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Old 03-24-2010, 09:59 PM   #851
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:00 PM   #852
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I wonder if Dubb's unvote and revote instigated the eclipse?
Hmm. Have we had any votes and revotes like that before this game?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:00 PM   #853
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I wonder if Dubb's unvote and revote instigated the eclipse?

Isn't that a 2 minute minor?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:00 PM   #854
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I wonder if Dubb's unvote and revote instigated the eclipse?

An interesting theory. Are you saying that the first unvote and revote of the same player started the eclipse?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:02 PM   #855
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PB, Jackal and RA look good upon a brief glance at these votes. Those possibly trying to save DV could include NTN, Lathum, BK, Thomkal. I guess I have to say Dubb as well though I'm not sure why he would unvote henry if that's the case. Then again we all thought we had a bunch more time.

I think those with the ability need to look into the possibility of NTN being converted. But otherwise it doesn't make any sense to vote him at this point. I will vote tomorrow between Lathum, BK and Thomkal therefore.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:03 PM   #856
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An interesting theory. Are you saying that the first unvote and revote of the same player started the eclipse?
It seems like we must have had someone unvote and revote the same person already.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:03 PM   #857
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PB, Jackal and RA look good upon a brief glance at these votes. Those possibly trying to save DV could include NTN, Lathum, BK, Thomkal. I guess I have to say Dubb as well though I'm not sure why he would unvote henry if that's the case. Then again we all thought we had a bunch more time.

I think those with the ability need to look into the possibility of NTN being converted. But otherwise it doesn't make any sense to vote him at this point. I will vote tomorrow between Lathum, BK and Thomkal therefore.
Please explain to me how I tried to save DV?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:03 PM   #858
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An interesting theory. Are you saying that the first unvote and revote of the same player started the eclipse?

I don't know, it's a possibility. Not that it necessarily matters, but it stands out about your vote.

Dubb, do you think the dark charm could have played into the event?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:04 PM   #859
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Please explain to me how I tried to save DV?

You voted for someone else after DV was a lead candidate, that's all. I listed everyone who voted for other candidates after DV took a strong lead.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:05 PM   #860
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It seems like we must have had someone unvote and revote the same person already.

Could be. Just a random factoid. Could have had nothing to do with Dubb's vote at all, could have something to do with Henry (what item did he have?), could have to do with the dark charm or someone else's item. I don't have vote histories to check about revotes.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:05 PM   #861
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:16 PM   #862
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All right, this isn't all the votes but starting from as far back as I could scroll in my limited time (i need to be working). Someone else can fill in the first couple votes

Autumn votes henry 1
someone votes darth 1-1
DV votes CF 1-1-1
dubb votes henry 2-1-1
PB votes darth 2-2-1
jackal votes darth 3-2-1
henry votes CF 3-2-2
ntn votes henry 3-3-2
RA votes darth 4-3-2
lathum votes cf 4-3-3
bk votes cf 4-4-3
dubb unvotes henry 4-4-2
thomkal votes henry 4-4-3
dubb votes henry 4-4-4

In my own defense, if I'm a Servant, especially if I knew nothing about this event like I suspect they didn't, why am I voting for Henry, when Darth, probably the most powerul of the Servants is tied with Crimson for the lead? It was 4-4-2 when I voted for Henry. If I'm a Servant, I'm voting to save Darth, not to bring Henry up to one vote out of the tie.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:18 PM   #863
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Dubb, do you think the dark charm could have played into the event?

I know nothing about the dark charm. I don't know how to use it, what it does, or anything. So I guess it could have had something. Dark=Night, I really don't know.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:25 PM   #864
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Got a quick check-in post-dinner and looks like we've made a legitimate dent here! Will be back tomorrow but on my phone all day as I'm goin out of town for a job fair and hockey game so don't expect me to be super active
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:36 PM   #865
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CrimsonFox is also destroyed. His Colt Peacemaker, Charm of Protection against Detection and Sherrif Badge are confiscated for evidence.

The Charm of Protection against Detection is what I started with btw. I didn't want to list its name because I didn't want the wolves to know it was out there to be had, since it would obviously benefit them and not the village.

I can say which person I gave it to night 1 if the village wants me to verify one of the roles in the game, but don't want to give the wolves any more info than necessary really.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:41 PM   #866
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I wouldn't tell, J23, if I were you. But it's good to know.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:42 PM   #867
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In my own defense, if I'm a Servant, especially if I knew nothing about this event like I suspect they didn't, why am I voting for Henry, when Darth, probably the most powerul of the Servants is tied with Crimson for the lead? It was 4-4-2 when I voted for Henry. If I'm a Servant, I'm voting to save Darth, not to bring Henry up to one vote out of the tie.

Good point Thomkal. To play devil's advocate, assuming the bad guys didn't know that the eclipse was about to happen you might have expected to have more time to make some moves.

In fact who was Poli coming in to vote for? Henry, right?
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:49 PM   #868
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Good point Thomkal. To play devil's advocate, assuming the bad guys didn't know that the eclipse was about to happen you might have expected to have more time to make some moves.

In fact who was Poli coming in to vote for? Henry, right?

The same can be said about me as can be said about Thom. If I am bad I'm voting CF to save DV, especially after I say I suspect him, rather than voting for Henry and forcing a three way tie. This goes double if I know about the early nightfall.
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Old 03-24-2010, 10:52 PM   #869
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Good point Thomkal. To play devil's advocate, assuming the bad guys didn't know that the eclipse was about to happen you might have expected to have more time to make some moves.

In fact who was Poli coming in to vote for? Henry, right?

I can't dispute that Autumn, but why would the Servants try to bring a third candidate into the lynch? Dubb changed back to Henry after me, so are you saying he, Poli, and I are all Servants?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:06 AM   #870
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In my own defense, if I'm a Servant, especially if I knew nothing about this event like I suspect they didn't, why am I voting for Henry, when Darth, probably the most powerul of the Servants is tied with Crimson for the lead? It was 4-4-2 when I voted for Henry. If I'm a Servant, I'm voting to save Darth, not to bring Henry up to one vote out of the tie.

I agree with this and I put others as more suspicious of the Henry voters.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:11 AM   #871
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I can't dispute that Autumn, but why would the Servants try to bring a third candidate into the lynch? Dubb changed back to Henry after me, so are you saying he, Poli, and I are all Servants?

I'm saying with a few hours to go the pressure isn't necessarily on to tie it up. Adding a third candidate makes it more likely that poeple will vote elsewhere than DV. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's certainly a possibility.

That said, of the group of voters who did not vote for DV after he took the lead, BK's vote is the most suspect, for the reasons you point out. He indeed did vote for the next leading candidate. Whether that was for nefarious reasons or not, who knows, but he's my most likely suspect out of that group.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:14 AM   #872
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Post diving, most/all of these are either votes or comments on votes:


612 - Danny opens day voting for Darth. No reason for villager to do this unless they think he has been somehow compromised.

620 - Autumn votes for Henry, follow the voting history

627 - Lathum intrigued by Danny vote for Darth

651 - DV votes CrimsonFox

687 - Dubb votes Henry

705 - PB votes Darth. Ties vote with villager Henry. Good spot for PB.

707 - Jackal puts DV ahead in votes. Another villager looking vote.

714 - NTN votes Henry

720 - RA votes Darth. Again, vote for bad guy in tight spot.

721 - Lathum votes CF, would like to keep close between 3 people.

722 - Dubb "asking myself why I'm voting Henry right now rather than DV"

723 - BK votes Crimson

725 - Dubb unvotes Henry

726 - Thomkal votes Henry, "follow the Scientist"

728 - Dubb agrees with Thomkal, "follow the Scientist" and re-votes Henry. This creates 4-4-4 tie.

729 - DAY ENDED

731 - Poli comes in voting Henry, not knowing day was over?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:16 AM   #873
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Note - any slack given for the "vote for lead vamp" could be mitigated by the wolves not all knowing each other. Personally, I don't put too much stock in this ... for now, I'm assuming that some wolves knew each other. And that the most likely wolf to be known is the head wolf.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:17 AM   #874
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If someone has time tomorrow, I think it would be worth putting together the vote/unvote charts from the first couple of days to see where our now-dead folks sat in the vote count.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:18 AM   #875
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Post diving, most/all of these are either votes or comments on votes:
612 - Danny opens day voting for Darth. No reason for villager to do this unless they think he has been somehow compromised.

You mean no reason for wolf to do this?
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:22 AM   #876
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Er, yes - that is what I meant in that spot.
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:53 AM   #877
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Screw my team man! i was the leader, I handpicked them with conversions, I specifically tell them not to do what they did and what do they do? They Kill ME!!!

F**king bogus
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Old 03-25-2010, 12:55 AM   #878
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DV, just be careful not to say anymore because you're dead now.
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:01 AM   #879
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:05 AM   #880
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Of course not, but sometimes people say things out of frustration.
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:13 AM   #881
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The sun brings to a close Night Three. It was a much redder night than normal. A much longer night too.


The close of the night finds your number once again gathering in the early dawn hours in Cape Girardeau and today, once of your number is missing. You quest for him, but find his corpse down by the docks. You see evidence of very foul play upon his body. Some of you turn away from the disgusting scene.



Danny has been killed!


Night Three, such as it was, is over. Day Four begins and ends at 10 pm EST>
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:15 AM   #882
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Fine! I apologize to everyone I offended. As punishment i'll suspend myself for 3 games and take myself off the Host list
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:17 AM   #883
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oh well, good luck village
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:41 AM   #884
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:51 AM   #885
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:56 AM   #886
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Order of Vladd, Third Rank – You are a vampire and the leader of this group of Servants of the Red Death. At night, you can be sent to either try to corrupt or to kill. During the day, just once during the game, you can Enthrall someone. That person will be forced to change their vote and will be unable to change it back. You must do this at least one hour before the deadline. You cannot be identified by the Adept.

This is interesting.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:06 AM   #887
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BK and Lathum, if you've got something to share with us about now would be the time because your votes yesterday don't look good at all and are likely going to thrust you to the forefront of the voting today.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:17 AM   #888
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It's interesting that it doesn't say any kind of role for Danny. I suppose we should assume he was a vanilla villager?
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:35 AM   #889
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BK and Lathum, if you've got something to share with us about now would be the time because your votes yesterday don't look good at all and are likely going to thrust you to the forefront of the voting today.
I stand by my reasoning at the time: CF had posted a lot, but little of substance that I could find. I can't help how it looks now.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:35 AM   #890
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It's interesting that it doesn't say any kind of role for Danny. I suppose we should assume he was a vanilla villager?
That's what the first page seems to indicate.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:38 AM   #891
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Barkeep definitely has the most suspect vote yesterday. But looking through Hoops' notes the thing that strikes me is Dubb, also. He votes Henry early in the day to make it 2-1-1 I believe, putting Henry in front of DV. He comments later that should he be voting DV instead of Henry? He then unvotes Henry, then votes Henry again when given an excuse/reason by Thomkal. This kind of smacks of a wolf not wanting to vote DV but wanting to make it look in the record like he was considering it. As he pointed out last night he could have voted CF there at the end. But I kind of wonder whether hte wolves knew CF was the sheriff and wary of a reveal didn't want to be on him. Consider Dubb and Barkeep my top suspects today.
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:42 AM   #892
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After some pm conversations, I have decided to clarify a previous statement in the thread. Listen very carefully.

After Night Four, there is no night action that can result in a conversion.

That is all I can say about that. Interpret it however you will.

With the head vamp being dead, I'm not sure what relevance this really has any more, but figured I would remind everyone that tonight is the last chance for a night conversion. (As hoops pointed out before, this does specify night and who knows if there are any day actions that would cause conversions)
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Old 03-25-2010, 09:53 AM   #893
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:06 AM   #894
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Thanks for letting us know, Poli. I think it would have been better to hold on that type of thing, but at least now we know what the other one does.
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:37 AM   #895
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vote jackal

No reason other than a bad vibe and it's very likely to be changed, but I refuse to be bull moose specialed again.

Bad vibe? I have a crucial vote on the lead bad guy when I in no way had to vote for him, what else do I have to do?
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Old 03-25-2010, 10:59 AM   #896
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BK and Lathum, if you've got something to share with us about now would be the time because your votes yesterday don't look good at all and are likely going to thrust you to the forefront of the voting today.

I'm still in the game out of respect for Abe and the effort he has put in, but not sure how polarized I will be.

To answer your question, it is hard to defend a D2 vote that was cast with almost half the remaining players still to vote but, like I said I wanted to keep it close to see where the votes went. If you think about it, had everyone voted and we had a normal day that would have worked quiet well since there was a wolf on the line there would have been some decisions made by the other wolves.

When I voted CF it was 4 Henry, 4 DV and 2 CF. If I am a wolf why vote CF? If I am saving DV I am voting henry to put him in the lead, not CF, who would still need 2 more votes to leapfrog DV, it makes no sense. If I am going to put myself out there as a wolf I am going to go all the way.
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:07 AM   #897
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heh, nice try Poli.

Well, as I've been saying since last night I think the best evidence we have to go on is the votes yesterday and I think Barkeep's looks most suspicious out of those. I'll go ahead and put my vote out there.

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Old 03-25-2010, 11:12 AM   #898
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heh, nice try Poli.

Well, as I've been saying since last night I think the best evidence we have to go on is the votes yesterday and I think Barkeep's looks most suspicious out of those. I'll go ahead and put my vote out there.

vote barkeep
Why is mine the most suspicious?
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:14 AM   #899
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I am leery about voting someone based of purely yesterdays history considering it wasn't a complete history.
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:16 AM   #900
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Well, lathums answer resonated with me but "keeping things close" is an easy wolf cover as much as it is a villager play. I'm in agreement that BK's vote seems worse but I don't think a runaway benefits us. I think one of BK and lathum might be wolves so I'm going to follow lathums lead and at least keep things close in the early going here, knowing I may end up elsewhere.

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