COVID-19 - Wuhan Coronavirus (a non-political thread, see pg. 36 #1778)

[bob]

Supposedly Atlanta closed schools for 2 weeks but unsure of others. Cobb as well.

Might as well close down for four weeks at this point. Being out 2 weeks to come back for 1 just to go on spring break seems dumb given the circumstances.

[RainMaker]

Biden's idea to set up mobile hospitals seems like a good idea.

The United States has only 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 people. Italy has 3.2 beds per 1,000. We are moving rapidly towards a massive shortage: expanding hospitals, getting more beds, and figuring out how to make some mobile to handle local outbreaks is critical. pic.twitter.com/iVV8aZ0XmA

— Jason Furman (@jasonfurman) March 12, 2020

[bob]

Originally Posted by bob

Supposedly Atlanta closed schools for 2 weeks but unsure of others. Cobb as well.

Might as well close down for four weeks at this point. Being out 2 weeks to come back for 1 just to go on spring break seems dumb given the circumstances.

Fulton closed until further notice. Very short email to staff that said more detail forthcoming in official communication.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by Atocep

After making fun of people for freaking out about it and purposely touching things to make a point.

Rudy Gobert's statement: "I hope my story serves as a warning and causes everyone to take this seriously." pic.twitter.com/X0ouGK5J7V

— Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) March 12, 2020

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by miked

I'm in Dekalb, so the only thing that matters is who paid the BOE members more.

#Facts

[SirFozzie]

Um... holy shit.

I just got off the phone with my doctor. The guidance she's getting is that for folks who are immuno-compromised. (I am, two medicines I take are immune supressants) are to avoid gatherings of more than 20 people, and I'm not to come in for scheduled follow-ups if the situation is fairly stable (of course, I have to report any symptoms IMMEDIATELY if not sooner).

This is going to be a crazy couple months.

[spleen1015]

Good luck man.

[Atocep]

Washington announced all public schools in King, Pierce (that's me), and Snohomish counties are to close by March 17th and are scheduled to reopen on April 24th.

[RainMaker]

What was the reasoning behind cutting the pandemic response team a couple years ago? Doesn't seem like deficits matter much to Trump so it seems like a silly thing to cut.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

What was the reasoning behind cutting the pandemic response team a couple years ago? Doesn't seem like deficits matter much to Trump so it seems like a silly thing to cut.

Trump said it was a waste of money and he can get them back together if needed (spoiler: he can't).

[SirFozzie]

Basically: "Obama created it? Get rid of it."

[MIJB#19]

At least until April 1st, we (The Netherlands) will be in some sort of semi lockdown. All 17M inhabitants are asked to avoid social gatherings as much as possible (everything of 100+ people is completely out of the question) and working at home is heavily encouraged (mandatory with any kind of symptoms of the flu). Curiously, all schools through the age of (+/-)18 are asked to stay open. Restrictions and requests are somewhat differently for those working in the cure and care sector (I'm in the later), as they're asked to stay available as much as possible, but we'll have to see where that goes for people just strictly working at the office (like me). Traveling abroad is discouraged (even forbidden for people in my area of business). Containing is the word now, it's clear that this is the only way to avoid widely fast spreading this thing.

A discouraging thing is that until about a week ago, all positive tests were said to be linked with people having returned home from (Northern) Italy (perhaps sample size issues at work here?), but that's no longer the case. Finding out where it started looks no longer possible. Too many people from across the country have been at massive social gatherings in the last weekend of February in the largest province of the country, which is also where the highest percentage of positive tests has been. A large test amongst hospital employees showed 4% tested positive in that province, regardless of whether they had any symptoms of the flu.

[RainMaker]

A previous tweet of this quote did not make it adequately clear that it is Trump who did not push for adequate testing, not Secretary of Health and Human Services Azar. Here is the whole quote for context. @ddiamond pic.twitter.com/ZZ2aPF53m6

— Fresh Air (@nprfreshair) March 12, 2020

[RainMaker]

Has there been an explanation for the lack of tests and testing? Is it a supply issue? Coordination issue? It really seems like South Korea is doing an amazing job handling this. Their death rate is remarkably low compared to other areas of the world.

Coronavirus in South Korea: How 'trace, test and treat' may be saving lives - BBC News

[SirFozzie]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Has there been an explanation for the lack of tests and testing? Is it a supply issue? Coordination issue? It really seems like South Korea is doing an amazing job handling this. Their death rate is remarkably low compared to other areas of the world.

Coronavirus in South Korea: How 'trace, test and treat' may be saving lives - BBC News

Coronavirus Test Kits | Covid-19 Test Kits | Coronavirus Testing

(bit from the article)

There's a massive shortage of COVID-19 (Coronavirus) test kits in the U.S., as cases continue to skyrocket in places like Seattle and New York City. This is largely due to the failure of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to distribute the tests in a timely fashion.

But it didn't have to be this way. Back in January and February—when cases of the deadly disease began aggressively circulating outside of China—diagnostics already existed in places like Wuhan, where the pandemic began. Those tests followed World Health Organization (WHO) test guidelines, which the U.S. decided to eschew.

Instead, the CDC created its own in-depth diagnostics that could identify not only COVID-19, but a host of SARS-like coronaviruses. Then, disaster struck: When the CDC sent tests to labs during the first week of February, those labs discovered that while the kits did detect COVID-19, they also produced false positives when checking for other viruses. As the CDC went back to the drawing board to develop yet more tests, precious time ticked away..

[PilotMan]

All the NKY schools are closed starting Monday subject to change.



I'm flying to Newark tomorrow to hang out at EWR for 7 or 8 hours, subject to an assignment (for the 3rd time this month.)

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Has there been an explanation for the lack of tests and testing? Is it a supply issue? Coordination issue? It really seems like South Korea is doing an amazing job handling this. Their death rate is remarkably low compared to other areas of the world.

Coronavirus in South Korea: How 'trace, test and treat' may be saving lives - BBC News

It seems we are too greedy and need to squeeze a buck out of anything even citizens suffering.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I'm guessing all schools around the country will be closed soon. I know that helped a lot with the Spanish Flu. I guess the twist is that this virus doesn't seem to really be hitting kids.

They are the prime carries and transmitters I bet. I got five school age kids and my wife is a fifth grade teacher.

[molson]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

The Tribe (1999 TV series - Wikipedia)

It was young adult sci-fi from New Zealand, and it was gloriously bad.

I am going to watch at least two episodes of this over the weekend and report back.

[thesloppy]

Originally Posted by molson

I am going to watch at least two episodes of this over the weekend and report back.

I will hold you to that! It is sooo bad, but I watched the whole series.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by PilotMan

I still don't see it.

I was wrong. The numbers are still the same and I was wrong. I just wasn't seeing the bigger picture and underestimating the rate of spread, as well as the unreported rates.

The biggest issue right now is that there are no tests, hospitals have to assume that anyone with symptoms even close have it, and some of them are looking at the Italy situation and rightly freaking the fuck out.



It is what it is, and it's going to be a really rough year.

[bob]

Originally Posted by thesloppy

I will hold you to that! It is sooo bad, but I watched the whole series.

It can't be that bad, right? 260 episodes!

[Lathum]

So I have a blood disorder that requires periodic phlebotomy and follow up. It is called hemochromotosis if anyone is interested.

I had a check up today to have a blood draw done and meet with my hematologist. I am fine and not really at higher risk, despite having Type 2 diabetes caused by this disorder.

When I have my blood drawn they do it right at the office, which is in the hospital in the oncology wing. Prior to even being allowed in the elevator they had a cop verbally screening people.

While in the exam room the phone rings and the guy doing the blood draw answers. It was the hospital phone, not his cell.

I obviously can only hear half the conversation but he is obviously exasperated, and saying things like

" wasn't she screened"

"didn't she have a masl"

:are you kidding me!"

There is a full lab downstairs on the first floor. turns out someone went to the lab who was systematic. The protocol is they immediately mask them and tell them they need to go home and call the health department for guidance. Turns out not only did they stay, but removed their mask and hung out for a while.

We are all so screwed.

[JPhillips]

If we shut down for a month or so it would make a huge difference, but I don't think we're going to be willing to do that until there are a lot of dead parents and grand-parents.

[tucker rocky]

Stores out/shortage of TP?
No problem just buy multiboxes of kleenex/nose tissue.
Some brands may be fragranted, but it works works just as good.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Stores out/shortage of TP?
No problem just buy multiboxes of kleenex/nose tissue.
Some brands may be fragranted, but it works works just as good.

Tell that to the sewer line.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Stores out/shortage of TP?
No problem just buy multiboxes of kleenex/nose tissue.
Some brands may be fragranted, but it works works just as good.

If you are forced to stay home...just use the shower. Damn I don't get the TP hysteria...or use paper towels and a trash can like a large portion of the world.

[Edward64]

Originally Posted by tucker rocky

Stores out/shortage of TP?
No problem just buy multiboxes of kleenex/nose tissue.
Some brands may be fragranted, but it works works just as good.

Kleenex ain't strong enough for my shit.

But I got in early so have 2 months to Charmin extra strong TP and not sweating it.

[Galaril]

Wow so Ohio head of state health department says they have over 100000 infected.
In Italy they have had to start with battlefield triage. For anyone who has not been in the military and especially combat that means they focus on those who can be saved and not spend resources or time on those who are unlikely to survive. Just make them comfortable and focus on those they can save. I saw a head of a hospital chain in New Rochelle they have to at least be prepared to d9 the same if too many get sick.
In Iran there is satellite evidence of them dig mass graves for the dead.

[JPhillips]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

If you are forced to stay home...just use the shower. Damn I don't get the TP hysteria...or use paper towels and a trash can like a large portion of the world.

This. If needed you can you old cloth and wash it. Lack of TP isn't the end of society.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Wow so Ohio head of state health department says they have over 100000 infected.
In Italy they have had to start with battlefield triage. For anyone who has not been in the military and especially combat that means they focus on those who can be saved and not spend resources or time on those who are unlikely to survive. Just make them comfortable and focus on those they can save. I saw a head of a hospital chain in New Rochelle they have to at least be prepared to d9 the same if too many get sick.
In Iran there is satellite evidence of them dig mass graves for the dead.

100,000?
Have you got any link for that?
That's the kind of fear mongering I just don't understand.

[Racer]

Disney World closing starting March 15th through the end of March. Crazy to think I was there just last week.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

100,000?
Have you got any link for that?
That's the kind of fear mongering I just don't understand.

I saw similar.

It is less than 1% of their population. Do you really think thats such a large number?

[tarcone]

Okay this one is strange. I called my daughter telling her to be prepared when they shut her school down (Southeast Missouri St.). An hour later she calls me back and tells me it is shut down. But weirdly enough, the dorms and Greek houses are staying open. WTF?

Whats the point of shutting down classes if you are not shutting down the dorms.

Then I ran into a girl that played ball with my daughter. They shut her school down during spring break ad wont let students back until April 6. She packed 4 days of spring break. WTF?

[NobodyHere]

Ohio Department of Health believes 100,000 Ohioans are carrying coronavirus

[Vegas Vic]

I stopped at Albertson's grocery store early this afternoon to pick up some chicken to throw on the grill. Normally, the parking lot is about 10% full at this time. I had trouble finding a space. First thing I see is some lady coming out with a shopping cart full of toilet paper and jugs of water.

When I get inside, there are "sheeple" with overflowing carts lined up 12 deep at each cash register, and the self-serve kiosks have about 20 people standing in line.

The irony is that if these idiots kept to their normal shopping patterns, they would be LESS likely to be at risk than packing themselves together like sardines.

I said "Fuck it" and went through the El Pollo Loco drive thru.

[Arles]

Little League International just contacted our local board and recommended that we shut down all baseball activities for Little League until April 6. Man, we don't even get local Little League, ugh.

[Arles]

Originally Posted by tarcone

Okay this one is strange. I called my daughter telling her to be prepared when they shut her school down (Southeast Missouri St.). An hour later she calls me back and tells me it is shut down. But weirdly enough, the dorms and Greek houses are staying open. WTF?

Whats the point of shutting down classes if you are not shutting down the dorms.

Many schools are leaving the dorms and a "student union" eating spot open to accommodate the international students. If you are studying in Boston, but are from India, what would you do if they shut the dorms down for 2 weeks? You could fly back to India, but good luck getting back here when schools open back up (plus the expense of it all).

[spleen1015]

Got the call tonight.

My daughter's school district is closing Monday for 2 weeks then it is spring break.

So, 3 weeks then we'll see how it goes.

[tarcone]

This is the most confusing thing ever. Does anyone really know what is going on?

I mean, one girls college shuts them out, another lets them live on campus.

What is going on? Italy is shut down, No news out of CHina recently. WTF?

This is the dumbest disease ever.

[Edward64]

It's snowballing. Daughter's and wife's school systems are shut down for "indefinitely" right now. There is a school meeting to figure out for how long and how to do remote classes tomorrow.

My son also let us know today that college said shut down for a while, remote classes, and don't come back to the dorms after spring break (exception for foreign students). Not a big deal for my son, he is on an off-campus apartment.

Looks like many schools & universities are going to temporary shutdowns and remote classes.

I wonder if part of this is fear of being sued?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by Vegas Vic

I stopped at Albertson's grocery store early this afternoon to pick up some chicken to throw on the grill. Normally, the parking lot is about 10% full at this time. I had trouble finding a space. First thing I see is some lady coming out with a shopping cart full of toilet paper and jugs of water.

When I get inside, there are "sheeple" with overflowing carts lined up 12 deep at each cash register, and the self-serve kiosks have about 20 people standing in line.

The irony is that if these idiots kept to their normal shopping patterns, they would be LESS likely to be at risk than packing themselves together like sardines.

I said "Fuck it" and went through the El Pollo Loco drive thru.

I went to Costco today. Bruh...

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

100,000?
Have you got any link for that?
That's the kind of fear mongering I just don't understand.

Originally Posted by Lathum

I saw similar.

It is less than 1% of their population. Do you really think thats such a large number?

Ohio Health Department Director Believes at Least 100,000 Ohioans Are Already Infected With Coronavirus

Not fear monger if true. I actually saw it reported on Faux News. Lol

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I saw similar.

It is less than 1% of their population. Do you really think thats such a large number?

Considering it’s almost equal the confirmed number of cases globally ...yeah I think it’s pretty irresponsible.
It’s pretty much yelling fire in a crowded theater.

[Galaril]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Considering it’s almost equal the confirmed number of cases globally ...yeah I think it’s pretty irresponsible.
It’s pretty much yelling fire in a crowded theater.

Why is that irresponsible. That very likely is the case. This thing has a R factor of 2or 3 which means it spreads like compound interest works.

[CU Tiger]

Dola - to be clear I’m not suggesting it’s not an issue. It needs to be taken seriously and has been handled poorly, globally.

But it’s also not insta death end of the world stuff either.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

Considering it’s almost equal the confirmed number of cases globally ...yeah I think it’s pretty irresponsible.
It’s pretty much yelling fire in a crowded theater.

But it isn't.

It is no secret we haven't been testing. Confirmed cases mean nothing.

If you look at the rate of transmition, exponential growth, etc...it isn't hard to fathom 1% of a states population could be carrying this.

Honestly I think the far more irresponsible thing is to pretend it isn't this bad and claim things are being blown out of proportion. Look how thats worked out so far.

[CU Tiger]

Originally Posted by Galaril

Why is that irresponsible. That very likely is the case. This thing has a R factor of 2or 3 which means it spreads like compound interest works.

There are 5 confirmed cases in Ohio.
5.
With a true r3 that’s 9 orders of magnitude. 9 Levels of r3.

South Korea who has done more tests than anywhere and has been dealing with this for much longer, before it contagious level was known ....has roughly 10% the number of infection in the entire country you suggest the state of Ohio has.

And that’s without taking into account hygiene and technology and density advantages Ohio would have.

[miami_fan]

Originally Posted by CU Tiger

If you are forced to stay home...just use the shower. Damn I don't get the TP hysteria...or use paper towels and a trash can like a large portion of the world.

But we are better than a large part of the world, we must use TP. And not that cheap shit either.


I don't get the TP hysteria either.

[CrimsonFox]

Ohio has now banned 100+ gatherings.

so much for my genesis recreation band concert at the end of the month. Several plays cancelled.

i was sick anyway so like....just every day for me sitting here