Werewolf LXII -- The BCS (Racer and Swaggs win) - Page 18

claphamsa · 12-13-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

But that's not so. You only win if you get the at-large from our conference. Otherwise, you will not win the NC (because if you don't get the at-large, you are not in our conference), and either someone from another conference (you lose) or me/st.cronin (Catholic/detractor -- you lose) will get the at-large.

Racer is not on anybody's side but his own conference's.

I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!

Barkeep49 · 12-13-2007, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!

His point is that it doesn't matter if he wins it or racer wins it: either way you lose.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I was under the impression that a win was keeping yalls out of the at large, not necessarily winning it myself!

Nope. A win is winning the NC yourself, or putting a non-detractor, non-Catholic from your own conference in the at-large (which is you and you alone, as ntndeacon won the conference, I'm Catholic, and st.cronin is detractor).

RendeR · 12-13-2007, 02:17 PM

Vote Mr. Wednesday

Public poll:

1. Jeheinz
2. RendeR

st.cronin · 12-13-2007, 02:19 PM

1. barkeep49
2. molson
3. st. cronin
4. racer
5. sndvls

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:23 PM

Hmmm... why is cronin voting racer 4th? Seems kinda odd.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

Hmmm... why is cronin voting racer 4th? Seems kinda odd.

Probably to raise a little doubt about my allegiance. I think it's been made pretty clear though that I am a loyalist to my conference.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:31 PM

The thing is, though, the only people who need to doubt your allegiance are your own conference. You're not on anybody else's side anyway. For the detractors to salvage this, they need you out of the way, so they shouldn't be putting any votes on you at all.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

The thing is, though, the only people who need to doubt your allegiance are your own conference. You're not on anybody else's side anyway. For the detractors to salvage this, they need you out of the way, so they shouldn't be putting any votes on you at all.

As I have said previously, I have submitted an action to throw the national championship game if I am facing Chesapeake or Ntndeacon (since like I said earlier, Claph and jeheiz can't make it if I make it). I would say it is definitely in both of those players' best interest to see that I don't get sanctioned.

As for everyone else, the Catholics and the Detractors have more votes then any single group of conference loyalists in the public and private polls and thus the only chance the loyalists have in beating Mr. Wednesday is to ban together in this vote.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 02:47 PM

Quick confirmation. We are supposed to email our Private Poll to Pass, correct?

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 02:47 PM

Villagers who have not voted for full slates need to think about voting for folks that they believe are cleared, otherwise the bad guys, who KNOW who their fellow bad guys are -- BK, Molson, St. C and Sndvls -- will get a disproportionately large vote.

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 02:47 PM

Yes, Racer. Send your private poll to Pass.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Quick confirmation. We are supposed to email our Private Poll to Pass, correct?

Email or PM is fine, too. I just said the thing about email since I was worried about my PM box being full. It should be okay, though.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chesapeake

Yes, Racer. Send your private poll to Pass.

Alright, thanks. I sent my private poll a few hours ago to Pass's email. I just wanted to make sure i wasn't supposed to send him a PM with my private poll.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:58 PM

Time check.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:58 PM

This deadline's a killer, it looks like we're missing Alan again.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 02:59 PM

PUBLIC POLL
1. Lathum
2. Mr. Wednesday
3. Alan T
4. Chief Rum
5. (no vote)

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Unvote Mr. Wednesday
Vote Racer

Chief Rum · 12-13-2007, 02:59 PM

Public Poll

1. Lathum
2. Alan T
3. Mr. Wednesday
4. Chief Rum
5. Render

Sanctions...

VOTE RACER

Racer · 12-13-2007, 03:00 PM

I think the vote ended up 7-7, correct?

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:01 PM

Lathum flipped, I thought it was +2 to me, but with the flip and CR voting, it should have been to you by 1.

Chief Rum · 12-13-2007, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

This deadline's a killer, it looks like we're missing Alan again.

Not sure Alan has a vote actually.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:02 PM

And I screwed up by not dumping sanctions onto you yesterday.

path12 · 12-13-2007, 03:02 PM

Crap. Tough game for the good guys.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Not sure Alan has a vote actually.

Hmm. Not sure.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by path12

Crap. Tough game for the good guys.

I don't know, it's still up in the air. Racer had a bit of an edge in the computer rankings going into the end, and I'm not sure how the polls are going to work out.

I don't know if it's officially part of the rules, but for my money, anyone who got won their conference can count it as a minor victory, as long as their conference doesn't have the at-large bid go to a detractor or Catholic.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 03:06 PM

I double checked. I'm almost sure it ended in a tie.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 03:07 PM

My private poll was: 1. Racer 2. Chesapeake 3. Ntndeacon

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:09 PM

FINAL PUBLIC POLL

1. jeheinz72
2. Racer
3. Lathum
4. Barkeep49
4. claphamsa

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:10 PM

FINAL PRIVATE POLL

1. Lathum
2. Barkeep49
3. jeheinz72
4. Racer
5. claphamsa

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:11 PM

The BCS Schools meet to discuss sanctions one last time, but are unable to get past their bickering to agree. No sanctions are decided on.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:12 PM

Final Computer Rankings
1. Racer 226
2. chesapeake 176
3. ntndeacon 159
4. Barkeep49 158
5. Mr. Wednesday 152
6. jeheinz72 131
7. claphamsa 128
8. Alan T 124
9. Swaggs 93
10. st.cronin 87
11. molson 55
12. SnDvls 52
13. Lathum 45
14. Anxiety 29
15. Chief Rum 28
16. path12 -1
17. RendeR -5

Lathum · 12-13-2007, 03:12 PM

I'm a cathloc. Even if I can't spell it

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:14 PM

I don't think anybody would have guessed that if you hadn't announced it.

hoopsguy · 12-13-2007, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I'm a cathloc. Even if I can't spell it

Signature update?

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:16 PM

FINAL BCS RANKINGS

1. Racer
2. Barkeep49
2. jeheinz72
4. chesapeake
5. claphamsa
6. Lathum

The at-large spot goes to Racer from the Big 3 Conference. As the schools from the Big 3 celebrate, it is discovered that there were some teams attempting to bring down the conference. Barkeep49 was a detractor! As if that wasn't enough, news of another evil team lurking in the conference arrives. Chief Rum was a Catholic! After putting those teams under severe probation, the rest of the Big 3 teams resume their celebration. Racer and Swaggs win!

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:18 PM

Before we get to the National Championship game, we've got to put up with the minor BCS Bowls. SnDvls takes on Alan T, in the Bad Guy Bowl, which is narrowly won by Alan T. The Good Guy Bowl is played between ntndeacon and chesapeake, another close match, won by chesapeake.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:20 PM

And now...the Big Event, the BCS National Championship Game. The THIRD meeting between Barkeep49 and Racer. Racer won the regular season matchup, but Barkeep49 managed to get vengenace in the Big 3 Conference Championship Game. Who will win the rubber match? It's Racer, in a blowout! Congratulations to Racer, the National Champion!

chesapeake · 12-13-2007, 03:20 PM

Congrats, Racer and Swaggs! I completely screwed up for my conference by not getting my PM in time to throw the conf championship to Lathum. Apologies to Path, who played a great game but suffered because of my blunder.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:23 PM

If anyone is curious to see my spreadsheet, to see what happened, and what could have happened, here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/amadaun17/WWBCS.xls

jeheinz72 · 12-13-2007, 03:24 PM

This was a crazy game.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:32 PM

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

This was a crazy game.

I agree. Thanks for putting up with it, everyone!

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

Yeah, that was pretty big, especially since it would have overridden the action to duke it to Chief Rum.

Racer · 12-13-2007, 03:39 PM

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

SnDvls · 12-13-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

If anyone is curious to see my spreadsheet, to see what happened, and what could have happened, here it is:

http://www.geocities.com/amadaun17/WWBCS.xls

Interesting, but also disappointing that so many didn't submit private polls very often.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Wednesday

We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer.

On second thought, maybe not. After looking at the spreadsheet, Lathum was way too far out of it on the computer ranking.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

After. Alan gave me three names as people he wanted on the Catholic team at the end of Day 3 -- Chief Rum, Lathum, and Mr. Wednesday. They had until the end of Day 4 to decide if they wanted to accept or decline the invitation. All three accepted.

Passacaglia · 12-13-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnDvls

Interesting, but also disappointing that so many didn't submit private polls very often.

That was probably my fault -- people realized pretty quickly that they didn't really mean anything, so why bother? I can't say I blame them.

Mr. Wednesday · 12-13-2007, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer

Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

The Catholic flip happened right at the time that Pass announced it in-thread.

I very well might have won if I hadn't flipped, but I figured it would be more fun to flip, and I think it was more fun.

12-13-2007, 02:17 PM	#854
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Vote Mr. Wednesday Public poll: 1. Jeheinz 2. RendeR __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

12-13-2007, 02:19 PM	#855
st.cronin General Manager Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Mexico	1. barkeep49 2. molson 3. st. cronin 4. racer 5. sndvls __________________ co-commish: bb-bbcf.net knives out

12-13-2007, 02:23 PM	#856
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Hmmm... why is cronin voting racer 4th? Seems kinda odd. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 02:31 PM	#858
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	The thing is, though, the only people who need to doubt your allegiance are your own conference. You're not on anybody else's side anyway. For the detractors to salvage this, they need you out of the way, so they shouldn't be putting any votes on you at all. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 02:58 PM	#865
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Time check. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 02:47 PM	#860
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Quick confirmation. We are supposed to email our Private Poll to Pass, correct?

12-13-2007, 02:47 PM	#861
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Villagers who have not voted for full slates need to think about voting for folks that they believe are cleared, otherwise the bad guys, who KNOW who their fellow bad guys are -- BK, Molson, St. C and Sndvls -- will get a disproportionately large vote.

12-13-2007, 02:47 PM	#862
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Yes, Racer. Send your private poll to Pass.

12-13-2007, 02:58 PM	#866
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	This deadline's a killer, it looks like we're missing Alan again. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#867
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	PUBLIC POLL 1. Lathum 2. Mr. Wednesday 3. Alan T 4. Chief Rum 5. (no vote) __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#868
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Unvote Mr. Wednesday Vote Racer

12-13-2007, 02:59 PM	#869
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Public Poll 1. Lathum 2. Alan T 3. Mr. Wednesday 4. Chief Rum 5. Render Sanctions... VOTE RACER __________________ . . I would rather be wrong...Than live in the shadows of your song...My mind is open wide...And now I'm ready to start...You're not sure...You open the door...And step out into the dark...Now I'm ready.

12-13-2007, 03:00 PM	#870
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	I think the vote ended up 7-7, correct?

12-13-2007, 03:01 PM	#871
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	Lathum flipped, I thought it was +2 to me, but with the flip and CR voting, it should have been to you by 1. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 03:02 PM	#873
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	And I screwed up by not dumping sanctions onto you yesterday. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 03:02 PM	#874
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Crap. Tough game for the good guys. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

12-13-2007, 03:06 PM	#877
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	I double checked. I'm almost sure it ended in a tie.

12-13-2007, 03:07 PM	#878
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	My private poll was: 1. Racer 2. Chesapeake 3. Ntndeacon

12-13-2007, 03:09 PM	#879
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	FINAL PUBLIC POLL 1. jeheinz72 2. Racer 3. Lathum 4. Barkeep49 4. claphamsa

12-13-2007, 03:10 PM	#880
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	FINAL PRIVATE POLL 1. Lathum 2. Barkeep49 3. jeheinz72 4. Racer 5. claphamsa

12-13-2007, 03:11 PM	#881
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	The BCS Schools meet to discuss sanctions one last time, but are unable to get past their bickering to agree. No sanctions are decided on.

12-13-2007, 03:12 PM	#882
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Final Computer Rankings 1. Racer 226 2. chesapeake 176 3. ntndeacon 159 4. Barkeep49 158 5. Mr. Wednesday 152 6. jeheinz72 131 7. claphamsa 128 8. Alan T 124 9. Swaggs 93 10. st.cronin 87 11. molson 55 12. SnDvls 52 13. Lathum 45 14. Anxiety 29 15. Chief Rum 28 16. path12 -1 17. RendeR -5

12-13-2007, 03:12 PM	#883
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I'm a cathloc. Even if I can't spell it

12-13-2007, 03:14 PM	#884
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	I don't think anybody would have guessed that if you hadn't announced it. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 03:16 PM	#886
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	FINAL BCS RANKINGS 1. Racer 2. Barkeep49 2. jeheinz72 4. chesapeake 5. claphamsa 6. Lathum The at-large spot goes to Racer from the Big 3 Conference. As the schools from the Big 3 celebrate, it is discovered that there were some teams attempting to bring down the conference. Barkeep49 was a detractor! As if that wasn't enough, news of another evil team lurking in the conference arrives. Chief Rum was a Catholic! After putting those teams under severe probation, the rest of the Big 3 teams resume their celebration. Racer and Swaggs win!

12-13-2007, 03:18 PM	#887
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	Before we get to the National Championship game, we've got to put up with the minor BCS Bowls. SnDvls takes on Alan T, in the Bad Guy Bowl, which is narrowly won by Alan T. The Good Guy Bowl is played between ntndeacon and chesapeake, another close match, won by chesapeake.

12-13-2007, 03:20 PM	#888
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	And now...the Big Event, the BCS National Championship Game. The THIRD meeting between Barkeep49 and Racer. Racer won the regular season matchup, but Barkeep49 managed to get vengenace in the Big 3 Conference Championship Game. Who will win the rubber match? It's Racer, in a blowout! Congratulations to Racer, the National Champion!

12-13-2007, 03:20 PM	#889
chesapeake College Starter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Arlington, VA	Congrats, Racer and Swaggs! I completely screwed up for my conference by not getting my PM in time to throw the conf championship to Lathum. Apologies to Path, who played a great game but suffered because of my blunder.

12-13-2007, 03:23 PM	#890
Passacaglia Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Big Ten Country	If anyone is curious to see my spreadsheet, to see what happened, and what could have happened, here it is: http://www.geocities.com/amadaun17/WWBCS.xls

12-13-2007, 03:24 PM	#891
jeheinz72 Pro Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Fresno, CA	This was a crazy game.

12-13-2007, 03:32 PM	#892
Mr. Wednesday Pro Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Bend, IN	We might have pulled it out if I hadn't missed the deadline without attempting to sanction Racer. __________________ Hattrick - Brays Bayou FC (70854) / USA III.4 Hockey Arena - Houston Aeros / USA II.1 Thanks to my FOFC Hattrick supporters - Blackout, Brillig, kingfc22, RPI-fan, Rich1033, antbacker, One_to7, ur_land, KevinNU7, and TonyR (PM me if you support me and I've missed you)

12-13-2007, 03:39 PM	#895
Racer College Benchwarmer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Fort Wayne, Indiana	Was Chief Rum bad from the start or did he become bad after the game started?

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