Werewolf CLXVII - The Wheel of Time - Game Over

[Vaimes]

What do you think Raven is? Batshit insane town or scum?

Do you think I'm dumb town or scum?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

"Anyone who votes for me is evil."

Okay. What are my reasons for not voting you, and who is Way More Suspicious than you?

...You're Aiel? You did read your secondary victory condition, right?

Do you seriously think, out of everyone remaining, I'm a better vote than several others, which I've already pointed out repeatedly?

[Coffee Warlord]

Originally Posted by path12

Fair, but then you need to take the green off yourself.

My post, my colors.

[Vaimes]

Hi guys, my name is Vaimes and I pay attention to things like win conditions!

Did you mention being Aiel and I completely missed it?

[Vaimes]

I miss simple "eliminate threats to the town" wincons.

[Coffee Warlord]

I never flat out said it, but I did say I attempted to steal from Grover on Night 2 and got nothing. I was hoping that would clue in my fellow Aiel as to what faction I was, without flat out saying it.

But, yes, so no one else can mistake things...

I AM AN AIEL. AIEL. I LIKE SPEARS AND LIVE IN THE DESERT.

[Vaimes]

Unvote

I'm sad at my inability to pick up on basic hints.

[Glengoyne]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

Pretty much zero chance of timmae being a wolf unless someone counter claims this.

Even from the rules description, Yellow Ajah == Bodyguard. No way in hell do they make the bodyguard a wolf.

I hadn't considered this. I was thinking of moving my vote, because even money on an Aes Sedai feels like a better bet than Vaimes. BG seems to skew those odds a bit.

[MartinD]

In support of my fellow popcorn-eating zombies...

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Raven

Sounds to me like the Cloak would make The Warder (Chief) not reveal his role if scanned. Need to address how this plays into the cheeki vs Vaimes situation.

As I said, the 0.9% is the probability that Vaimes targeted someone with an item (any item) AND that person got NK'd. We don't even need to factor in that Chief was the Warder to see how suspicious that action was. So what would be the logic? "The Dark is in control of this game, we are going to NK Chief tonight. Vaimes hasn't used his one-time ability to steal if an item is present and it looks like we aren't going to need it, so have him try on Chief before the kill."

Of course, that's assuming there really is NO way to detect that Chief was the Warder. Could be true, but it's a moot point in regards to Vaimes' action.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by MartinD

In support of my fellow popcorn-eating zombies...

Hello, my zombie lover.

[cheekimonk]

Adding to my last post...

...the whole trouble started, of course, when I made my speech about having the Ter'Angreal. Vaimes says he has one, too, and that he stole from Chief before he was NK'd but will not reveal what he got. The debate was, "Did I really steal from Vaimes because Vaimes said he got no PM?" Maybe he had 2 Ter'Angreal? Maybe I was lying? Then Vaimes said he did get the PM so I really did steal the Ter'Angreal from him. Great! Thanks.

Except, wait...Vaimes stole from Chief, the Warder, on the very same night he was NK'd. And we all know he was the Warder, it said so in his obit, so why is Vaimes saying what he got is a secret? Having gone through the trouble myself of choosing someone to steal from, I started thinking about how hard it would be to not only pick someone who had an item but someone who also got NK'd that very night. Turns out it's very, very hard.

[path12]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I started thinking about how hard it would be to not only pick someone who had an item but someone who also got NK'd that very night. Turns out it's very, very hard.

.09% hard if I remember correctly.

[path12]

BTW, cheeki is the closest thing I have for a good vibe right now.

[path12]

Also, no counter yet so for now:

UNVOTE TIMMAE

[Shoveler]

Day 4 Vote

Vaimes [2] - Cheekimonk (760), Glengoyne (820)
Coffee Warlord [1] - Raven (737)

[Coffee Warlord]

I'm going out tonight, btw, so I will absolutely not be around for the deadline. I need to get a vote in before I leave work, which is in ~1 - 1.5 hours.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Coffee Warlord

I'm going out tonight, btw, so I will absolutely not be around for the deadline. I need to get a vote in before I leave work, which is in ~1 - 1.5 hours.

[Coffee Warlord]

Actually, it's more like this tonight:

[Coffee Warlord]

And Jesus. Alright. Who to vote for.

[Coffee Warlord]

Fuck it.

Vote Zinto

He's on my list.

[Shoveler]

Day 4 Vote

Vaimes [2] - Cheekimonk (760), Glengoyne (820)
Coffee Warlord [1] - Raven (737)
Zinto [1] - Coffee Warlord (871)

[Raven]

Since we don't have a lot to work with....

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

No Vote: Glengoyne, Raven


Day 2 Vote

Grover [8] - cheekimonk (258), MartinD (259), timmae (310), Raven (387), Vaimes (388), Glengoyne (408), Coffee Warlord (453), path12 (459)
cheekimonk [6] - britrock88 (248), Narcizo (340), Zinto (396), Chief Rum (402), The Jackal (445), Grover (457)


Day 3 Vote

Grover [9] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656), MartinD (696)
Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620)
Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636)
Zinto [1] - Chief Rum (700)


Day 4 Vote (Current as of 5 PM EST)

Vaimes [2] - Cheekimonk (760), Glengoyne (820)
Coffee Warlord [1] - Raven (737)
Zinto [1] - Coffee Warlord (871)

[timmae]

vote vaimes

The steal was very convenient to last nights NK.

[Raven]

Day 1 Vote

EagleFan [5] - britrock88 (96), Narcizo (113), The Jackal (148), timmae (153), cheekimonk (163)
Timmae [4] - vaimes (83), Chief Rum (135), MartinD (151), EagleFan (190)
The Jackal [2] - Zinto (160), fontisian (182)
Grover [2] - path12 (147), Coffee Warlord (170)
Vaimes [1] - Grover (110)

No Vote: Glengoyne, Raven


Day 2 Vote

Grover [8] - cheekimonk (258), MartinD (259), timmae (310), Raven (387), Vaimes (388), Glengoyne (408), Coffee Warlord (453), path12 (459)
cheekimonk [6] - britrock88 (248), Narcizo (340), Zinto (396), Chief Rum (402), The Jackal (445), Grover (457)


Day 3 Vote

Grover [9] - Narcizo (538), Zinto (542), cheekimonk (550), Grover (562), timmae (568), path12 (571), Glengoyne (651), Coffee Warlord (656), MartinD (696)
Timmae [1] - Vaimes (620)
Cheekimonk [1] - Raven (636)
Zinto [1] - Chief Rum (700)


Day 4 Vote (Current as of 5 PM EST)

Vaimes [2] - Cheekimonk (760), Glengoyne (820)
Coffee Warlord [1] - Raven (737)
Zinto [1] - Coffee Warlord (871)

[Vaimes]

Originally Posted by timmae

vote vaimes

The steal was very convenient to last nights NK.

Am I actually going to die for this reason alone? Serious question.

[Raven]

Here's what I see...

From Day 1 voting
Timmae and Vaimes likely not aligned (rather close vote for Vaimes to be voting for fellow wolf Timmae - if that was the case)

From Day 2 voting
If cheeki is wolf - brit, narcizo, and Zinto are all not wolves (vote was too close for any of them to risk cheeki)
if cheeki is village - brit, narcizio and zinto - 1-2 would most likely be wolves
(village vs village for lynch - means wolves would likely split votes)

Day 3
Landslide on Grover gives us little info.

Day 4
Cheeki and Vaimes are def not aligned
Glengoyne so far doen't seem to be aligned with vaimes
Zinto and CW likely not aligned.

[Vaimes]

If Raven is town, literally the entire scumteam was on Grover.

That means out of [Narcizo, Zinto, cheekimonk, timmae, path12, Glengoyne, Coffee Warlord], there's like four scum. Unless it's like a three person scumteam and one or two Third Party roles. Whatever. Four scum! That's a lot of mafia on one wagon. An entire group of scummy scum, ripe for the lynching.

I don't have the strongest reads in the world, but as fellow Aiel I'm going to assume Coffee Warlord and path12 are town. That leaves five: [Narcizo, Zinto, cheekimonk, timmae, Glengoyne].

Vote Zinto

I'm just going to sheep this.

cheekimonks push on me objectively makes sense, even though it's also the most opportunistic push to ever exist, so. That's super annoying.

Ideally, since there are some independent roles thrown into the mix, a mislynch toDay won't end the game.

[cheekimonk]

I'm leaning Vaimes, Zinto, and Narc.

path12 made me suspicious early today, but I think he's just leery of a pile on like we had w/ Grover.

I kinda lean wolf on timmae, but the other Aes Sedai has not spoken up. The last 2 could both be Black Ajah (including timmae) but that seems too unbalanced.

Way too UTR for my taste: Glengoyne

[Shoveler]

Day 4 Vote

Vaimes [3] - Cheekimonk (760), Glengoyne (820), Timmae (874)
Zinto [2] - Coffee Warlord (871), Vaimes (878)
Coffee Warlord [1] - Raven (737)

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

I don't have the strongest reads in the world, but as fellow Aiel I'm going to assume Coffee Warlord and path12 are town.

In what post did path12 come out as Aiel? I'm only aware of Coffee, me, and you being Aiel.

[Vaimes]

Did you miss that whole thing where he claimed to have the Ter'Angreal.

[Vaimes]

I may not have spelled that correctly.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

Did you miss that whole thing where he claimed to have the Ter'Angreal.

I'm the only one who claimed to have the Ter'Angreal and I do. The female one. That's what started this entire mess today. If you're serious, you're making yet another mistake or you and path are more aligned than I've considered.

[Vaimes]

Wow, for some reason I thought that was path???

I need a nap.

[Vaimes]

I guess just swap cheekimonk and path in my post and go with that.

[Vaimes]

((I stayed up until 5am writing an essay. Don't judge me.))

[cheekimonk]

In fact, Vaimes, in post #754 path12 says this:

[quote=path12]I have to admit that I'm confused about the channeling but cheekimonk, if I'm reading this right it certainly looks like there are at least two Ter'Angreal's -- one for male and one for female which I guess would be Aes Sedai, right? So I guess you and Vaimes could have one?

Clearly I am not the person you want to give these to. I search for something different.[/b]

Then we find out that I did, in fact, steal your Ter'Angreal.

[Vaimes]

You guys should really get avatars. The names just sort of blend together.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

You guys should really get avatars. The names just sort of blend together.

Hah, I feel the exact opposite on BGG, I wish there was a way to make their names much larger since all the avatars and text confuse me!

[path12]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

I don't have the strongest reads in the world, but as fellow Aiel I'm going to assume Coffee Warlord and path12 are town.

I'm not Aiel, I'm Illian.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

Did you miss that whole thing where he claimed to have the Ter'Angreal.

I missed the thing where I claimed to have the Ter'Angreal. I was just quoting the rules that there were probably more than one.

I have no items.

[cheekimonk]

Originally Posted by Vaimes

Wow, for some reason I thought that was path???

I need a nap.

Vaimes, you're an evil genius or a completely incompetent boob.

[path12]

But this was already cleared up I see.

[path12]

So nothing from either Britrock or Narcizo today? That drives me nuts.

[path12]

Or Zinto either?

[Raven]

Yeah this is annoying. It seems half the people aren't anywhere to be found on potentially the last day.

[cheekimonk]

I'll be honest, I'm tempted to flip to Zinto. But it's really hard to ignore the fact that if Vaimes hadn't stolen Chief's cloak, the Dark literally would not have been able to NK him last night. How would they know Chief was the Warder? The Forsaken is one of them and is supposed to be incredibly powerful.

[Glengoyne]

I'm certainly not trying to be UTR. I'm pretty comfortable with my vote where it is. Cheeki makes good sense. I'm a little concerned with timmae's declaration as I do see the aes sedai 50/50.

[path12]

Originally Posted by cheekimonk

I'll be honest, I'm tempted to flip to Zinto. But it's really hard to ignore the fact that if Vaimes hadn't stolen Chief's cloak, the Dark literally would not have been able to NK him last night. How would they know Chief was the Warder? The Forsaken is one of them and is supposed to be incredibly powerful.

Wait a minute. After us going back and forth for an hour and a half and you getting suspicious of me because I was arguing the other side of your 99.1% certainty you are thinking about flipping????

And here I was leaning back towards Vaimes' direction. Goddamn I hate this game sometimes.