werewolf LIV! Terror at the country club (GAME OVER WOLVES WIN) - Page 18

Raiders Army · 09-07-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Just because I think one person is a villager doesn't mean that I absolutely support their conclusions.

I'm less confident that Telle is good than I am that Bug is good. So I'll stick on Telle. If Bug (or other players that I semi-trust) is not in the tie then I would consider moving off of Telle over to PurdueBrad as the only other candidate who has multiple votes.

however...isn't his trust based on the fact that he did his homework on Neon? I see the same stuff that he did on MrBug, so that's why I'm going in that direction.

Chief Rum · 09-07-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crim

See, this is exactly why I advocated the DT vote. Would have avoided this argument. Either DT would be FIRMLY in the COT (good for us) or he'd be a lynched liar (good for us), with Neon quickly to follow on Day Three (good for us).

As it is, we don't really know, do we?

sigh.

But he'll be a goner soon anyway. So it doesn't really matter. DT essentially signed his death warrant with his reveal. After probably being protected by the BG last night, he probably dies tonight.

RendeR · 09-07-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

more of a joke render

path12 · 09-07-2007, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

lol, all my posts expounding on things when if I move a couple more posts on, I see you have already acknowledged at least the possibility of my suggestion. Heh, sorry if I overdid it.

I comment as I catch up all the time. It's sort of like having a transatlantic video conference.

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

however...isn't his trust based on the fact that he did his homework on Neon? I see the same stuff that he did on MrBug, so that's why I'm going in that direction.

No, my trust of him stems largely from the fact that Neon was trying to talk people into switching over to him late in Day 1 before making his fake reveal.

A secondary consideration is that Crim didn't show up until about 15 minutes before deadline on Day 1, after many people (including Neon) had been batting his name around as a default pick for not showing up. Crim was online at FOFC, just not in the WW forum. I would be sticking to my guns much harder on this reason if he had not showed up at all until Day 2 and said, "crap, the game started already!!! thanks for not killing me!"

path12 · 09-07-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

I'll go with it if it gets my neck off the chopping block

And he was worried about getting you mad.

Chief Rum · 09-07-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Chief - no problem with coming up with theories. But that kind of falls into the "new player thinking he has three wolves in a web" school of thought. I'm just hoping I'm not falling prey to a slightly different trap by thinking I have four trusted players (Crim, Torgo, Olie, and Bug - with some variance in confidence levels) in a game where is no seer.

Yeah, it's a bit harebrained. But it does illustrate that my general vibe on you has been ambivalent (and I mean ambivalent, not neutral--I am torn between thinking you are good and bad).

If it makes you feel better, Crim's marathon posting makes me feel better about him, which makes me feel better about you. His long post is the sort of thing I have done in the past as a villager doing analysis.

Plus, I have already mentioned the "helpful new villager" vibe that I am certain you can read, too.

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:17 PM

*sighs* 15 minutes to go and I'm in the lead. Guess it's time for the reveal...

I'M THE BODYGUARD! GET YOUR DAMN VOTES OFF OF ME!!!

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:17 PM

RA/RendeR/Path12/molson

Any thoughts from those that aren't hairy?

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:18 PM

oh hell

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:18 PM

could we be any worse of a village in this damm game?

RendeR · 09-07-2007, 10:18 PM

Whale shit. Damnit can we STOP trying to lynch the GOOD roles???

VOTE MRBUG

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:19 PM

dola-

And I did not guard Neon on the first night. I was quite brain-fried that night and couldn't follow all that was going on and he didn't reveal until ten minutes 'til deadline and I had stopped reading at that point. And then I was pissed when I saw it two minutes after deadline.. and then quite confused when RPI-Fan was killed and found to be the seer.

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:19 PM

Chief, as a villager I definitely want you to think I'm a villager. As a wolf, I definitely want you to think I'm a villager. So the fact that you are ambivalent in a game where I feel like I'm playing a very straight-forward villager is probably a good sign for my wolf game if/when I get to play that side again.

Without a crappy conversion, of course .... damn I hate that mechanic. OK, done with meta-game stream of thought.

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:20 PM

dammit. My fault. I'd been sitting on my post there basically saying I was going to duke for a couple minutes. Had no idea the BG was under threat or I woulda said it all earlier

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:21 PM

Telle, can you point out anyplace in the first 850 posts of this game that you gave any indication of being the bodyguard?

Lathum · 09-07-2007, 10:21 PM

Telle 5- Cronin (683), Hoops (718), Olie (723), Pass (756), MrBug (827)
MrBug 5- Molson (679), RaidersArmy (801), Crim (808), Telle (829), Render (862)
Oliegirl 1-DNA (752)
Purdue 2- Eagle (620), Path12 (817)
DT 1- Purdue (732)

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:21 PM

Already seen one fake reveal this game, so I'm not automatically moving here. I want some conversation first and we have a couple of minutes to do it.

Raiders Army · 09-07-2007, 10:21 PM

well then, that's interesting to say the least.

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Telle, can you point out anyplace in the first 850 posts of this game that you gave any indication of being the bodyguard?

Nope. As you've all noticed, I haven't been really active this game.. never really bothered to try dropping hints. Didn't really know how without being obvious to the wolves.

But I can 100% guarantee you that nobody else is going to turn up as the bodyguard because it's me.

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:23 PM

shit...this is crazy

hoops...any thoughts on my list of 4 that I posted at the same time as telle?

molson · 09-07-2007, 10:23 PM

Telle - who did you guard on the first night?

path12 · 09-07-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Already seen one fake reveal this game, so I'm not automatically moving here. I want some conversation first and we have a couple of minutes to do it.

OK, but you seem to be the only one here in thread that has a vote on her.

Crim · 09-07-2007, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

dola-

And I did not guard Neon on the first night. I was quite brain-fried that night and couldn't follow all that was going on and he didn't reveal until ten minutes 'til deadline and I had stopped reading at that point. And then I was pissed when I saw it two minutes after deadline.. and then quite confused when RPI-Fan was killed and found to be the seer.

I've been DYING to say the whole time, "what if the reason NC was converted Night One (assuming he was the Goth) was because the Body Guard wasn't online at the fake reveal portion of the night's entertainment? I actually thought this was a strong possibility, but didn't want to put Those We Don't Speak Of onto the BG if I was right.

Chief Rum · 09-07-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by path12

Chief, any thoughts on Telle/Mr.Bug? I'm just not getting it.

No, not at all. I like Crim's goodness and analysis, but I don't feel strongly about his conclusion. And I think the argument on Telle is rather flimsy.

So I need to vote--like now--but I don't like the top candidates. And I'm not the type of player to throw away my vote on a third candidate, especially if they are still tied right now.

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

Already seen one fake reveal this game, so I'm not automatically moving here. I want some conversation first and we have a couple of minutes to do it.

That would be an incredibly ballsy move for the wolves to pull after already doing one fake reveal. And since the votes are close it would be easier to manipulate the vote counts.

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:24 PM

Yep, and I'll move it to PurdueBrad instead of to MrBug if needed.

Raiders Army · 09-07-2007, 10:24 PM

I think it's still too early in the game to do a fake reveal. I think it's real. We should find out tonight one way or the other.

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by molson

Telle - who did you guard on the first night?

Hoops. I saw him as a valuable player.. figured the wolves might too.

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:25 PM

In the interests of not bringing this down to the wire:

UNVOTE TELLE
VOTE PURDUEBRAD

Raiders Army · 09-07-2007, 10:26 PM

Just a gut feeling, but I think hoops and cronin are either both wolves or one is a wolf.

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

shit...this is crazy

hoops...any thoughts on my list of 4 that I posted at the same time as telle?

Yeah, ranking them in order of most suspicious to least:
Molson
Raiders
Path/RendeR (toss-up)

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:27 PM

raiders/render/molson/path

anyone not a wolf have any thoughts in the next 3 minutes?

MrBug708 · 09-07-2007, 10:27 PM

Back from the walk and it's not looking good.

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:28 PM

interesting

path12 · 09-07-2007, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

raiders/render/molson/path

anyone not a wolf have any thoughts in the next 3 minutes?

I know path is good. Other than that, no.

Chief Rum · 09-07-2007, 10:28 PM

Ah crap...what the hell...

VOTE BUG

Us outing roles too early == bad situation for village.

MrBug708 · 09-07-2007, 10:28 PM

Looks like it'll be the death of me.

Thanks Crim..I hope your next

RendeR · 09-07-2007, 10:28 PM

I am not a wolf, I think I need alcohol.

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Back from the walk and it's not looking good.

Sorry Bug.. I don't have a really strong bad vibe about you.. but it ended up coming down to you and me.. and, well, I'm the one with a role.

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:29 PM

you'll live bug

Telle · 09-07-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RendeR

I am not a wolf, I think I need alcohol.

Me too.. feel free to play bartender and set us up.

MrBug708 · 09-07-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Telle

Sorry Bug.. I don't have a really strong bad vibe about you.. but it ended up coming down to you and me.. and, well, I'm the one with a role.

No problem. I think I played it as one of the safest and least obvious to be a wolf so someone is obviously trying to throw the village off

Crim · 09-07-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Raiders Army

I think it's still too early in the game to do a fake reveal. I think it's real. We should find out tonight one way or the other.

Not necessarily. Telle could get herself fricaseed, sure, then we'd know. But Someone else crawls onto a dinner plate, or there's a no-kill, and we're still just guessing.

Raiders Army · 09-07-2007, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hoopsguy

A secondary consideration is that Crim didn't show up until about 15 minutes before deadline on Day 1, after many people (including Neon) had been batting his name around as a default pick for not showing up. Crim was online at FOFC, just not in the WW forum. I would be sticking to my guns much harder on this reason if he had not showed up at all until Day 2 and said, "crap, the game started already!!! thanks for not killing me!"

Just a quick GM question: I thought this wasn't "ethical"? To look at who's online, who's browsing the thread, etc. I've been away for a few games, but I thought this was frowned upon. There was something else way earlier in the thread that was more gamism than this, but I can't remember where it was.

RendeR · 09-07-2007, 10:30 PM

Umm...Ding?

hoopsguy · 09-07-2007, 10:31 PM

Interesting, I was hoping that Bug would show up because I had him pegged as the bodyguard. But the fact that he is not immediately disputing Telle makes me think that I whiffed on this.

Chief Rum · 09-07-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

you'll live bug

Hmm, so who did you choose?

DaddyTorgo · 09-07-2007, 10:32 PM

DEADLINE

Crim · 09-07-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

raiders/render/molson/path

anyone not a wolf have any thoughts in the next 3 minutes?

I don't suspect any of these. Sorry.

09-07-2007, 10:18 PM	#862
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Whale shit. Damnit can we STOP trying to lynch the GOOD roles??? VOTE MRBUG __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-07-2007, 10:28 PM	#889
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	I am not a wolf, I think I need alcohol. __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-07-2007, 10:30 PM	#896
RendeR Coordinator Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Buffalo, NY	Umm...Ding? __________________ http://wotlabs.net/s...8/signature.png http://wotlabs.net/sig_dark/na/banichi18/signature.png

09-07-2007, 10:17 PM	#858
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	sighs 15 minutes to go and I'm in the lead. Guess it's time for the reveal... I'M THE BODYGUARD! GET YOUR DAMN VOTES OFF OF ME!!!

09-07-2007, 10:17 PM	#859
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	RA/RendeR/Path12/molson Any thoughts from those that aren't hairy?

09-07-2007, 10:18 PM	#860
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	oh hell

09-07-2007, 10:18 PM	#861
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	could we be any worse of a village in this damm game?

09-07-2007, 10:19 PM	#863
Telle College Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	dola- And I did not guard Neon on the first night. I was quite brain-fried that night and couldn't follow all that was going on and he didn't reveal until ten minutes 'til deadline and I had stopped reading at that point. And then I was pissed when I saw it two minutes after deadline.. and then quite confused when RPI-Fan was killed and found to be the seer.

09-07-2007, 10:19 PM	#864
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Chief, as a villager I definitely want you to think I'm a villager. As a wolf, I definitely want you to think I'm a villager. So the fact that you are ambivalent in a game where I feel like I'm playing a very straight-forward villager is probably a good sign for my wolf game if/when I get to play that side again. Without a crappy conversion, of course .... damn I hate that mechanic. OK, done with meta-game stream of thought.

09-07-2007, 10:20 PM	#865
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	dammit. My fault. I'd been sitting on my post there basically saying I was going to duke for a couple minutes. Had no idea the BG was under threat or I woulda said it all earlier

09-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#866
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Telle, can you point out anyplace in the first 850 posts of this game that you gave any indication of being the bodyguard?

09-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#867
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Telle 5- Cronin (683), Hoops (718), Olie (723), Pass (756), MrBug (827) MrBug 5- Molson (679), RaidersArmy (801), Crim (808), Telle (829), Render (862) Oliegirl 1-DNA (752) Purdue 2- Eagle (620), Path12 (817) DT 1- Purdue (732)

09-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#868
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Already seen one fake reveal this game, so I'm not automatically moving here. I want some conversation first and we have a couple of minutes to do it.

09-07-2007, 10:21 PM	#869
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	well then, that's interesting to say the least.

09-07-2007, 10:23 PM	#871
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	shit...this is crazy hoops...any thoughts on my list of 4 that I posted at the same time as telle?

09-07-2007, 10:23 PM	#872
molson General Manager Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: The Mountains	Telle - who did you guard on the first night?

09-07-2007, 10:24 PM	#877
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Yep, and I'll move it to PurdueBrad instead of to MrBug if needed.

09-07-2007, 10:24 PM	#878
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	I think it's still too early in the game to do a fake reveal. I think it's real. We should find out tonight one way or the other.

09-07-2007, 10:25 PM	#880
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	In the interests of not bringing this down to the wire: UNVOTE TELLE VOTE PURDUEBRAD

09-07-2007, 10:26 PM	#881
Raiders Army Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Black Hole	Just a gut feeling, but I think hoops and cronin are either both wolves or one is a wolf.

09-07-2007, 10:27 PM	#883
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	raiders/render/molson/path anyone not a wolf have any thoughts in the next 3 minutes?

09-07-2007, 10:27 PM	#884
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Back from the walk and it's not looking good.

09-07-2007, 10:28 PM	#885
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	interesting

09-07-2007, 10:28 PM	#887
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Ah crap...what the hell... VOTE BUG Us outing roles too early == bad situation for village.

09-07-2007, 10:28 PM	#888
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Looks like it'll be the death of me. Thanks Crim..I hope your next

09-07-2007, 10:29 PM	#891
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	you'll live bug

09-07-2007, 10:31 PM	#897
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Interesting, I was hoping that Bug would show up because I had him pegged as the bodyguard. But the fact that he is not immediately disputing Telle makes me think that I whiffed on this.

09-07-2007, 10:32 PM	#899
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	DEADLINE

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