Werewolf LXI - Ocean's Eleven (GAME OVER, SEE PAGE 19 FOR RESULT.)

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

JHeinze, the fact that you trust Path makes me think you are in league with him.

How can you possibly trust him based on the fact he claims to have scanned you?

So you're saying in a game of 14 players we started with 3 wolves and a rogue and had a conversion? That seems like a leap. There is only one bad guy left.

I'm fine if you think it's me, it's not by the by, but don't think it's me because I believe Path, that's just wholly implausible.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So you're saying in a game of 14 players we started with 3 wolves and a rogue and had a conversion? That seems like a leap. There is only one bad guy left.

I'm fine if you think it's me, it's not by the by, but don't think it's me because I believe Path, that's just wholly implausible.

If there is only 1 bad guy left there is no way it is you because that would mean Path is telling the truth about being a seer.

I find it unlikely there are 2 bad guys left but it is possible, especially considering there are items, etc... that could balance things out.

I find it far more likely Path is the lone bad guy.

[Lathum]

Clap- I see you hanging around.

What do you think?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

If there is only 1 bad guy left there is no way it is you because that would mean Path is telling the truth about being a seer.

I find it unlikely there are 2 bad guys left but it is possible, especially considering there are items, etc... that could balance things out.

I find it far more likely Path is the lone bad guy.

So if Path is the lone bad guy, what happened on night one do you think? Something surely happened, and I know you don't think you blocked a kill. You yourself said you basically picked me because I wasn't as well-known.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

So if Path is the lone bad guy, what happened on night one do you think? Something surely happened, and I know you don't think you blocked a kill. You yourself said you basically picked me because I wasn't as well-known.

nope, no blocked kill.

But I don't understand your question...

Are you saying you think we started with 2 wolves and there was a night 1 conversion?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

nope, no blocked kill.

But I don't understand your question...

Are you saying you think we started with 2 wolves and there was a night 1 conversion?

Yes. We started with 2 wolves plus the rogue (who had the option of joining the wolves after the 2nd night). I think 3 + rogue would be a far too imbalanced game.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Clap- I see you hanging around.

What do you think?

I wasnt hanging around, just working

My moneys on path, although Heinz seems kinda sketchy to me this game. If I had to bet I would be that path is a wolf, and he knew heinz was good cuz he knows all the wolfses/

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

I wasnt hanging around, just working

My moneys on path, although Heinz seems kinda sketchy to me this game. If I had to bet I would be that path is a wolf, and he knew heinz was good cuz he knows all the wolfses/

But what would be a wolves motivation for clearing someone on the outside of the COT? By doing so, path is almost inviting more speculation onto himself.

[Barkeep49]

The big question for the day is whether I believe we'd have started off with only the arrogant seer. If so we got REALLY lucky that ntn became a normal seer. Is the balance, from what we know, such that it would make sense to only have that role? That's the question I'm struggling with, aided on by jh's somewhat haunting question about what happened night 1 and the possibility of a conversion.

The other question to consider is would we have learned if a converted wolf died? Judging from the death reveal of NTN, I would have to say "Yes". So I think we can rule out hte idea that sndvls or Anxiety was the convert.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

But what would be a wolves motivation for clearing someone on the outside of the COT? By doing so, path is almost inviting more speculation onto himself.

Well here is the thing, there are 6 players left. If we count Render who was lynched last night Path had 6 candidates to choose from to scan.

Lathum
Jheinze
Claphamsa
Render
Telle
Barkeep

Now of the people on that list he can't it would look suspiscous if he scanned Barkeep and Telle because they were already cleared by NTNDeacon

that leaves

JHeinze
Claphamsa
Render
Lathum

Now they knew they were going to kill Render last night so Path can't claim to have scanned him because it would have been to convienient that the person he scanned was killed.


that leaves

Jheinze
Claphamsa
Lathum

Lathum and Claphasma have both revealed pro villager roles that have not been countered so why would Path scan one of them.

that leaves

JHeinze

Path is a smart player. He knows that he had to claim he scanned you since you are the only "unknown" left in the game.


He also knows as the last wolf he can't just come out and say " I scanned JHeinze and he's a wolf" because then he would be busted once you were lynched and came up good.

Path made the only move he could to not blow his cover, now he needs to try and gain some trust and you are making a mistake giving it to him.

[Lathum]

dola- If you are talking about conversions it is just as likely for me ( the BG) to be converted as it is for Path to have been converted.

[jeheinz72]

If Path got converted though it doesn't add up to me that he'd also then reveal he was the Seer later in the game (much less reveal as the 2nd one). That seems like a high-risk / low-reward play. He didn't even have a vote on him when he did (It was all 5 for SnDvls).

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 912-

Lathum (1)- jeheinz72(883)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894)

Still to vote: Barkeep49, Claphamsa, Telle, Path 12 (damn, I had to go back three times, small list!)

[Abe Sargent]

Good morning again. Thanks all for the game!

Sucks to be a wolf the very game after you ran the distance as a wolf, but them's the breaks in WW. You folks have a good one!

[path12]

Ah, Lathum. Sneaky, sneaky Lathum. They got you night 1, I suppose? Because you were my view last night, and you, my friend, are a wolf.

VOTE LATHUM

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by path12

Ah, Lathum. Sneaky, sneaky Lathum. They got you night 1, I suppose? Because you were my view last night, and you, my friend, are a wolf.

VOTE LATHUM

didnt you say last night you saw heinz?

[claphamsa]

So basically at this point we have to pick between latham and path, and i really doesnt matter whoch one it is because well just get the other the next night!

vote path

[Lathum]

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

How so? He had to scan someone last night, right?

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

How so? He had to scan someone last night, right?

Of course he had to, assuming he is telling the truth about being a seer.

Which he is not.

Look back at who he claims to have scanned, not one of those scans were even remotly helpfull to us. Throw in the fact that he claims to have learned who the rogue was night one when the rules specificly state that can't happen should be plenty of evidence.

My guess is there was some random mechanism that if the seer scans the rogue they get converted and the arrogant seer gains power to balance things out.

[Lathum]

By the way, my concern is that JHeinz could be the amature so if I get lynched Path could convert him tonight.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

By the way, my concern is that JHeinz could be the amature so if I get lynched Path could convert him tonight.

Now that smells of desperation.

[Lathum]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Now that smells of desperation.

anytime someone sides with the person who is obviously a wolf that is going to concern me.

I am just stating a possibility. I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

[Lathum]

And now I am out, we are going to happy hour and a movie. I may be back later in case I need to defend myself.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by Lathum

anytime someone sides with the person who is obviously a wolf that is going to concern me.

I am just stating a possibility. I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

1. I'm not of the ilk that Path is a wolf

2. Please do tell the examples

3. I'd debate you didn't need to reveal, and only could because you knew it wouldn't/couldn't be countered

4. How did your reveal setup the COT again? No one was added to it based on anything you did. All it did was attempt to put yourself into it.

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 925-

Lathum (1)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894), Claphamsa (917)

Still to vote: Barkeep49, Telle

[Barkeep49]

I'm quite undecided about who to vote for. I'm going out shortly and will be back later. I think I will place my vote with whoever Telle goes for to avoid any ties or last minute shenanigans.

[Barkeep49]

DOLA - Still thinking about everything though.

[path12]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

didnt you say last night you saw heinz?

No, I saw heinz the night before (night 4). We just had night 5 with the early deadline.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Desperation move on Paths part but nice try.

Au contraire, my hairy friend, but there is no reason for our esteemed GM to lie to me. Somehow over this game, you've become a wolf. I'm guessing night 1 and you came out as the bodyguard after that in order to gain trust, which worked for the most part until now.

Funny how none of the people you guarded were never attacked.......

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Now that smells of desperation.

Yep. Lathum always goes down with a fight.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

I can point out a number of examples of why I'm not a wolf, not the least of which is I revealed when there was no reason to and my reveal is what allowed us to set up our initial COT.

And what better place for a converted bodyguard/wolf to hide but to reveal and place himself in the initial COT?

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by path12

Yep. Lathum always goes down with a fight.

Indeed. Frankly though, I'm with clap, it doesn't really matter. The only difference for me if you're the wolf and not him is that I won't have been correct.

Either way, presuming 1 wolf left, I can't see how the end game works out in a victory for them if it's either of you two.

[path12]

Originally Posted by claphamsa

So basically at this point we have to pick between latham and path, and i really doesnt matter whoch one it is because well just get the other the next night!

vote path

Clap, rather than lynch the seer, why don't you vote Lathum and let me prove that I'm right? If I'm wrong, you can always get me tomorrow, but if you lynch me tonight you've lost the only person left who can find a convert.

[path12]

Originally Posted by Lathum

Look back at who he claims to have scanned, not one of those scans were even remotly helpfull to us.

This is a really poor argument for two reasons:

1) I just found a wolf last night. You. I also have cleared jeheinz.

2) Pray tell exactly how useful your guarding has been?

[path12]

Originally Posted by jeheinz72

Indeed. Frankly though, I'm with clap, it doesn't really matter. The only difference for me if you're the wolf and not him is that I won't have been correct.

Either way, presuming 1 wolf left, I can't see how the end game works out in a victory for them if it's either of you two.

Sure, it probably doesn't matter on a meta sense. I would certainly like to be alive to win the game though. And considering you and Clap both were happy to believe me when I was clearing you guys I'd like to think you'd still believe me now.

[jeheinz72]

Originally Posted by path12

Sure, it probably doesn't matter on a meta sense. I would certainly like to be alive to win the game though. And considering you and Clap both were happy to believe me when I was clearing you guys I'd like to think you'd still believe me now.

Oh I believe you, with about 70% confidence. My vote isn't changing (I'm outta here in 20 min and won't be back til Monday)

[claphamsa]

I guess vote lantham
unvote path


once again it really doesnt matter

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 939-
Lathum (3)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938)
Path12 (1)- Lathum (894)


Still to vote: Barkeep49, Telle

[claphamsa]

vote nightfall!

[path12]

I'm going to be gone for the evening. Good luck to us!

[Telle]

Gah.. I just don't know. I haven't bought path's story from when he first came out with it.. but then this is possible. But I think I'm gonna stick with my gut..

VOTE PATH

[PurdueBrad]

Current tally as of post 943-
Lathum (3)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938)
Path12 (2)- Lathum (894), Telle (942)


Still to vote: Barkeep49

[Barkeep49]

Well sheesh. I wasn't expecting movements from others when I said I'd likely go with Telle. I hate voting into a tie.

[claphamsa]

Originally Posted by Barkeep49

Well sheesh. I wasn't expecting movements from others when I said I'd likely go with Telle. I hate voting into a tie.

then vote lantham

[Barkeep49]

No real choice.

Vote Lathum

[PurdueBrad]

Final Tally-
Lathum (4)- jeheinz72(883), Path12 (915), Claphamsa (938), Barkeep (946)
Path12 (2)- Lathum (894), Telle (942)

[Lathum]

wait!?

I thought we weren't going with the 10:00PM deadline??

[PurdueBrad]

TONIGHT WAS KIND OF A COOL SET-UP AS IT ESSENTIALLY SPELLED POSSIBLE END GAME IN TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, ONE FOR EACH TEAM...


The team decides that it is time to move Lathum out of the pack. He's claimed over and over, again and again to be the group's tough guy, but was he?

The team drives Lathum to the front of the high-rise that is home to Terry Benedict's apartment and you drop him off in the street, next to Benedict's garbage.

Unfortunately, he's Livingston Dell, bodyguard and villager.

"I told you guys," shouts Telle, from the driver seat of the van.

"Too bad you weren't persuasive enough," says Path (Turk Malloy, persuasive wolf), as he attacks and kills Telle (Jimmy Foster, villager) in front of Claphamsa and Barkeep49.

Clap is stunned and shouts, "Barkeep, help me stop this."

"I agree, let's stop this," Barkeep says as he reaches out...


...taking Claphamsa by the throat and strangling him.

"I guess you should've listened to your gut, eh Smiley," Barkeep (Basher Tarr, original villager, late game convert to wolf) says, laughing.
During the chaos, jeheinz72 (Saul Bloom) bolts the van and sprints for freedom. He turns to give the wolves the finger, only to find himself run over by a smiling Terry Benedict, who's limo had been following the van.



And with that, Terry Benedict has taken down the crew and the wolves win!


P.S.- Villagers, had you hit on the casino tonight (a 5 out of 6 chance) and lynched Path, you would've been guaranteed major victory with only 4 players remaining to knock off the final casino.

[PurdueBrad]

Originally Posted by Lathum

wait!?

I thought we weren't going with the 10:00PM deadline??

9 PM CST as the title states as everyone made it. Even though last voter held out a bit...BK, you jerk!