk it. From the rules, have we seen any evidence that more conspirators make his attempt any more likely.

I am willing, for now, to assume that there were more conspirators at the other sight. That being said, my vote will come in a minute, looking up one thing.

The Jackal is right; it says in the rules that the more conspirators are present the more likely that the attempt will succeed.

It seems counter-intuitive then that the conspirators would be required to fire bomb a room at which they had a number of their own team in attendance. That tells me that Stauffenberg's method of attack is probably something other than an indisciminate bomb, which diverts from history.

No, it seems pretty clear Elser set this bomb two days ago, and we'll just have to mull over the Hitler investigation thing until we get more information.

GoldenEagle · 10-15-2009, 05:17 PM

Surely Lathum should be allowed to post in this forum.

EagleFan · 10-15-2009, 05:31 PM

1944 - Foxley Operation

The British government using the Special Operative Executive planned on assassinating Hitler. These plans included several attempts, or several planned attempts.

First plan: Place a bomb on the train that Hitler used. After careful study of intelligence reports this plan was called off due to the very unpredictable schedule that Hitler kept. It was never determined that there would be one known time in which the plan could be successful.

Second plan: Poison Hitler's food and drink. This plan was also scrapped, this time because they would have to use an inside man for the job and getting an inside man that close to Hitler's inner circle was deemed too risky.

Third plan: Use a sniper to assassinate Hitler. They received information about Hitler's regular schedule when he was at the Berghof. He would walk around the woods every day at 10 AM unguarded and for much of it out of sight of the sentries. Churchill was in favor of this plan but they decided to scrap the plan as the war had turned before they went through with it. They were afraid that an assassination of Hitler by the enemy could turn him into a martyr in the eyes of the remaining Nazis and much of Germany.

EagleFan · 10-15-2009, 05:39 PM

With all of the PM'd questions after last night's events, the location list did not get posted.

For day/night 4:

Berlin:
Schmidty
Danny
ntndeacon
Telle

Wolfsschanze:
Autumn
J23
PurdueBrad
Abe Sargent
KWhit
Chief Rum

Berchtesgaden:
Lathum
The Jackal

The Jackal · 10-15-2009, 05:40 PM

Clearly Lathum and I are secret lovers.

EagleFan · 10-15-2009, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Jackal

Clearly Lathum and I are secret lovers.

saldana's gonna be pissed....

10-15-2009, 05:17 PM	#896
GoldenEagle Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Little Rock, AR	Surely Lathum should be allowed to post in this forum. __________________ Xbox 360 Gamer Tag: GoldenEagle014

10-15-2009, 02:29 PM	#851
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	Well, sorry if I led us astray w/ the Stauf confusion. Damn you EF for the flavor text that I latched onto!!

10-15-2009, 03:02 PM	#856
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think the lack of jumping on Ntn here is a good sign. He is the obvious target and you'd have to think the wolves would have jumped on the chance to vote him if he was a villager.

10-15-2009, 03:07 PM	#857
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Hey all.. I'm home sick today, so I'm not going to be in the thread much today. Anybody have a vote count?

10-15-2009, 03:08 PM	#858
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	I think it's 2 for NTN and no other votes.

10-15-2009, 03:09 PM	#859
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Maybe the inverstigation is the punishment against the conspiritors for the mistaken PM.

10-15-2009, 03:26 PM	#865
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	To be exercised later on, that's what I remember reading.

10-15-2009, 03:31 PM	#866
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Oh yeah, and extra night power I think.

10-15-2009, 03:38 PM	#867
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	I thought they got a night kill that night. besides GE

10-15-2009, 03:40 PM	#870
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	The idea of Hitler gaining the power to be able to investigate Elser's attack resonates with me. I don't think we should be speculating about it, it'll just be confusing. When/if Hitler is revealed (without being killed), I'm sure he would have some info for us.

10-15-2009, 04:02 PM	#873
Danny Head Coach Join Date: Jul 2001	Lathum was just boxed for a few days in OT, so just a heads up that he won't be voting. The child in the balloon thread is where the stuff happened.

10-15-2009, 04:07 PM	#875
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I would have to imagine at least two of those people are wolves, coming from the view that I know I'm not a wolf and that Danny isn't, and that statistics points to there being less than 2 wolves in the ICU, though that's not a definite because it wasn't up to the wolves where they would be stationed when the bomb went off.

10-15-2009, 04:21 PM	#878
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	What evidence would you bring out against PB or Schmidty, NTN? Since those are the names you mentioned earlier.

10-15-2009, 04:22 PM	#879
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	Ok I was thinking of the lynching which there was, not the night action which there wasn't. I see now. sorry for adding confusion there.

10-15-2009, 04:22 PM	#880
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	I'm happy to see a situation where you aren't a wolf, but we need to get some discussion going here.

10-15-2009, 04:25 PM	#883
ntndeacon Pro Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Alabama	to be honest Jackal, I have no evidence. I just knew that we have not sniffed in their direction

10-15-2009, 04:25 PM	#884
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	The deadline is 10 PM EST.

10-15-2009, 04:31 PM	#887
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Har har!

10-15-2009, 04:39 PM	#888
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Just catching up on the Lathum boxing. saldana will take his spot during this time period. Sorry for the strange game far, with the PM incident and now a boxing replacement.

10-15-2009, 04:40 PM	#889
J23 College Benchwarmer Join Date: Jul 2009	As far as my not voting, I'll likely be on around 8:15 or so to catch up on where the thread has gone and make my decision at that point. I'm hoping we learn something from the investigation by then, and that those that have been absent from the thread have gotten a chance to chime in. Btw, the 2nd meeting set to happen tomorrow, correct? Also, I don't expect to be on at deadline tonight again unfortunately.

10-15-2009, 04:46 PM	#890
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	Yes, second meeting tomorrow.

10-15-2009, 05:01 PM	#893
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I agree that there was likely only one conspirator at the bombsite and that it was Stauffenberg, otherwise why risk it. From the rules, have we seen any evidence that more conspirators make his attempt any more likely. I am willing, for now, to assume that there were more conspirators at the other sight. That being said, my vote will come in a minute, looking up one thing.

10-15-2009, 05:02 PM	#894
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	Okay, that's what I thought. I'll vote ntn now and hope that Hitler's investigation flushes out Stauffenberg. vote ntndeacon

10-15-2009, 05:31 PM	#897
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	1944 - Foxley Operation The British government using the Special Operative Executive planned on assassinating Hitler. These plans included several attempts, or several planned attempts. First plan: Place a bomb on the train that Hitler used. After careful study of intelligence reports this plan was called off due to the very unpredictable schedule that Hitler kept. It was never determined that there would be one known time in which the plan could be successful. Second plan: Poison Hitler's food and drink. This plan was also scrapped, this time because they would have to use an inside man for the job and getting an inside man that close to Hitler's inner circle was deemed too risky. Third plan: Use a sniper to assassinate Hitler. They received information about Hitler's regular schedule when he was at the Berghof. He would walk around the woods every day at 10 AM unguarded and for much of it out of sight of the sentries. Churchill was in favor of this plan but they decided to scrap the plan as the war had turned before they went through with it. They were afraid that an assassination of Hitler by the enemy could turn him into a martyr in the eyes of the remaining Nazis and much of Germany.

10-15-2009, 05:39 PM	#898
EagleFan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Mays Landing, NJ USA	With all of the PM'd questions after last night's events, the location list did not get posted. For day/night 4: Berlin: Schmidty Danny ntndeacon Telle Wolfsschanze: Autumn J23 PurdueBrad Abe Sargent KWhit Chief Rum Berchtesgaden: Lathum The Jackal

10-15-2009, 05:40 PM	#899
The Jackal Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire	Clearly Lathum and I are secret lovers.

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