Trump Indictment/Trial thread-2023

[molson]

That's a pretty common offense around here to steal stuff from Home Depot and then bring it to the customer service desk and get a refund.

[Thomkal]

Ha, everything is a business transaction with him-pay your dues NATO members or we won't protect you anymore. i had the right to sell them to the Saudis or whomever because they were mine

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

lol

He stole the documents because he thought he'd get paid to return them.

Hannity: “I can’t imagine you ever saying, ‘Bring me some boxes we brought back from the White House. I’d like to look at them.’”

Trump: “I would do that..I have the right to take stuff! You know they ended up paying Nixon $18 million for what he had.”
pic.twitter.com/tyY7YFnUym

— The Intellectualist (@highbrow_nobrow) February 26, 2024

Hannity always gives softballs to try to help him create some wiggle room to make an argument and he just continues to not only swing and miss but dig himself into a deeper hole.

[albionmoonlight]

It's still amazing the extent to which he just had to (1) Not incite J6, and (2) not steal a bunch of stuff on his way out the door and he'd be sitting pretty and probably very very likely to win in November.

The own goals are kind of astonishing.

[Lathum]

Live look in at Trump and Hannity

[flere-imsaho]

He's not behind bars because....

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

He's not behind bars because....

pussies?

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

pussies?

He grabs them

[Lathum]

Not sure where to post this. Hard to believe these two upstanding humans would produce someone capable of committing crimes. I look forward to the GOP outrage.

Rep. Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler arrested, faces 22 charges after alleged thefts

[thesloppy]

Boebert crime family

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Not sure where to post this. Hard to believe these two upstanding humans would produce someone capable of committing crimes. I look forward to the GOP outrage.

Rep. Lauren Boebert’s son Tyler arrested, faces 22 charges after alleged thefts

Her political career is over. She was ignored by the other candidates in the last debate in Colorado, which means they don't see her as a threat at all.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Her political career is over. She was ignored by the other candidates in the last debate in Colorado, which means they don't see her as a threat at all.

For sure.

This actually gives her a chance to back out gracefully and for a legitimate reason, but she is too stupid to take it.

[GrantDawg]

The Supreme Court is going to hear arguments on the Presidential immunity issue. Oral arguments on April 22, and a decision is expected in June.

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[GrantDawg]

Dola: Whatever their decision, there is now a next to zero chance that any of Trump's criminal trials will happen before the election.

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[JPhillips]

Yeah. Very little chance the opinion comes out prior to the end of June and the Justice Dept. will pull the plug rather than have a trial during the Fall.

[RainMaker]

This is what happens when you wait 2 and a half years to charge him.

[Lathum]

Yup. Garland owns a lot of the blame.

[Brian Swartz]

Hail Caesar!

[Ghost Econ]

Like father, like son

https://www.newsweek.com/lauren-boeb...-tyler-1874680

Im sure they'll blame the LGBTQ+ community.

[RainMaker]

He was caught on surveillance wearing a sweatshirt with his Mom's restaurant on it. Just galaxy brain stuff.

[GrantDawg]

"He once met a trans person, so he couldn't stop himself. An illegal immigrant introduced them."

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[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Ghost Econ

Like father, like son

https://www.newsweek.com/lauren-boeb...-tyler-1874680

Im sure they'll blame the LGBTQ+ community.

When it is all said and done, it will be interesting to see where Boebert is ranked on the all-time worst lists for congress. She has to be up there, even among a lot of contemporaries.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

When it is all said and done, it will be interesting to see where Boebert is ranked on the all-time worst lists for congress. She has to be up there, even among a lot of contemporaries.

Right up there with the Anthony Weiner's

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Yup. Garland owns a lot of the blame.

This is also an insane indictment just to satisfy Fox News people who fucked up and left an unencrypted live feed open on the internet.

Indictment of Florida journalist raises troubling questions - Columbia Journalism Review


Just remember that next time we hear about how Trump will shut down the press. Biden will too!

[albionmoonlight]

I’m disappointed in the Court. I thought it had more respect for the law than to become a party to Trump’s delay tactics. I was wrong.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

"He once met a trans person, so he couldn't stop himself. An illegal immigrant introduced them."

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They actually went with covid shutdowns causing him to commit crimes.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

They actually went with covid shutdowns causing him to commit crimes.

lol they are a creative bunch.

[Lathum]

Crooked judge Cannon about to push trumps trial back in the docs case.

[JPhillips]

There aren't going to be any more trials of Trump. He's won this round.

[kingfc22]

He will never face any real punishment for his crimes. Not sure why anyone is surprised at this point.

Can’t wait for the crimes that will highlight his second presidency because he knows he will get away with it and that is exactly where we are headed

[CrimsonFox]

Trump's delays are over. He officially has to pay the 83+ million for the Carroll defamation case or else post bond. The judge said no to any delays and that he has had since January to organize his finances because this was always a possible outcome. No more delays.

I am sure he will counter by dedaming Carroll again

[CrimsonFox]

A London judge ordered trump to pay his legal fees for his failed attempt to sue someone. Came to $300000. Ya know he soooo hates people saying things about him and being told what to do. Billionaires are sick people. Even tho they have all this money they are psychos about getting rid of even one dollar.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

A London judge ordered trump to pay his legal fees for his failed attempt to sue someone. Came to $300000. Ya know he soooo hates people saying things about him and being told what to do. Billionaires are sick people. Even tho they have all this money they are psychos about getting rid of even one dollar.

He doesn't have as much money as he wants us to think, at least not liquid.

It is going to be a great day when he has to start selling property.

[bronconick]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Trump's delays are over. He officially has to pay the 83+ million for the Carroll defamation case or else post bond. The judge said no to any delays and that he has had since January to organize his finances because this was always a possible outcome. No more delays.

I am sure he will counter by dedaming Carroll again

$92 million bond paid by probably Orban, Musk, or the RNC after Lara Trump became co-chair today.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by Lathum

He doesn't have as much money as he wants us to think, at least not liquid.

It is going to be a great day when he has to start selling property.

yup...as much as billionaires are pussies about giving up just one cent, I am surprised anyone wants to pay his fees.

[RainMaker]

He'll just get a "loan" from the Saudis or one of the banks he uses for money laundering. It's really not a big deal.

[Thomkal]

judge in the Georgia disqualify DA Willis has ruled in part for each side-didn't see any of the conflict of interests trump was making, did not find witness testimonies compelling but for the sake of propriety either Willis and her whole team steps down or assistant DA Wade who had the relationship with her-not heard what Willis has decided on this:


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/statu...20846808215951

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Thomkal

judge in the Georgia disqualify DA Willis has ruled in part for each side-didn't see any of the conflict of interests trump was making, did not find witness testimonies compelling but for the sake of propriety either Willis and her whole team steps down or assistant DA Wade who had the relationship with her-not heard what Willis has decided on this:


https://twitter.com/KatiePhang/statu...20846808215951

Nothing official, and I guess they could appeal but I doubt they will. Letting Wade go is the simplest solution. Interestingly the judge also says that if by appeal the judge panel does decide Willis should be forced off the case, that it wouldn't technically disqualify her whole office. Because the decision would be based on "appearance of impropriety" and not proven impropriety that it wouldn't be enough to remove the whole office.

[flere-imsaho]

The irony of the comparison in levels of impropriety between what Wade & Willis did vs. what the case is actually about is yet another signifier in the decline and fall of American democracy.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

The irony of the comparison in levels of impropriety between what Wade & Willis did vs. what the case is actually about is yet another signifier in the decline and fall of American democracy.

No it is not. First of all, there has never been a comparison of the two. What is happening is called "due process." It is a very common defense tactic to try to disqualify a prosecutor. It usually goes no where but then prosecutors usually don't do things as blatantly stupid as this one did. To not hear this challenge would have been a mistake and probably grounds for a new trial on appeal, regardless of how much you and I dislike the defendant. Saving democracy doe not included throwing out jurisprudence.

[GrantDawg]

Dola: Wade officially resigned.

[flere-imsaho]

I feel there's an unambiguous dichotomy between the coverage of Willis/Wade's impropriety and that of the impropriety found in the case that's actually being prosecuted, to say nothing of the greater universe of impropriety attributed to Trump and his ecosystem. And I think that's a problem for society and for democracy. And I wish I could figure out how to solve it.

[Lathum]

The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.

It's not just that - it's that the 2-party system is so big and ingrained into our society that calling out "one side" for what they are is automatically seen as being biased. Journalism is no longer about telling the truth no matter who it hurts - it's about clicks and maximum engagement. So the media is required to "both sides" everything and normalize Trump because Trump is going to be one of the two major parties' nominee. And you can't risk losing money for your investors by telling 49.9% (or 50.1%) of Americans that the politician they adore (or at best, will hold their nose and vote for because of the R behind his name) is a POS and a danger to the country.

But yes, the Sideshow Bob nature of Trump is also a pretty compelling reason to keep covering him because of the clicks he generates.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

The problem with trumps degeneracy is that it’s been normalized because there is constant barrage. There are literally hundreds of things he has said and done that would disqualify anyone else but we just shrug it off as Trump being Trump.

I'd actually like to see deep fakes of Biden saying things trump has said just to prove the point.

[Atocep]

Trump officially told the courts this morning that he can't raise the money to appeal his NY case. More than 30 companies have said no to the loan. He's begging an appeals court for a pause on the judgement.

[albionmoonlight]

It does seem weird that no one is willing to front the bond.

This guy has a ~50% shot at becoming President, and he's said that he'll hold the office like a vengeful dictator.

Seems like at least one company/Saudi Arabian sheik/Russian oligarch, etc. would be willing to take the bet of him winning and being on his good side.

[CrimsonFox]

So I have no idea what this whole bond thing is about?
What is it? How does it work?

And why were people so shocked that he paid the one for the other case?

[albionmoonlight]

In short:

Someone gets a money judgment against you. You can appeal, but while the appeal is pending, they can start collecting from you (and would pay you back if you win the appeal). But if you post a bond, then they cannot start collecting from you.

To get the bond, you put up, like, 10% of the judgment amount and/or some collateral and the company puts up a bond with the court for the full amount. Then, if you lose the appeal and your assets have suddenly vanished overseas, they can collect their money from the bond company (who can then sue you for it, but if it has gotten to that point, good luck).

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by albionmoonlight

It does seem weird that no one is willing to front the bond.

This guy has a ~50% shot at becoming President, and he's said that he'll hold the office like a vengeful dictator.

Seems like at least one company/Saudi Arabian sheik/Russian oligarch, etc. would be willing to take the bet of him winning and being on his good side.

It's still quite the risk if you don't think this number is getting reduced and have no confidence in Trump ever paying you back. No one wants to bet on the guy that has screwed every person over that he's come in contact with.