2012 NFL Offseason thread

[Rizon]

Kaepernick has one more career pass completion than he does kneel downs.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

I'm sorry. I'll defer to you on questions about really knowing Peyton, Cooper.

If you'd ever been hugged by Peyton, you would never have said those things about him.

[Autumn]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Kaepernick has one more career pass completion than he does kneel downs.

Does this mean you hold gay quarterbacks to a higher standard? Unfair.

[Logan]

Jets signed Laron Landry.

I heard Schefter talking about him this morning. Didn't realize he was a FA, but once I did, I said to myself that he is exactly the type of guy the Jets would sign. I know Brandon Jacobs was initially interested in joining the Jets, but I assume this move eliminates that...since Landry is the only player he can bulldoze anymore.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Autumn

Does this mean you hold gay quarterbacks to a higher standard? Unfair.

Only in bathroom stalls.

[Grover]

Pats have apparently signed OG Robert Gallery.

[Grover]

Originally Posted by Logan

Jets signed Laron Landry.

I heard Schefter talking about him this morning. Didn't realize he was a FA, but once I did, I said to myself that he is exactly the type of guy the Jets would sign. I know Brandon Jacobs was initially interested in joining the Jets, but I assume this move eliminates that...since Landry is the only player he can bulldoze anymore.

Ha! After losing out on Nelson. 1 year deal for $4m is what Lombardi said on NFL Network. They must think he's healthy enough.

[Ksyrup]

Originally Posted by Logan

Actually he said "maybe it was a condition..."

Exactly. I don't pretend to be in Peyton's head like other posters.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Grover

Pats have apparently signed OG Robert Gallery.

What a classic Pats signing. Very solid player who had way too high expectations on him and will probably play at a pro bowl level under Belichek

[JediKooter]

Originally Posted by Grover

Pats have apparently signed OG Robert Gallery.

His nickname of "Swinging Saloon Door" should worry Brady.

[stevew]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

What a classic Pats signing. Very solid player who had way too high expectations on him and will probably play at a pro bowl level under Belichek

Just like Ocho and Haynesworth?

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by Ksyrup

Exactly. I don't pretend to be in Peyton's head like other posters.

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[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Rizon

Kaepernick has one more career pass completion than he does kneel downs.

Considering it took Smith 7 seasons to throw 17 TDs 5 INTs, I think it won't take long to recover the lose of Smith.

[Ksyrup]

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[stevew]

The Bills should chip in a 4th rounder for Tebow. It's not like Kirkpatrick has earned the right to proceed without challenge. Plus Spiller, Tebow and Fred Jackson would make a nice running combo.

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by stevew

Just like Ocho and Haynesworth?

Completely the opposite I would say. I thought Gallery had been pretty good at guard since he moved, he just never should have been drafted high as a LT. But I may be wrong on that count.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by stevew

The Bills should chip in a 4th rounder for Tebow. It's not like Kirkpatrick has earned the right to proceed without challenge. Plus Spiller, Tebow and Fred Jackson would make a nice running combo.

I could see that from one perspective, but I think if you bring in Tebow, you're also bringing in the Tebow circus. If you do that to a guy like Fitzpatrick then you probably want to replace him as the starter and I don't think that's the case in Buffalo. Otherwise, you're just creating an ongoing controversy in your organization. In Buffalo's particular circumstances, after signing Stevie Johnson and Mario Williams, I think bringing in Tebow would be a monumentally bad idea for the atmosphere.

That's why I think wherever he goes, it'll be as a strong challenger for the starting role (ex: Cleveland), a change-of-pace guy (ex: NE) or as the backup to a very entrenched starter (ex: Pittsburgh).

[MacroGuru]

Originally Posted by stevew

The Bills should chip in a 4th rounder for Tebow. It's not like Kirkpatrick has earned the right to proceed without challenge. Plus Spiller, Tebow and Fred Jackson would make a nice running combo.

Oh dear god please no...

[bhlloy]

And the Bills just gave Dorkpatrick a TON of money. That would seem to be a nonstarter

[spleen1015]

I don't believe there's too many teams that think it is a good idea to bring him in. Jacksonville or Miami because they want to sell tickets. I don't think he's useful long term.

[Ksyrup]

When nobody offers anything of worth for him, the Pats will swoop in and get him for a 6th round pick or something, and he'll end up making them look like geniuses. I'm already looking at a couple of things they've done - used Aaron Hernandez in RB situations, and just signed Fells away from Denver to be a blocking TE. Tebow would fit in nicely as another versatile/athletic TE who can also run packages as QB. How about Tebow running the shuffle pass with Hernandez like at UF?

Remember, McDaniels is there now.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by bhlloy

Completely the opposite I would say. I thought Gallery had been pretty good at guard since he moved, he just never should have been drafted high as a LT. But I may be wrong on that count.

No, you're right. He performed well at guard for the Raiders. He was passable last year for Seattle. Depending on the money, this is probably a low-risk signing for the Patriots. I don't expect him to be an All-Pro, but I think he could start and he's able to back up a number of positions if needed to do so.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by jbergey22

Tebow's stock being as high as it will ever be in the NFL only bringing in a 5th round pick. I guess that kind of says it all right there.

Yeah, it says there are a lot of really f'n stupid GM's in the league. Or at least a sizable number who'd rather consistently lose pretty than at least have a chance to win ugly.

Say what you will but Tebow has one more playoff win than (among others) Matt Ryan. And if you built a team & staff around both guys to maximize the sum total of their abilities, I absolutely believe you'd get more playoff wins out of Tebow over their lifetime.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Yeah, it says there are a lot of really f'n stupid GM's in the league. Or at least a sizable number who'd rather consistently lose pretty than at least have a chance to win ugly.

Or maybe they place more value on every stat in existence over one in particular.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by Logan

Or maybe they place more value on every stat in existence over one in particular.

You mean the one that actually matters?

Look, I'm not at all suggesting that Tebow would make every team better. But there isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that, in a situation where you had both mgmt & coaching on board with it, he'd produce better results than at least 8-10 of them will get otherwise.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i'm with jimg. plus you can never discount the disrespect factor. brady, rodgers, brees all guys that play with chips because they were looked over at one point.

nobody's been dissed more than tebow.

[Rizon]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

nobody's been dissed more than tebow.

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[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

You mean the one that actually matters?

Look, I'm not at all suggesting that Tebow would make every team better. But there isn't the slightest doubt in my mind that, in a situation where you had both mgmt & coaching on board with it, he'd produce better results than at least 8-10 of them will get otherwise.

But you're requiring that team to completely overhaul their offensive philosophy - both day of game and in terms of how you are building your offensive personnel - under the assumption that the small sample size (where your one stat means much more than every other observable stat) will continue to carry through. That the other 29 teams, with the benefit of an offseason's worth of film study and gameplanning, won't be able to make the necessary adjustments.

(which BTW, it seemed like only PIT didn't actually get in place by the end of last year...we remember what his last three games looked like prior to that one, right?)

[tucker rocky]

[Logan]

LOL. To quote our own DGB: "Tim Tebow is probably now regretting teaching all his WRs how to pray for a decent quarterback."

[Scarecrow]

That's funny right there, I don't care who you are.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

i hope he gets a shot to start. with his work ethic he's going to get better.

my fear is that he goes to ne and ends up playing 16 positions.

[Ksyrup]

Edelman covering the slot receiver and Tebow at Praying Safety to deliver a crushing blow.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

miami has to sign him. you can't cock tease your fans with manning then pay it off with moore 2.0 or alex smith.

[Vince, Pt. II]

Originally Posted by Logan

I guess I would consider myself a supporter of Smith, but an issue is that it will be almost impossible for him to be as good as he was last year...and that performance is still well below championship quality. You have to expect his INTs to creep back up (only 5 INTs last year - hence it being pretty impossible to replicate) and when they do, the rest of his skills aren't there to make up for it.

Not sure I agree with this. While I anticipate his efficiency numbers will be hard to match, I think with another year in the same system and a much improved supporting cast that his numbers should improve overall.

[BlackJack]

Originally Posted by Vince, Pt. II

Why is he not worth much? I don't understand that. Former 1st rounder, led an amazing playoff upset just a few months ago, thin QB market...why exactly is he worthless?

can't throw the ball?

[Matthean]

Originally Posted by Logan

Or maybe they place more value on every stat in existence over one in particular.

This would be putting value in games where he lucked into wins as much as anything versus looking at the later games when teams had time to game plan for him better. He started for less than a year so it's hardly enough time to determine how well he can win games or not over the long haul.

The real difference between Tebow for Denver was his teammates ability to believe in him. That's it. Players weren't laying it on the line for Orton. Orton goes to a different team where he gets a fresh start and then beats Denver. The defense played as well as they could, but in the end it still has flaws. Once the losses start coming, is the defense going to continue to sell out knowing they have to cover for Tebow's passing deficiencies? I'm guessing no. The defense certainly didn't show up versus New England in the playoffs.

[Lathum]

I would love to see the Giants make a push to get Jonathan Stewart now that Tolbert has signed with the Panthers. He would be a nice replacement for JAcobs

[Chubby]

Originally Posted by NorvTurnerOverdrive

i'm with jimg. plus you can never discount the disrespect factor. brady, rodgers, brees all guys that play with chips because they were looked over at one point.

nobody's been dissed more than tebow.

Clearly Tebow = Brady, Rodgers, Brees...

/argument

[molson]

I hope the Dolphins trade for Tebow and make him their unquestioned starter. That just seems like a Dolphin thing to do.

[NorvTurnerOverdrive]

Originally Posted by Chubby

Clearly Tebow = Brady, Rodgers, Brees...

/argument

yes. exactly

[spleen1015]

From Merril Hoge talking about his favorite QB.

“The more I studied him in an NFL setting, the more disturbed I was that he has no clue what he’s looking at,” Hoge said of Tebow. “His IQ as a football player is not very good. That is why they have to come down and make it some of a college-form system that he’s comfortable with in Florida. He can’t execute, from a cerebral aspect, a pro-style system.”

[JediKooter]

So.....you're saying there's a chance?

[Julio Riddols]

Garrard to the Phins. I guess they won't have to worry about Tebow coming to Miami, and in my opinion that is 2 solid options at QB for Miami. I think Moore deserves the first crack at things though.. Now I wonder if they look for Tannehill or maybe go WR now? Perhaps they're setting up to grab Blackmon.

[Matthean]

I watched a clip with Skip Bayless saying 6-8 teams would look into getting Tebow. Now that Miami is set, I want him to name one outside of Jacksonville.

[cartman]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I watched a clip with Skip Bayless saying 6-8 teams would look into getting Tebow. Now that Miami is set, I want him to name one outside of Jacksonville.

Do CFL teams count?

[molson]

Originally Posted by Matthean

I watched a clip with Skip Bayless saying 6-8 teams would look into getting Tebow. Now that Miami is set, I want him to name one outside of Jacksonville.

I don't know if this is one of the teams he had in mind but the Philadelphia Soul makes some sense.

[Logan]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

he'd produce better results than at least 8-10 of them will get otherwise.

Originally Posted by Matthean

I watched a clip with Skip Bayless saying 6-8 teams would look into getting Tebow.

Hmmmmmm...it's starting to make sense.

[JonInMiddleGA]

Now that I think about, I don't think Bayless & I have ever been seen in the same room

[Samdari]

Originally Posted by Matthean

Now that Miami is set

Having Matt Moore and David Garrard signed in no way equals "set"