Werewolf LI Major League (GAME OVER!!! INDIANS--GOOD GUYS--WIN!!!) - Page 19

Chief Rum · 08-09-2007, 10:13 PM

Harry Doyle: (Hayes takes his lead off first base) We don't know where Hayes played last year, but I'm sure he did a hell of a job.

Spirits are high as you march onto the field, knowing one less wolf is on your back. And with a win and a Yankee loss, you can move into first!

The Orioles are trying to avoid the sweep and are sending their best fireballer out there tonight. Try as you might, you can't seem to solve him. It doesn't help that you had to rush up a minor leaguer to pitch for Vaughan, since it was his turn tonight.

The kid turns in a decent performance, but you're down 3-0 going into the bottom of the eighth. Cerrano has been the man of late, but he hasn't been able to muster a powerful hit tonight yet, going one for three so far with a single and two strikeouts. He ended the last inning with his second punch out.

No, today's hero will have to be struttin' Jack Parkman. The fireballer, trying to get one more inning out of his arm, busts Parkman inside early on after walking Tomlinson. "That just gets Parkman mad. And no one wants to get Parkman mad", Parkman tells anyone who will listen, which is no one.

Too bad; they shoulda. The pitcher hangs a curve in Parkman's wheelhouse and the catcher drills a powerful shot over the left-center wall! Parkman stands there admiring the flying ball, then he glares at the mound as he takes a step toward first, then he tauntingly flips his bat back toward the on deck circle to trot slowly around the bases. And the Indians are within one!

After the next three hitters end up in the dirt and three pitchers are ejected, a reliever gets the final four outs, and Parkman's heroics go for naught. The Tribe have lost, 3-2!

But so have the Yankees. They get drilled in Detroit to wrap that series. You're all still tied at the top!

DAY FOUR HAS NOW BEGUN. THE DEADLINE IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT.

Please note, tomorrow is a regular schedule but should it be necessary, we have an extended schedule for the weekend. Please review Post #2 for times.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:15 PM

umm, so who was night killed?

hoopsguy · 08-09-2007, 10:19 PM

No updates in Post #3 - of course, Pass is not listed either.

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

umm, so who was night killed?

Ditto

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:20 PM

perhaps a succesfull block, could we be that lucky?

Chief?

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 10:20 PM

good question. Night-kill? does one of the remaining wolves wanna fill us in?

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-09-2007, 10:25 PM

I wonder if the wolves have a rotating kill and tonight was Pass's.

Chief Rum · 08-09-2007, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

perhaps a succesfull block, could we be that lucky?

Chief?

You all have received all of the information you will receive from the GM until the next deadline.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:28 PM

well I would hope there was some indication that the night actions have been processed

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:29 PM

and there it is.

Maybe DT couldn't get in his night action because of his " internet" issues

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 10:31 PM

Alright then.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

Chief Rum · 08-09-2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoopsguy

No updates in Post #3 - of course, Pass is not listed either.

Post #3 is updated now.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:32 PM

So I guess we can assume with 9 of us left the seer can clear 3 plus himself which equals 4 and leaves us with 5 unknowns. The BG can protect and the seer can then clear another.

I also think the Duke should come forward so we can lynch him tomorrow and avoid killing a good guy.

Chief Rum · 08-09-2007, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

well I would hope there was some indication that the night actions have been processed

FYI...when the nightly game results have been posted, and the next day is officially announced with deadline, all night actions have been processed and results taken care of and PMs sent.

So at that point, you can all assume that is all that will be forthcoming. Sorry if that was confusing anyone.

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 10:41 PM

Phew. I thought I'd been killed that night.

Anyway, I'm the Seer. Night one I scanned Lathum (good, no role), night two was Barkeep (good, no role) and night three was Hoopsguy (wolf).

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

I'll probably be scanning Ezarik next night to confirm his suspected wolfiness, so long as the Bodyguard wasn't protecting me this night. If by some miracle I survive after that, I might try out KWhit or that Parkman fellow.

Anyway.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO (for now)
VOTE HOOPSGUY

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:45 PM

nice, no reason to think he is lying at this point and I know I am good. Plus Gonzo has been dropping hints about me all game.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 10:45 PM

As I was just saying to Cronin, it's probably Sod's law that the bodyguard's protected me last night and stopped them killing. Oh well.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:49 PM

At this point the duke needs to stay quiet since Hoops will likely be lynched tomorrow.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:50 PM

dola- Gonzo will be targeted tomorrow night, I think after the night kill will be an optimal time for the duke to reveal

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 10:51 PM

gonzo...i'm a villager. feel free to scan me at any point to prove that to everyone.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

PurdueBrad · 08-09-2007, 10:54 PM

I'll re-vote Hoops' way again (sorry again Hoops, although not nearly as sorry if you are wolf). DT, I think it was about trying to achieve optimal victory and not worrying about the minor.

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

have you been reading what I have been writting all along about hoops?

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaddyTorgo

just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

Trying to gain the village's trust by helping us with something minor while they win the major victory.

Look at the Pass lynch and the whole play where Pass was saying "oh save me Hoops!" and Hoops the brave villager was having none of it. Fairly certain that was another ploy to gain our trust.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 11:05 PM

Damn, I was onto hoops all game!!!

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 11:06 PM

Gonzo, I am assuming you were protected last night, but if not who will you be scanning tomorrow night

Gonzo · 08-09-2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Gonzo, I am assuming you were protected last night, but if not who will you be scanning tomorrow night

JE. I'm feeling pretty good about DaddyTorgo being a wolf, so I wouldn't want to waste a scan on him.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 11:11 PM

*sigh* Droolers at the hospital. Jack Parkman needs to have a talk with the Community Liasion. That was a new suit.

Catching up.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonathan Ezarik

Was path around at the deadline? I know Gonzo was, but I don't remember seeing path.

Jack Parkman was with a bunch of slobbering brats at the deadline.

Lathum · 08-09-2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

JE. I'm feeling pretty good about DaddyTorgo being a wolf, so I wouldn't want to waste a scan on him.

well it really is six of one hald dozen of the other.

Is it possible someone was converted last night?

DaddyTorgo · 08-09-2007, 11:18 PM

I have been reading, but I havn't been playing my best game. I've been distracted most the time.

path12 · 08-09-2007, 11:19 PM

Jack Parkman has three things to say.

1) That Oriole pitcher didn't have shit.

2) Jack Parkman never believed in voodoo.

3) Where the hell is the clubhouse boy? I need someone to sign some autographs for me!

VOTE HOOPSGUY

Jonathan Ezarik · 08-10-2007, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

Is it possible someone was converted last night?

I don't know if it's possible, but I am concerned with Gonzo saying that he was killed and then coming out and claiming to be the seer. What could he have received in a PM that would make him think that he'd been killed?

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Rum

You all have received all of the information you will receive from the GM until the next deadline.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Alright then.

VOTE DADDYTORGO

For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

Phew. I thought I'd been killed that night.

Anyway, I'm the Seer. Night one I scanned Lathum (good, no role), night two was Barkeep (good, no role) and night three was Hoopsguy (wolf).

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

I'll probably be scanning Ezarik next night to confirm his suspected wolfiness, so long as the Bodyguard wasn't protecting me this night. If by some miracle I survive after that, I might try out KWhit or that Parkman fellow.

Anyway.

UNVOTE DADDYTORGO (for now)
VOTE HOOPSGUY

If you are the seer and you learned that I was a wolf, then why did you vote for Daddy Torgo first?

I'm not the seer, but seeing how most of the people remaining in the game have posted since your claim I'm doubting that the "real" seer is going to be coming out to rescue me here.

No night kill last night + bs seer reveal play here makes me believe that the seer was converted last night.

I don't know how any sane person could believe that I would have let Passacaglia eat it last night. Why would I have started the vote on him, left him in a one-vote position inside the final half hour, and then force his hand into a fake seer reveal? C'mon, if I was a wolf I would be willing to build trust but I wouldn't be willing to give away a fellow wolf when there was no reason to be in that situation.

Also, it is pretty convenient for the seer to be in a position to have only scanned people who are alive, including Lathum who has been in attack-dog mode about me and Day 4.

I'll start by voting for Gonzo now, who may have been the real seer at one point, but certainly isn't playing for the Indians at this point.

VOTE GONZO

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 07:24 AM

Additionally, I am the Scout. Which may explain some of my keen interest in the talent levels this game.

Night 1 - Celeval (Jake Taylor) was 2nd rated guy on the team
Night 2 - Barkeep (random scrub) was 14th rated guy on the team
Night 3 - Path12 (Jack Partman) was 4th rated guy on the team

Given that information, plus my own performances in games, I think it should be clear that I had every reason to believe that the talent levels were not random.

And I'm guessing no one will challenge me on being the scout because the wolves have already lost one of their number and fake revealed for another role. They can't have enough numbers to claim two roles to bury me, right?

Chief Rum stated that this is a standard werewolf game. Which I take to mean that our four good guy roles are all in play as good guys. If you accept that I'm the scout - and my posts over the last few days should be just littered with references on this talent discussion - then you factor in my play against Pass yesterday and the fact that I've won us games twice, then you can't possibly believe that I'm a wolf.

Lathum · 08-10-2007, 08:04 AM

I just don't see a reason why Gonzo would fake reveal. And if he did it would be worth it for the seer to reveal.

Plus he has been dropping hints about me since day 2 so I am inclined to believe him.

Barkeep49 · 08-10-2007, 08:31 AM

I've also thought something was off with hoops and have said as much pretty consistently across the game. Since Gonzo is confirming a bias of mine I'll believe him

.

Vote hoopsguy

path12 · 08-10-2007, 08:40 AM

Jack Parkman believes that if Gonzo was not the seer, the real one would step up to counter. That has not happened, so Jack Parkman believes Gonzo.

Besides, Jack Parkman sees one big flaw in your "scout" reveal. There is NO WAY that Jack Parkman could be rated just 4th on this team. Jack Parkman is this team.

Barkeep49 · 08-10-2007, 08:43 AM

Also, just in case anyone is curious, apparently, as I think it's possible both hoops and Gonzo are telling the truth, I was scanned night 2 and got no PM to that effect either time.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:17 AM

Path, if I'm not the real scout then the real scout would be able to step up and counter. I'm sorry that the information on you wasn't what you want to hear. However, I'm guessing that Pass would have ocme in 3rd, and that you are the best option left for step-it-ups after me that is left in the game.

I'll put my action out there again tonight, but if I'm lynched I won't get to use it. So I would suggest that you do the same and hopefully you are able to pull in a win this time around.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lathum

I just don't see a reason why Gonzo would fake reveal. And if he did it would be worth it for the seer to reveal.

Plus he has been dropping hints about me since day 2 so I am inclined to believe him.

The fact that there hasn't been a counter leads me to believe that either Gonzo was the seer or that the seer was converted last night. Based on his believing he was dead, I'm guessing he was the actual seer and misread his conversion PM.

He came out voting for Daddy Torgo, because that is what he was going to do as a villager and he now knew that DT is a villager. However, a couple of PMs with his fellow wolf (hope it isn't wolves at this point) turned his action towards the fake reveal. They knew there wouldn't be a counter-reveal - I'm a good guy, I'm not going to fake reveal as seer to counter - because they already had the seer converted.

They then get rid of a player (me) who played a big role in landing a wolf (see my trust list, my vote for Pass, not moving it, calling out his lie on Gonzo, etc) and a guy who has won multiple games. The one time I haven't put in an action to win a game we lost.

I'm concerned that the wolves started out with three and got a conversion, because this move doesn't make a lot of sense to me if it isn't an end-game scenario. With nine remaining, we should have a 7-2 edge. But if it is 6-3, and moves to 4-3 with a bad lynch + night kill then maybe they have a brutal wolf? Some extra action? I don't think we can count on this being a poorly calculated action, so they have to feel like they have the numbers for a tradeoff.

DaddyTorgo · 08-10-2007, 09:35 AM

could the seer be converted though? that seems like it'd be a real nasty blow

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:41 AM

DaddyT, conversion rules change from game to game but there have been plenty that allow any person to be converted.

The seer conversion is the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of an unchallenged seer claim against me when I'm a villager.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:42 AM

Think about it - if I was a wolf, I would counter-claim seer right away and take my chances in a posting matchup with Gonzo. Given his somewhat erratic availability during the day, I would be fine taking my chances with that scenario.

What I would not do is claim another role, opening up an opportunity for someone else to challenge me. But that is exactly what I've done, because I am the villager with that role (Scout). And, based on where things sit right now you guys will learn that the hard way tonight.

DaddyTorgo · 08-10-2007, 09:44 AM

UNVOTE HOOPS

i'm not the tiebreaker vote or anything, so I feel okay doing that.

DaddyTorgo · 08-10-2007, 09:49 AM

VOTE GONZO

hoops makes sense with his posts, and it does make absolutely no sense for gonzo to vote for me after saying that hoops is a wolf. Smells a lot like some sort of endgame play "vote with me today on this person I havn't scanned and we can take care of the wolf I know tomorrow" only by that point we will have lost? or he'll get 2 kills out of his reveal at least.

I can also see gonzo as a potential conversion target...someone relatively new and not necessarily in the WW "Inner Circle," with somewhat erratic posts.

Barkeep49 · 08-10-2007, 09:52 AM

It does seem strange that Gonzo came out voting for soemone who was not a wolf. Do the time stamps match up with when CR likely sent out the PMs?

On the other hand, why would Gonzo be willing to sacrafice himself in a 1-1 at this point? If he's a converted seer why not just clear two villagers and a wolf and completely mess up the COT? Sure it would eventually come back to bite him but then the villagers would have to figure out who was a real wolf and who was a real villager and there would be enough confusion that the wolves would likely win.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:53 AM

Quote:

In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE.

This is BS. The whole "DT faulty internet" thing went down after the deadline, which would mean that he could not have submitted a scan for me because of this. He would have had to wait for today. However, after voting initially for DT, after Rum has confirmed all PMs have been sent, he then changes his vote to me, the guy he supposedly scanned on Day 3.

It doesn't add up at all. If you want to lynch me for being alive on Day 4 in a game that is your choice, but if you are paying any attention to my play and the facts around Gonzo's seer reveal then you would realize that he is a wolf.

DaddyTorgo · 08-10-2007, 09:56 AM

sounds solid to me hoops. Good chance that is indeed the case. And it does explain your ridiculous fascination with games and rankings and all that stuff.

hoopsguy · 08-10-2007, 09:57 AM

Barkeep, I would prefer that someone else do the timeline post - starting with the fake reveal by Pass, up to the point where Gonzo comes after me - to remove the idea that I'm shaping the events in my favor. If no one else does, I'll put it out there but I'm clearly biased as the accused party.

DaddyTorgo · 08-10-2007, 09:57 AM

and ftr...i wasn't "caught out" with my faulty internet connection thing, because it's the truth. My wifi has been being very flakey, every so often I have to go upstairs and unplug the cable modem and router and reconnect. Unfortunately I usually don't realize that for like 10 minutes, I just assume I got kicked off the net for another reason.

lathum+gonzo for wolves? or do we thik lathum is good and is just pushing so hard for me still because he's a misguided villager?

08-09-2007, 11:11 PM	#927
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	sigh Droolers at the hospital. Jack Parkman needs to have a talk with the Community Liasion. That was a new suit. Catching up. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-09-2007, 11:19 PM	#931
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Jack Parkman has three things to say. 1) That Oriole pitcher didn't have shit. 2) Jack Parkman never believed in voodoo. 3) Where the hell is the clubhouse boy? I need someone to sign some autographs for me! VOTE HOOPSGUY __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-10-2007, 08:40 AM	#937
path12 Coordinator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle, WA	Jack Parkman believes that if Gonzo was not the seer, the real one would step up to counter. That has not happened, so Jack Parkman believes Gonzo. Besides, Jack Parkman sees one big flaw in your "scout" reveal. There is NO WAY that Jack Parkman could be rated just 4th on this team. Jack Parkman is this team. __________________ We have always been at war with Eastasia.

08-09-2007, 10:13 PM	#901
Chief Rum Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Where Hip Hop lives	Harry Doyle: (Hayes takes his lead off first base) We don't know where Hayes played last year, but I'm sure he did a hell of a job. Spirits are high as you march onto the field, knowing one less wolf is on your back. And with a win and a Yankee loss, you can move into first! The Orioles are trying to avoid the sweep and are sending their best fireballer out there tonight. Try as you might, you can't seem to solve him. It doesn't help that you had to rush up a minor leaguer to pitch for Vaughan, since it was his turn tonight. The kid turns in a decent performance, but you're down 3-0 going into the bottom of the eighth. Cerrano has been the man of late, but he hasn't been able to muster a powerful hit tonight yet, going one for three so far with a single and two strikeouts. He ended the last inning with his second punch out. No, today's hero will have to be struttin' Jack Parkman. The fireballer, trying to get one more inning out of his arm, busts Parkman inside early on after walking Tomlinson. "That just gets Parkman mad. And no one wants to get Parkman mad", Parkman tells anyone who will listen, which is no one. Too bad; they shoulda. The pitcher hangs a curve in Parkman's wheelhouse and the catcher drills a powerful shot over the left-center wall! Parkman stands there admiring the flying ball, then he glares at the mound as he takes a step toward first, then he tauntingly flips his bat back toward the on deck circle to trot slowly around the bases. And the Indians are within one! After the next three hitters end up in the dirt and three pitchers are ejected, a reliever gets the final four outs, and Parkman's heroics go for naught. The Tribe have lost, 3-2! But so have the Yankees. They get drilled in Detroit to wrap that series. You're all still tied at the top! DAY FOUR HAS NOW BEGUN. THE DEADLINE IS 10 P.M. EST/7 P.M. PDT. Please note, tomorrow is a regular schedule but should it be necessary, we have an extended schedule for the weekend. Please review Post #2 for times.

08-09-2007, 10:15 PM	#902
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	umm, so who was night killed?

08-09-2007, 10:19 PM	#903
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	No updates in Post #3 - of course, Pass is not listed either.

08-09-2007, 10:20 PM	#905
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	perhaps a succesfull block, could we be that lucky? Chief?

08-09-2007, 10:20 PM	#906
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	good question. Night-kill? does one of the remaining wolves wanna fill us in?

08-09-2007, 10:25 PM	#907
Jonathan Ezarik College Benchwarmer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Bossier City, LA	I wonder if the wolves have a rotating kill and tonight was Pass's.

08-09-2007, 10:28 PM	#909
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	well I would hope there was some indication that the night actions have been processed

08-09-2007, 10:29 PM	#910
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	and there it is. Maybe DT couldn't get in his night action because of his " internet" issues

08-09-2007, 10:31 PM	#911
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	Alright then. VOTE DADDYTORGO For the reasons stated above, re the "when I'm a wolf I blame internet connections for not voting" thing.

08-09-2007, 10:32 PM	#913
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	So I guess we can assume with 9 of us left the seer can clear 3 plus himself which equals 4 and leaves us with 5 unknowns. The BG can protect and the seer can then clear another. I also think the Duke should come forward so we can lynch him tomorrow and avoid killing a good guy.

08-09-2007, 10:41 PM	#915
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	Phew. I thought I'd been killed that night. Anyway, I'm the Seer. Night one I scanned Lathum (good, no role), night two was Barkeep (good, no role) and night three was Hoopsguy (wolf). In summary, I found it interesting that once DaddyTorgo was caught out with his "faulty internet connection" play, Hoopsguy jumped to defend him along with Ezarik. This leads me to believe that Torgo is a wolf, along with Hoopsguy and possibly JE. I'll probably be scanning Ezarik next night to confirm his suspected wolfiness, so long as the Bodyguard wasn't protecting me this night. If by some miracle I survive after that, I might try out KWhit or that Parkman fellow. Anyway. UNVOTE DADDYTORGO (for now) VOTE HOOPSGUY

08-09-2007, 10:45 PM	#916
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	nice, no reason to think he is lying at this point and I know I am good. Plus Gonzo has been dropping hints about me all game. VOTE HOOPSGUY

08-09-2007, 10:45 PM	#917
Gonzo Mascot Join Date: Jul 2007	As I was just saying to Cronin, it's probably Sod's law that the bodyguard's protected me last night and stopped them killing. Oh well.

08-09-2007, 10:49 PM	#918
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	At this point the duke needs to stay quiet since Hoops will likely be lynched tomorrow.

08-09-2007, 10:50 PM	#919
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	dola- Gonzo will be targeted tomorrow night, I think after the night kill will be an optimal time for the duke to reveal

08-09-2007, 10:51 PM	#920
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	gonzo...i'm a villager. feel free to scan me at any point to prove that to everyone. VOTE HOOPSGUY just a question: how do we explain hoops winning us 2 games?

08-09-2007, 10:54 PM	#921
PurdueBrad Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: DeKalb, IL	I'll re-vote Hoops' way again (sorry again Hoops, although not nearly as sorry if you are wolf). DT, I think it was about trying to achieve optimal victory and not worrying about the minor. VOTE HOOPSGUY

08-09-2007, 11:05 PM	#924
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Damn, I was onto hoops all game!!!

08-09-2007, 11:06 PM	#925
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	Gonzo, I am assuming you were protected last night, but if not who will you be scanning tomorrow night

08-09-2007, 11:18 PM	#930
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	I have been reading, but I havn't been playing my best game. I've been distracted most the time.

08-10-2007, 07:24 AM	#934
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Additionally, I am the Scout. Which may explain some of my keen interest in the talent levels this game. Night 1 - Celeval (Jake Taylor) was 2nd rated guy on the team Night 2 - Barkeep (random scrub) was 14th rated guy on the team Night 3 - Path12 (Jack Partman) was 4th rated guy on the team Given that information, plus my own performances in games, I think it should be clear that I had every reason to believe that the talent levels were not random. And I'm guessing no one will challenge me on being the scout because the wolves have already lost one of their number and fake revealed for another role. They can't have enough numbers to claim two roles to bury me, right? Chief Rum stated that this is a standard werewolf game. Which I take to mean that our four good guy roles are all in play as good guys. If you accept that I'm the scout - and my posts over the last few days should be just littered with references on this talent discussion - then you factor in my play against Pass yesterday and the fact that I've won us games twice, then you can't possibly believe that I'm a wolf.

08-10-2007, 08:04 AM	#935
Lathum Favored Bitch #1 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: homeless in NJ	I just don't see a reason why Gonzo would fake reveal. And if he did it would be worth it for the seer to reveal. Plus he has been dropping hints about me since day 2 so I am inclined to believe him.

08-10-2007, 08:31 AM	#936
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	I've also thought something was off with hoops and have said as much pretty consistently across the game. Since Gonzo is confirming a bias of mine I'll believe him . Vote hoopsguy

08-10-2007, 08:43 AM	#938
Barkeep49 Coordinator Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Not too far away	Also, just in case anyone is curious, apparently, as I think it's possible both hoops and Gonzo are telling the truth, I was scanned night 2 and got no PM to that effect either time.

08-10-2007, 09:17 AM	#939
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Path, if I'm not the real scout then the real scout would be able to step up and counter. I'm sorry that the information on you wasn't what you want to hear. However, I'm guessing that Pass would have ocme in 3rd, and that you are the best option left for step-it-ups after me that is left in the game. I'll put my action out there again tonight, but if I'm lynched I won't get to use it. So I would suggest that you do the same and hopefully you are able to pull in a win this time around.

08-10-2007, 09:35 AM	#941
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	could the seer be converted though? that seems like it'd be a real nasty blow

08-10-2007, 09:41 AM	#942
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	DaddyT, conversion rules change from game to game but there have been plenty that allow any person to be converted. The seer conversion is the only thing that makes sense to me in terms of an unchallenged seer claim against me when I'm a villager.

08-10-2007, 09:42 AM	#943
hoopsguy General Manager Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago	Think about it - if I was a wolf, I would counter-claim seer right away and take my chances in a posting matchup with Gonzo. Given his somewhat erratic availability during the day, I would be fine taking my chances with that scenario. What I would not do is claim another role, opening up an opportunity for someone else to challenge me. But that is exactly what I've done, because I am the villager with that role (Scout). And, based on where things sit right now you guys will learn that the hard way tonight.

08-10-2007, 09:44 AM	#944
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	UNVOTE HOOPS i'm not the tiebreaker vote or anything, so I feel okay doing that.

08-10-2007, 09:49 AM	#945
DaddyTorgo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Massachusetts	VOTE GONZO hoops makes sense with his posts, and it does make absolutely no sense for gonzo to vote for me after saying that hoops is a wolf. Smells a lot like some sort of endgame play "vote with me today on this person I havn't scanned and we can take care of the wolf I know tomorrow" only by that point we will have lost? or he'll get 2 kills out of his reveal at least. I can also see gonzo as a potential conversion target...someone relatively new and not necessarily in the WW "Inner Circle," with somewhat erratic posts.