Werewolf XCVI: The Dark One and The Order of Righteousness (GAME OVER EVIL WINS)

[RendeR]

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Tyrith

I mean, given all my choices here, this is about how I'd rank them -

USFL jail
clap lynch
USFL lynch
BK jail

I would really prefer to leave BK alone at this point, when we deal with Schmidty we'll deal with BK. USFL is the aforementioned argument, and keeping people alive seems to be in the village's favor at this point. clap, on the other hand, seems like he's going to be loose this game regardless, so I don't really care to keep him alive. I'd rather have the vote record.

BTW, we're likely going to have day 1 version 3 tomorrow unless something interesting happens, and we need to keep that in mind.

Tyrith had pegged me early when he added USFL to the vote list instead of following me on Sndvl. He did on many cases discourage voting for clap, although here he encourages it somewhat.

[The Jackal]

Originally Posted by Telle

Wow

+1

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Heck, yeah, taking out the DO, that is absolutely huge.

You know who else is pissed? dubb! He probably feels the way I felt when Lathum bought it as Jack the Ripper on Day Two of my first game. I was like WTH!!!

Yeah, totally. He's looking at the DO's long list of powers and silently weeping.

Unless the DO gets to take over somebody else in which case oh crap.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

I think it must clearly be a special unlisted ability, either of Pass's or someone else. Frankly I think unless somebody confesses we have to assume it's a wolf move.

I would think pass would have shown up if he had known it was going to happen, so probably a third party.

[lerriuqs]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

Based on the rules and the note that it was an inside job...It's not clear at this point.

Originally Posted by dubb93

Players in jail DO NOT count towards victory conditions and are considered dead until they are either released from jail, broken out of jail, or executed.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I would think pass would have shown up if he had known it was going to happen, so probably a third party.

I think this is prescicely why he doesn't show

[Chief Rum]

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

[Chief Rum]

Is there any evil role/role with evil leanings that could be considered to have an "in" at the royal court?

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

That seems like a pretty good theory.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

I found the timing of the Pass release interesting as well. I think it's quite possible this was done by the wolves in hopes to draw suspicion off of Clap and haev Pass duked or lynched at that point.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Yeah, I think it's a third party. In fact, my guess, is given the timing, that the wolves (maybe Tyrith the DO himself) had this one time power to free a prisoner at any time (day or night), and they had a wolf on the hook with clap. So they decided to try to get Schmidty to duke to pass by "releasing" him early. And if it didn't work, well, clap was on his way to jail, not a lynch.

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse. Trytih obviously tripped a suspicion here or there, but let's face it, he was nowhere near anyone's list (other than Schmidty, I guess) for being The Guy.

So you are saying not only were we lucky enough to have Schmidty nail Tyrith, but also have clap on the hook as a wolf?

[Autumn]

I guess I will wait 'til morning to discuss things further. We've got a lot to work with tomorrow though.

[Lathum]

Is it possible Pass is a wolf and didn't want to risk 2 scans in a row?

[Passacaglia]

Hi, everybody!!!

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Hi, everybody!!!

explain yourself.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by Lathum

So you are saying not only were we lucky enough to have Schmidty nail Tyrith, but also have clap on the hook as a wolf?

Well, let's face it, if clap is a wolf, it's not like we had to hook him. We were just hanging out on the pier and he jumped out of the water and right into the fish bucket.

Really, I still don't know what the deal is with clap. But there is some compelling circumstantial evidence here. clap's odd behavior (such as his Render vote), the "told to come here" post, Tyrith seeming to work against jailing anyone, and clap in particular late, etc. There is also some logical evidence that the wolves would not like the jail strategy no matter who goes in, as it either finds a wolf or establishes a COT, even if that's done inefficiently (as BK will note).

[Passacaglia]

I just got in and am off to bed soon. There's a lot I want to say, but I want to wait for certain other people to say some stuff first. Sorry I can't be of more help -- although I will say that I didn't break myself out.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I find it a little interesting that I posted four possible "quiet" targets and picked one myself, Sndvls. Then several people have come in and targeted USFL instead with no reasoning. Why start a new quiet target rather than capitalizing on the one with one vote already?

Catching up, but I picked him because I haven't played with him before and he's been quiet. SnDvls mentioned he had a schedule problem today and I know that he can have some valuable insights.

Not that USFL couldn't. I just don't know him as well. Nothing personal.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by RendeR

explain yourself.

I explained everything in my letter -- didn't you guys read it in the paper?!?

[hoopsguy]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

Probably a low risk move at that point that backfired when Schmidty pulled the Duke Move of All Time out of his arse.

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

[Chief Rum]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

Heh...enlighten me. Unless you're talking about my Duke move, yeah, that was pretty bad ass.

[path12]

Originally Posted by USFLTecmo

I'm suspicious of anyone that's advocating a lynch rather than jail for anyone at this point.

Fair enough. I understand that point of those who argue jail. Funny thing though is that feel exactly the opposite, and believe I have a valid point as well.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I explained everything in my letter -- didn't you guys read it in the paper?!?

I knew I should have read that paper more times.

I'm out for the night.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Autumn

I knew I should have read that paper more times.

I'm out for the night.

Me too. Night all.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

clap, do you have a like a stock set of suspicious posts you save up to just break out in the middle of the games? Like, hmm, I think I'll take Post "C" from my Wolfy Things To Say, Set IV?

LOL. Personally I love that clap always gets himself in hot water but just keeps on GIT'n R DUN. I find him one of the most enjoyable people around here.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Danny

It's a small thing, but yesterday when I voted Barkeep I thought Pass was the leading vote getter. When I made the vote, Telle pointed out that Barkeep was in the lead. I asked her to post the vote count since she seemed to know. She posted it very quickly. She obviously had the vote count done and handy, but chose not to post it until I pointed it out. And it had been a long while since there was any vote count.

IIRC, Telle usually keeps good notes during a game. Way better than I do anyway.

[path12]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The knights, no longer stunned rise to once again face Tyrith or The Dark One as he is known. Knights surround The Dark One on all sides. The battle is fierce and The Dark One, drained by his prior magic use, is severely weakened. One of the knights finally lands the killing blow, a through and through of the abdomen. The Dark One falls to the ground dead. Tyrith was The Dark One. As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight into the kingdom of Metou.

Ho-ly crap. Well done Schmidty. Very well done.

[path12]

Originally Posted by RendeR

Ok lets get focused back on "How the fuck did Pass escape??"

I would really like to hear something from Pass on this.

[SnDvls]

caught up. (twins has a great dinner/day BTW)

Heck of a move Schmidty lucky or not.

I still like the jailing of people each night until a COT is established.

Yes I'm a "quiet" player and UTR. In just about every game I play. I see no sence in adding to the lost/forgotten posts with nonsence. If that puts a target on me so be it. I'm a big boy I can handle that.

I voted BK for jail again as I was suspect of him pushing for Schmidty for King as I would have been for someone pushing me hard. We both play a very similar style and both have West Coast schedules that make playing the game a bit harder for us. It appears I was wrong on one account at least (Schmidty) but I feel like BK has gained a little of my trust even if his "shot in the dark" of Schmidty for king was a good one as there is no way he could have known his role either.

one thing to really think about with the jailing, which I assume won't happen later in the game when a COT is made. Jailed villagers don't count in the final ratio count so we need to remember this as we move forward and our numbers get less and less

[Tyrith]

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

I would suggest that someone needs to bone up on their WW history.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure X-COM is always going to win that one. (Hopefully.)

[MartinD]

Originally Posted by dubb93

The Dark One falls to the ground dead. Tyrith was The Dark One. As the knights celebrate a flash of light explodes from The Dark One and an entity is seen leaving the body of Tyrith and heading straight into the kingdom of Metou.

My suspicion is that one of the other wolves will now take over as The Dark One (in other words, one of The Dark One's 'other powers' is an ability to take over someone else when he's killed). The details of how this work aren't clear, though - is this just a one-off thing? (would seem to be a really powerful ability if it's not), can the Dark One only take over one of his followers?

Before anyone says anything, I don't have any information on how this works - just throwing out a few possibilities for general speculation.

[DaddyTorgo]

what's up? i crashed on the sofa at like 10:40pm last night.

and i've got an important 10am mtg with MetLife so i'll be gone at that point too.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

what's up? i crashed on the sofa at like 10:40pm last night.

Everyone is pumped that I've been freed from jail.

[DaddyTorgo]

everyone is fucking confused about HOW you've been freed and would like more insight.

and i'm in the camp of "ballsy move schmidty but way to go!!"

Hey, if it works you got to give the guy props.

[Passacaglia]

Bad news, folks -- I've got a meeting that is scheduled to end at 10:45 Central. The good news is that this gives me time to see the day unfold little before I figure out what to do.

[RendeR]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Everyone is pumped that I've been freed from jail.

Yeah lets fess up with some info on this miraculous escape of yours before we throw you back in =)

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

Hey, if it works you got to give the guy props.

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

[Autumn]

Wow, I expected more talk overnight.

I will hold off until we see the night results and hear more about Pass's amazing escape.

[Lathum]

Any guesses as to who we should make king?

I think now that we know Schmidty is good we consider BK, I doubt as a wolf BK makes that early suggestion.

[Lathum]

oops, forgot night results aren't up yet. I woke up early today to study for my final.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

I think we are living in the time of the duke! From Schmidty here, Barkeep's duking of Pass and Chief's duking of Poli, the dukes have now hit three straight against the odds.

[saldana]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I won't

It's a poor move that 75% of the time gets a villager killed and throws mass amounts of confusion into the game.

dude. let it go. he took a risk..followed his gut...thats what this game is about probably 90% of the time....it paid off...enjoy that fact, and let the guy have his moment in the sun for christs sake.

[Danny]

Now the night deadline has passed, I will post some more in depth thoughts.

[Danny]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

Pass Jail - 10 - Clap (222), USFL (253), MartinD (261), Hoops (300), path12 (344), Tyrith (366), lerriuqs (372), Pass (380), Jackal (383), BK (395)
BK Jail - 8 - Lathum (177), Render (210), SnDvLs (233), DT (235), saldana (278), CR (295), Danny (349), Kwhit (369)
KWhit Jail - 2 - Autumn (254), Telle (320)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Schmidty (298)

We don't have too many names to fill here, but it is worth noting that Tyrith stayed off of BK.

[Danny]

ay 2 Final Vote Count:

Abe/Clap Jail - 5 - USFL (528), Telle (618), DT (624), CR (626), KWhit (666)
BK Jail - 4 - Lathum (497), MartinD (527), Sndvls (532), lerriuqs (547)
Abe/Clap Lynch - 3 - Saldana (503), The Jackal (560), BK (698)
Pass Jail - 3 - Tyrith (718), Autumn (770), RendeR (783)
USFL Lynch - 2 - Path (557), Schmidty (558)
KWhit Lynch - 1 - Clap (656)
Telle Jail - 1 - Danny (736)

Tyrith stayed off of Clap here at the end and off of BK once again

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by saldana

dude. let it go. he took a risk..followed his gut...thats what this game is about probably 90% of the time....it paid off...enjoy that fact, and let the guy have his moment in the sun for christs sake.

That's all fine and good, I just hope the next King doesn't go rogue without consulting us just for the sake of using their power before they get removed from office.

Like I said, had Tyrith come up villager we would be screaming for Schmidtys head today.

With everything the King does being so public I think we should have a say in the moves he makes that could adversely effect us.

All the credit to Schmidty for getting Tyrith, he deserves all the praise for making a nice gut read, but I''m not going to say it was a good move when the math says otherwise.

[Danny]

What I find really interesting as CR pointed out last night was Pass' release from jail. This followed with Tyrith moving his vote to try and put pass back in jail. I think there's a reasonable chance the wolves released Pass (a villager) to try and get the lynch vote off of Abe/Clap and possibly Barkeep as well. The whole way this went down with Tyrith then immediately jumping on Pass and encouraging Schmidty to duke is a strong piece of information we can use.

[Danny]

I see no reason not to lynch Abe today and test this theory out. BK may not be a poor choice as well. With the way everything went down I think it's highly likely there was a wolf in the top of the voting and possibly even two.

[dubb93]

As the night turns back into day the kingdom is abuzz with the news of yesterdays death of both the king and The Dark One. As you fetch your newspaper you know exactly what to expect as you read the headline and you are not let down as a picture of the deceased King Schmidty is on the front page as well as the body of the dark one. Also on the front page is a picture of Lord Righteous. The headline above the picture reads:

Fire claims Lord Righteous

The news of the death of Lord Righteous is shocking. You are even more surprised to learn that Danny was in fact Lord Righteous. As you open the newspaper you find an article written by Diffama Fabula:

Diffama here! Nothing to report today except for the wonderful slaying of the Dark One by King Schmidty.

LONG LIVE KING SCHMIDTY...LONG LIVE KING SCHMIDTY!

Through his actions he has earned a place in our pantheon of national heroes, that is for sure!

The town is abuzz wondering how Citizen Passacaglia broke out of jail - with Passacaglia referencing a letter included in last night's paper. I encourage everyone (including myself!) to read it carefully and see if there are clues. Cryptically, Passacaglia also was heard in public referring to "waiting for someone else to make a statement on the matter."

Citizens are worried still - wondering if the Dark One has managed to assume another form as a final act. Although I have no hard evidence, this seems to me like it would be sensible - otherwise he was extremely vulnerable.

You spend the next several hours reading the multiple stories on the life and times of King Schmidty.

Day 3 has begun. Today there will be a king election as well as a voting deadline.

King Election Deadline 7p EST Wednesday
Voting Deadline 11p EST Wednesday

1. Barkeep49
2. lerriuqs
3. USFLTechmo
4. Abe
5. MartinD
6. hoopsguy - Vanilla Villager, Killed Night 1
7. Passacaglia
8. Telle
9. The Jackal
10. Danny - Lord Righteous, Killed Night 2
11. Autumn
12. Lathum
13. SnDvls
14. RendeR
15. Chief Rum
16. saldana
17. DaddyTorgo
18. Tyrith - The Dark One, Duked Day 2 by Schmidty
19. path12
20. KWhit
21. Schmidty - Elected King Day 1, Killed Day 2 by Tyrith, Vanilla Villager

Lord Righteous - A 100% chance to block kill attempts done by The Dark One or any followers of The Dark One. Also has a 50% chance to learn the identity of any followers of The Dark One on a blocked night kill attempted by that person. Lord Righteous will not be able to ID The Dark One.