2024 NFL Offseason, Free Agency, and Draft Talk

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm starting to become more okay with the Penix pick, but I still can't get past the hubris of "we don't plan to be drafting in the top 20 anytime soon" -- okay, 2018 is the last time you haven't drafted in the top 20, and you've done it six years in a row since, so I'm not sure I understand the confidence here.

As a Lions fan who has a lot of confidence in our front office (it feels weird just writing that), I'm trying to gage how I would feel if Brad and Dan did this. I still don't think I could get behind it. I didn't love it when the Lions took Hendon Hooker IN THE 3RD to do just about what the Falcons are doing here. Draft an older prospect QB to groom for the possible future. I get that Cousins is way older than Goff so that the Falcon's horizon is a lot closer but I still cannot see this as a smart use of resources.

[weegeebored]

Even if you believe the ATL spin stories about why they drafted Penix, how do you draft a guy with four known serious injuries? Is he magically going to become less injury-prone as he gets older? One or two injuries you might attribute to bad luck -- might. But four...that we know of? If a team wanted to take a flier on him in the 3rd or 4th round, ok. But at 1.8?? Makes.Zero.Sense.

[Swaggs]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

I'm starting to become more okay with the Penix pick, but I still can't get past the hubris of "we don't plan to be drafting in the top 20 anytime soon" -- okay, 2018 is the last time you haven't drafted in the top 20, and you've done it six years in a row since, so I'm not sure I understand the confidence here.

Kind of funny, but I was looking up the history of #8 overall picks to see how they have fared over the years and the Falcons have actually had that pick for three straight years now (Penix, Bijan last year, and Drake London in 2022) and have had it 4 times in the past 10 years (Vic Beasley in 2015). Overall, they have picked pretty decently compared to some of the other #8s.

Statmuse List: https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/8th...icks-nfl-draft

[Swaggs]

Steelers are apparently close to acquiring a “big time playmaker” that is supposedly a WR. The hope is that it may be Aiyuk or Debo from the 49ers, who both supposedly want paid, but I feel like the more likely option will be Tyler Boyd as a FA or Courtland Sutton from Denver, who seems crazy overpaid for his production. Really hoping it isn’t Sutton.

[Swaggs]

Sorry, it was a “significant playmaker.”

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by Swaggs

Steelers are apparently close to acquiring a “big time playmaker” that is supposedly a WR. The hope is that it may be Aiyuk or Debo from the 49ers, who both supposedly want paid, but I feel like the more likely option will be Tyler Boyd as a FA or Courtland Sutton from Denver, who seems crazy overpaid for his production. Really hoping it isn’t Sutton.

Niners did draft a WR...

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by weegeebored

Even if you believe the ATL spin stories about why they drafted Penix, how do you draft a guy with four known serious injuries? Is he magically going to become less injury-prone as he gets older? One or two injuries you might attribute to bad luck -- might. But four...that we know of? If a team wanted to take a flier on him in the 3rd or 4th round, ok. But at 1.8?? Makes.Zero.Sense.

Can't get hurt in games you don't play.

Rumors are that the Falcons are looking to do even more to avoid injury to Penix by stuffing him in a protective box while he's on the sideline.

[Atocep]

The reason the Falcons picking Penix is completely indefensible is because of the value of the rookie contract, which I think QS mentioned earlier. If he sits for 2 years, as planned, you get 1 year to see him play before you have to make a decision on the 5th year option. At that point he's no longer cheap. That 5th year is discounted, but no longer the insane value that comes with having a rookie 1st round qb during those first 4 years.

Also, keep in mind that if they release Cousins after 2 years they're eating $35 million in dead cap space. That is lost value against the cap because of Penix. With that in mind, at no point during his contract is he going to be cheap and playing for you.

If he's anything less than a really good/great QB that you don't hesitate to sign to an extension then it's a disaster. Not a bad pick. A disaster.

[CrimsonFox]

dude will break like a pinata. But I'll be around to sweep up all the sweet sweet candy.

Seriously can't wait til he busts and Cousins sinks. I mean this WILL affect Cousins mentally. He needs to have his agent find him another team.

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Can't get hurt in games you don't play.

Yeah...that's what happens when you have the training staff give feedback in the draft room. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

dude will break like a pinata. But I'll be around to sweep up all the sweet sweet candy.

Seriously can't wait til he busts and Cousins sinks. I mean this WILL affect Cousins mentally. He needs to have his agent find him another team.

Why would you root for a great kid to bust?

[Bobble]

Originally Posted by Atocep

The reason the Falcons picking Penix is completely indefensible is because of the value of the rookie contract, which I think QS mentioned earlier. If he sits for 2 years, as planned, you get 1 year to see him play before you have to make a decision on the 5th year option. At that point he's no longer cheap. That 5th year is discounted, but no longer the insane value that comes with having a rookie 1st round qb during those first 4 years.

Also, keep in mind that if they release Cousins after 2 years they're eating $35 million in dead cap space. That is lost value against the cap because of Penix. With that in mind, at no point during his contract is he going to be cheap and playing for you.

If he's anything less than a really good/great QB that you don't hesitate to sign to an extension then it's a disaster. Not a bad pick. A disaster.

All true. The other part of the argument is that "we'll never pick this high again so we won't be able to get a QB of this caliber." Even assuming you're correct on Penix's caliber AND correct that you are a top 10 team that can't really trade up from the back of the first round to get one of the top few rookie QBs (which I'm not sure is true), you can't tell me that you have no avenue to acquire a good QB. You just did it to get Cousins and you're telling me that he makes you this top team right now. < confused shrug/WTF emoji >

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Why would you root for a great kid to bust?

To punish the Falcons for not picking a defensive player that they need?

[CrimsonFox]

I will not feel sorry for guys making millions to play a game

[CrimsonFox]

But yeah it's more about making fun of the falcons than anything.

they deserve all the hate they are getting.

Penix, meh...I don't think he can survive the NFL with all those major injuries that happened just at the college level. But he'll make some money and then be a backup somewhere.

So like why aren't they getting rid of astroturf yet since the wave of coddling the players from injuries seems to be all the rage.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

But yeah it's more about making fun of the falcons than anything.

they deserve all the hate they are getting.

Penix, meh...I don't think he can survive the NFL with all those major injuries that happened just at the college level. But he'll make some money and then be a backup somewhere.

So like why aren't they getting rid of astroturf yet since the wave of coddling the players from injuries seems to be all the rage.

It’s easy to write off Penix as being injury prone but let’s see how you hold up playing in the big 10 with Indiana’s line protecting you and Indiana’s skill position players trying to make plays for you.

[thesloppy]

Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

[weegeebored]

Originally Posted by dubb93

It’s easy to write off Penix as being injury prone but let’s see how you hold up playing in the big 10 with Indiana’s line protecting you and Indiana’s skill position players trying to make plays for you.

What's the injury history for other Indiana QBs playing behind similar lines with similar skill players? And extend that stat out to QBs on other teams with similar lines and skill players? Do all of them have four season-ending injuries? The majority? Some? None??? Personally I don't care about ATL one way or the other, but making that move is stupid on so many levels. The only way the stink from this draft pick is removed is if Penix turns into a stud. Then I would just wonder why the Falcons paid Cousins. And why they waited 2(?) years to make Penix a starter.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

Tell your old man to drag Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes!

Pppppppppppppppppppppppp I did a spittake at that. WELL DONE

[CrimsonFox]

The Bengals have named their new Offensive Line "Cincinnati Skyline".
They got 3 6'8" 340+ guys now

A new WR and 2 new TEs plus some defense.

However, Something bothers me about Mims in my head. Like why he only started 8 games. Does he have an attitude issue? Like only will play on thursdays or something?


Will he last a whole season?

[GrantDawg]

He was playing behind upper classmen that are also now in the NFL, and then he had a severe ankle sprain that required surgery once he got the starting job. Can he hold up? That's a question. He is so big and so athletic that it's got to be tough on his legs.

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[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

The Bengals have named their new Offensive Line "Cincinnati Skyline".

I want some chili now.

[albionmoonlight]

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

He was playing behind upper classmen that are also now in the NFL, and then he had a severe ankle sprain that required surgery once he got the starting job. Can he hold up? That's a question. He is so big and so athletic that it's got to be tough on his legs.

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I wonder if Terron Armstead is a good comp. His size and athleticism make him an all-pro level LT when he is healthy. But the human body isn't really designed to be that big and athletic, and he's always fighting one injury or another.

[QuikSand]

After a lengthy back-and-forth with friends offline about the ATL Penix pick, I think I have come around to a new place on it.

The central question is really just about the QB position in the modern NFL. It's obviously important, pretty clearly the most important single position anywhere in major professional sports, and arguably dictates team success in an overwhelming fashion overall. Buying into this logic further and further toward the extreme side can send you into directions that start to seem irrational. (We've seen this debate in miniature in the last decade or two as merely good-enough starters sometimes get market-setting contracts, and more recently as we rethink what the QB market properly looks like as a % of the overall team salary cap...and maybe that needle hasn't even come to rest quite yet, looking at you Mr. Mahomes)

So, IFF you buy that "QB = nearly everything" then much of the logic that would sensibly apply to any another position just might go out the window. Continue to heckle the Raiders for targeting the standout TE after just acquiring a top TE last year, as an imperfect but current example - that's fine, TE isn't what determines the whole story. But, if QB is indeed basically what drives NFL success, then you basically take you shot any time you believe there's a solid chance of landing a top QB, period. Meaning that yes, even if you have made a financial commitment to a current veteran starter for the 2-3 years ahead, you still go ahead and draft a new guy if your scouting convinces you he may well be the real deal. If he is the real deal, even if it takes 2-3 years to see that and you will have missed out on getting value from him as a young/cheap starter, you could either walk into a high level still-young starter late in his rookie contract (a la Jordan Love) or you could perhaps parlay that promising young guy into a Browns-for-Watson overpayment from a QB-starved franchise elsewhere and reap back more draft capital than you expended initially.

I don't think I buy this overall, but... I think it's at least a coherent way to get yourself to "Falcons drafting Penix there was okay, or even smart." It's because QB is just so off-the-charts different that the normal logic and rules just can't apply to the process of acquiring a possible star there.

[dubb93]

Originally Posted by weegeebored

What's the injury history for other Indiana QBs playing behind similar lines with similar skill players? And extend that stat out to QBs on other teams with similar lines and skill players? Do all of them have four season-ending injuries? The majority? Some? None??? Personally I don't care about ATL one way or the other, but making that move is stupid on so many levels. The only way the stink from this draft pick is removed is if Penix turns into a stud. Then I would just wonder why the Falcons paid Cousins. And why they waited 2(?) years to make Penix a starter.

Penix last season there was 2021. In 2022 Dexter Williams blew his knee out and missed 2023. In 2023 IU rotated QBs but Brenden Sorsby did get a shoulder injury against Penn State.

[Kodos]

Our line hasn’t been great. One of Penix’s injuries came as he ran untouched out of bounds. Just a fluky injury.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

After a lengthy back-and-forth with friends offline about the ATL Penix pick, I think I have come around to a new place on it.

The central question is really just about the QB position in the modern NFL. It's obviously important, pretty clearly the most important single position anywhere in major professional sports, and arguably dictates team success in an overwhelming fashion overall. Buying into this logic further and further toward the extreme side can send you into directions that start to seem irrational. (We've seen this debate in miniature in the last decade or two as merely good-enough starters sometimes get market-setting contracts, and more recently as we rethink what the QB market properly looks like as a % of the overall team salary cap...and maybe that needle hasn't even come to rest quite yet, looking at you Mr. Mahomes)

So, IFF you buy that "QB = nearly everything" then much of the logic that would sensibly apply to any another position just might go out the window. Continue to heckle the Raiders for targeting the standout TE after just acquiring a top TE last year, as an imperfect but current example - that's fine, TE isn't what determines the whole story. But, if QB is indeed basically what drives NFL success, then you basically take you shot any time you believe there's a solid chance of landing a top QB, period. Meaning that yes, even if you have made a financial commitment to a current veteran starter for the 2-3 years ahead, you still go ahead and draft a new guy if your scouting convinces you he may well be the real deal. If he is the real deal, even if it takes 2-3 years to see that and you will have missed out on getting value from him as a young/cheap starter, you could either walk into a high level still-young starter late in his rookie contract (a la Jordan Love) or you could perhaps parlay that promising young guy into a Browns-for-Watson overpayment from a QB-starved franchise elsewhere and reap back more draft capital than you expended initially.

I don't think I buy this overall, but... I think it's at least a coherent way to get yourself to "Falcons drafting Penix there was okay, or even smart." It's because QB is just so off-the-charts different that the normal logic and rules just can't apply to the process of acquiring a possible star there.

This has major "person who had their face eaten by leopard after voting for the face eating leopard party tries to justify said vote" level of leaps of logic in it IMO. I think it's far more likely the Falcons are just genuinely rudderless or have convinced themselves they are smarter than they really are.

If you are getting an elite QB prospect in the top 3, I can see the logic (even though good luck holding that QB room together for 2 years). Or if it's a late first round pick where the chances of getting a very good starter at another position are somewhere less than 50/50, that also probably makes a bit of sense (the Jordan Love scenario). The 8th overall pick on a guy who really had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him for various reasons and will also be in his mid 20's before he sees the field and you actually see if he can play NFL football, yeah I'm just not seeing it. If they'd done it with Drake Maye at the #3 overall, I still would think it was stupid but I think you'd have more chance of convincing myself there was something in that logic.

[JPhillips]

What are the odds that the 4th QB taken is going to be a star?

Will Levis
Matt Corral
Justin Fields
Jordan Love
Drew Locke
Josh Rosen
DeShone Kizer
Christian Hackenberg
Sean Mannion
Derek Carr
Matt Barkley
Brandon Weeden
Christian Ponder
Colt McCoy

Not a strong list since 2010.

[QuikSand]

The more I think about it, the ATL pick boils down to:

1. How you view Penix

2. How solid does a team’s QB situation have to be for them *not* to draft a guy?

If you think Cousins is shaky enough to justify a shot despite his $…you gotta believe NYG should’ve gone QB, right?

— Mina Kimes (@minakimes) May 1, 2024

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

Continue to heckle the Raiders for targeting the standout TE after just acquiring a top TE last year, as an imperfect but current example - that's fine, TE isn't what determines the whole story.

Oh that's a good one! Let's make fun of the Raiders now!

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

The more I think about it, the ATL pick boils down to:

1. How you view Penix

2. How solid does a team’s QB situation have to be for them *not* to draft a guy?

If you think Cousins is shaky enough to justify a shot despite his $…you gotta believe NYG should’ve gone QB, right?

— Mina Kimes (@minakimes) May 1, 2024

I thought that said Mila Kunis at first....and I STILL say HOT!

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

What are the odds that the 4th QB taken is going to be a star?

Will Levis
Matt Corral
Justin Fields
Jordan Love
Drew Locke
Josh Rosen
DeShone Kizer
Christian Hackenberg
Sean Mannion
Derek Carr
Matt Barkley
Brandon Weeden
Christian Ponder
Colt McCoy

Not a strong list since 2010.

During the draft they were talking about pick 99 being a hot commodity because of the previous 99s.

[Thomkal]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

What are the odds that the 4th QB taken is going to be a star?

Will Levis
Matt Corral
Justin Fields
Jordan Love
Drew Locke
Josh Rosen
DeShone Kizer
Christian Hackenberg
Sean Mannion
Derek Carr
Matt Barkley
Brandon Weeden
Christian Ponder
Colt McCoy

Not a strong list since 2010.

OOF! That's a whole lot of mostly suck.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

After a lengthy back-and-forth with friends offline about the ATL Penix pick, I think I have come around to a new place on it.

The central question is really just about the QB position in the modern NFL. It's obviously important, pretty clearly the most important single position anywhere in major professional sports, and arguably dictates team success in an overwhelming fashion overall. Buying into this logic further and further toward the extreme side can send you into directions that start to seem irrational. (We've seen this debate in miniature in the last decade or two as merely good-enough starters sometimes get market-setting contracts, and more recently as we rethink what the QB market properly looks like as a % of the overall team salary cap...and maybe that needle hasn't even come to rest quite yet, looking at you Mr. Mahomes)

So, IFF you buy that "QB = nearly everything" then much of the logic that would sensibly apply to any another position just might go out the window. Continue to heckle the Raiders for targeting the standout TE after just acquiring a top TE last year, as an imperfect but current example - that's fine, TE isn't what determines the whole story. But, if QB is indeed basically what drives NFL success, then you basically take you shot any time you believe there's a solid chance of landing a top QB, period. Meaning that yes, even if you have made a financial commitment to a current veteran starter for the 2-3 years ahead, you still go ahead and draft a new guy if your scouting convinces you he may well be the real deal. If he is the real deal, even if it takes 2-3 years to see that and you will have missed out on getting value from him as a young/cheap starter, you could either walk into a high level still-young starter late in his rookie contract (a la Jordan Love) or you could perhaps parlay that promising young guy into a Browns-for-Watson overpayment from a QB-starved franchise elsewhere and reap back more draft capital than you expended initially.

I don't think I buy this overall, but... I think it's at least a coherent way to get yourself to "Falcons drafting Penix there was okay, or even smart." It's because QB is just so off-the-charts different that the normal logic and rules just can't apply to the process of acquiring a possible star there.

I'm not going to be surprised if at some point the NFL and the player's union equate QB as a special position that is almost separate from other players in regards to the cap. It is the most crucial position for success. The average to good quarterbacks keep you competitive; the best can get you a championship.

Truth is the draft is a crapshoot, all players are variables. Some may be better but there are so many extra factors to success and just because your draft is a success (what is that 2 starters maybe, 1 superstar, or several role players).

I think when critics are evaluating a draft on whether it is successful it's looking at output which is impossible until seasons later; rather they are evaluting on whether the draft strategy made sense.

The Eagles had a weak secondary; they drafted two highly regarded CBs. They also grabbed 7 other players and nabbed 3 draft picks for next year. The strategy makes sense therefore they are graded high. But they graded high last year and Jalen Carter wore down and Nolan Smith barely saw the field. So for output, not a great 2023 draft but the strategy made sense.

To me, the critics are confusing output (perceived or otherwise) grading rather than did the drafting strategy make sense (the Raiders drafting Bowers when they have a good TE; could've traded down and gotten more picks or the Falcons drafting Penix when they got Cousins).

This QB critque was prevalent when the Eagles drafted Hurts when they had Wentz. There was much criticism in Philly but present day, no complaints.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

I think it's far more likely the Falcons are just genuinely rudderless or have convinced themselves they are smarter than they really are.

They definitely think they are outsmarting everyone else. That trade up to the top of the second to get a player rated for the third round tells you that. We just got rid of a coach that had that "smarter than everyone else" attitude just to have a new regime that seem to have that attitude. I can't tell you how thrilled I am. This off-season went from hopefully optimistic to completely cringey really fast.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Qwikshot

This QB critque was prevalent when the Eagles drafted Hurts when they had Wentz. There was much criticism in Philly but present day, no complaints.

Drafting a QB with the 53rd overall pick as a potential replacement for somebody coming to the end of their rookie deal who already had a ton of question marks around his play and ability to stay healthy is really nothing like drafting a QB with the 8th overall pick as a potential replacement for a guy you gave $100m guaranteed a couple of months previously.

And that’s not even starting to consider the question marks over the player they took.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Drafting a QB with the 53rd overall pick as a potential replacement for somebody coming to the end of their rookie deal who already had a ton of question marks around his play and ability to stay healthy is really nothing like drafting a QB with the 8th overall pick as a potential replacement for a guy you gave $100m guaranteed a couple of months previously.

And that’s not even starting to consider the question marks over the player they took.

Well, it kinda is...

[bhlloy]

It’s not because I’m talking about Wentz in the first but you’ve highlighted. If the Falcons feel the same in 2024 about Kirk Cousins that the Eagles felt about Carson Wentz in 2019, they probably should have not given him $100m guaranteed?

[Passacaglia]

Ah, I see what you're saying.

[Qwikshot]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

It’s not because I’m talking about Wentz in the first but you’ve highlighted. If the Falcons feel the same in 2024 about Kirk Cousins that the Eagles felt about Carson Wentz in 2019, they probably should have not given him $100m guaranteed?

Sorry, I wasn't saying it was apples to apples. It was more like that was the last time I think there was surprise at a QB drafted.

I think Wentz got an extension in 2019. (4 years 128 million). Hurts was drafted 2020.

[CrimsonFox]

The NFL is suing the University of Houston for using new powder blue jerseys.

[CrimsonFox]

NFL Draft 2024: After Michael Penix Jr. pick, Falcons tried trading back into top 10 with Jets for this player - CBSSports.com

[CrimsonFox]

Speaking of busting predictions...

Major Outlet Picks Amarius Mims as One of Most Likely 2024 AFC Draft Picks to Bust

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by QuikSand

After a lengthy back-and-forth with friends offline about the ATL Penix pick, I think I have come around to a new place on it.

I came here tonight to post something similar after marinating on the question for a few days.

But first of all, there are definitely some things about this situation that the Falcons mishandled. Mina Kimes' point on draft night about the value of rookie contracts remains a good one especially if they plan to have him sit as long as they said they might (which I don't actually believe, see below).

Secondly, the way they handled it with Cousins was not great, arguably even worse than what the Packers did with both Favre and Rodgers. The whole "we're fine letting him sit for 3-4 years" definitely smacks of trying to walk something back after realizing they had pissed off Cousins.

If Cousins sucks or gets injured (something they clearly anticipated given that all the guaranteed money is in the first two years of his deal) then they have a Plan B that, in theory at least, can step in and not have them scraping the bottom of the barrel again (questioning whether they can adequately judge QB talent is a whole separate discussion). If Cousins declines after two years, same as above but they're still getting value from the contract. And if Cousins is good for four years, well then maybe they can flip Penix for some picks or at least he didn't cost them that much money or honestly no one will care by that point (the last point is very, very important to the GM's job security).

Now, where they failed was in not finding a better way to message it with Cousins. I don't know Cousins, so I don't know how he'd take being told that Penix is Cousins insurance. But there has to be a better way to message the choice than the way that they did it. Keeping your QB happy is literally part of their job.

Originally Posted by bhlloy

If you are getting an elite QB prospect in the top 3, I can see the logic (even though good luck holding that QB room together for 2 years). Or if it's a late first round pick where the chances of getting a very good starter at another position are somewhere less than 50/50, that also probably makes a bit of sense (the Jordan Love scenario). The 8th overall pick on a guy who really had a 2nd/3rd round grade on him for various reasons and will also be in his mid 20's before he sees the field and you actually see if he can play NFL football, yeah I'm just not seeing it. If they'd done it with Drake Maye at the #3 overall, I still would think it was stupid but I think you'd have more chance of convincing myself there was something in that logic.

To echo some of the stuff that QS wrote, the fact of the matter is that, as we have discussed upthread and in previous threads, it is a) very difficult to obtain a good-to-elite QB and b) having a good-to-elite QB has become pretty much a requirement to getting to the postseason and potentially doing well in the postseason.

The number of QBs who can lift an average team or below-average offensive unit (with a competent defensive unit) into the playoffs is probably in the single digits. The number of QBs who can do the same when paired with a stellar OC or HC operating as an OC (e.g. McVay or McDaniel) is also in the single digits.

When I did my tiering exercise, you basically get through, generously, 16 QBs before you get to the "fuck it, start tanking" tier.

So I think that if you're a team that's drafting and has a need for a QB either now or potentially in the next few years (see the Favre & Rodgers situations), and you come across a candidate that you think has the chance to be competent-to-good (with caveats of course around teams' ability to judge talent) you should just take him, regardless of draft position. The position is simply that important.

Anyway, I'm probably super wrong, but I've spent far too much time thinking about this on my commute and so you all get to be the beneficiaries of that lol.

[CrimsonFox]

Was just reading about the Rasheed Rice suspension. Was he drinking or high? Cause that's the only reason I can see why he will be suspended.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by CrimsonFox

Was just reading about the Rasheed Rice suspension. Was he drinking or high? Cause that's the only reason I can see why he will be suspended.

He does have a lot of charges from the crash. Looks like 8 in total and some are serious. Appears he was going close to 120 and caused a big wreck that hurt a lot of people. Then he fled the scene.

Maybe after the Ruggs incident, the NFL is tired of it and wants to send a message.

[CrimsonFox]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

He does have a lot of charges from the crash. Looks like 8 in total and some are serious. Appears he was going close to 120 and caused a big wreck that hurt a lot of people. Then he fled the scene.

Maybe after the Ruggs incident, the NFL is tired of it and wants to send a message.

okay F him then.

I DID see that it was a pile up partially caused by him and that a lot of people were hurt but I didn't see the other details.

And oh wow that Ruggs case is sad
Ex-Raiders WR Henry Ruggs III sentenced 3 to 10 years for fatal DUI - ESPN

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Appears he was going close to 120 and caused a big wreck that hurt a lot of people. Then he fled the scene.

Check, check, check - someone who does all three, here, needs to be doing some serious time, even without a discussion of being on substances.

[molson]

It's always been annoying to me that leaving the scene of an accident is a lesser crime than DUI, so it makes complete logical sense to flee the scene if you're drunk or high, even if you know you're probably going to be caught eventually.

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by molson

It's always been annoying to me that leaving the scene of an accident is a lesser crime than DUI, so it makes complete logical sense to flee the scene if you're drunk or high, even if you know you're probably going to be caught eventually.

This. "Leaving a scene of an accident with injuries" should carry the same consequences as a third DUI.