FBI Opens Investigation into Shooting of Michael Brown

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by nol

In the meantime, continue trying to obfuscate the truth.

Blah blah blah.

Crying poor poor pitiful does nothing to address realistic issues such as driver behavior that leads to searches.

Gosh, those oh-so-well-mannered folks in Ferguson would NEVER do anything remotely suspicious. Oh not, not them. Paragons of virtue, simply picked on for no reason. Poor poor pitiful them.

What a steaming load of horseshit.

How about this idea: instead of blaming everything & everyone under the sun & never accepting any personal responsibilty, a little more attention be focused on not raising worse than useless p.o.s. thugs that steal cigars from convenience stores. Or driving on a suspended licenses for that matter. Or is that too much to ask too?

Instead, far more can be accomplished I'm sure by feeding the victimization culture. That's worked well for decades after all.

All this handwringing, it's becoming comical more than anything else. Carry on.

[cuervo72]

I do wonder how many cops have been hired in that period, how many applications there were, and what the makeup of those applications was.

Has anyone mentioned the Jennings PD? Apparently they were disbanded and rebuilt in 2011 due to racial tensions (and...Wilson was part of that force).

ETA: Worth noting that the rebuilt department is still white, but hasn't yet had the same issues. The key seems to be treating the community as a partner, rather than an adversary.

[cartman]

This is interesting. Evidently there is no centralized record keeping of officer involved shootings.

What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings

[nol]

Originally Posted by JonInMiddleGA

Instead, far more can be accomplished I'm sure by feeding the victimization culture. That's worked well for decades after all.

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Playing the victim and deflecting blame hasn't worked for decades. At some point it needs to stop.

The village idiots latched onto the same pseudointelligent talking point which is actually a bunch of meaningless word salad.

What strategy, which has apparently accomplished so much, are you even referring to? It surely can't be nonviolent protest given the paramilitary response that's received in Ferguson. What else could it be - sit around and wait until the 2060s for things to improve because every 100 years an Emancipation Proclamation or a Civil Rights Act comes along?

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by nol

What else could it be - sit around and wait...?

I'm going to guess by your tone that this isn't the strategy currently being employed.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by nol

The village idiots latched onto the same pseudointelligent talking point which is actually a bunch of meaningless word salad.

What strategy, which has apparently accomplished so much, are you even referring to? It surely can't be nonviolent protest given the paramilitary response that's received in Ferguson. What else could it be - sit around and wait until the 2060s for things to improve because every 100 years an Emancipation Proclamation or a Civil Rights Act comes along?

Get out and vote. Get other people out to vote. Convince people to vote for the people you want in power. That's how you get leadership in your town that you want and that represent the things you want.

As for what can be done, I'd start with addressing some of the problems in the community. The high crime levels, lack of Fathers involvement, lack of education, and so on. And when someone does bring that up not calling them an Uncle Tom if they're black or racist if they're white. That would go a lot farther in improving the situation over waiting for white people to wave a magic wand and do whatever it is you think they have the mystical power to do.

I see a lot of complaining and excuses out there. I see almost no solutions. I think sitting around and waiting gets people nowhere. But that's sort of been the approach for awhile now.

[cuervo72]

Woman and children accidentally pulled over at gunpoint by Forney, Texas police | abc13.com

The traffic stop was in response to a 911 caller who had told dispatch four black men were waiving a gun out the window of a beige- or tan-colored Toyota.

The problem: Barbour's car is a burgundy red Nissan Maxima.

Well, they got the black part right at least!

[cuervo72]

Also lolworthy:

Autopsy report: Victor White III shot in the chest, not back | KATC.com | Acadiana-Lafayette, Louisiana

Victor White III, the New Iberia man who State Police said shot and killed himself in March while in custody in the backseat of a sheriff's car, was shot in the chest, according to a report from the Iberia Parish Coroner's Office.

The Iberia Parish Coroner's Office has released only the first page of the autopsy report, which contradicts statements initially made by State Police who said White shot himself in the back while handcuffed in the back of a sheriff's unit.

According to the autopsy, the bullet entered White's chest, then perforated his left lung and heart before exiting his armpit area and lacerating his upper arm.

The report rules White's death a suicide.

State Police issued a release in March that said deputies were called to investigate a fight in the 300 block of Lewis Street and found White was allegedly in possession of narcotics. Deputies handcuffed White and took him to the Sheriff's Office for processing, but said White refused to exit the car when they arrived. State Police also said in their initial report that while the deputy was requesting assistance, White produced a handgun and shot himself once in the back.

Totally believable.

[Groundhog]

Shot himself in the back huh... reminded me of:

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by nol

It surely can't be nonviolent protest given the paramilitary response that's received in Ferguson.

[Toddzilla]

Originally Posted by nol

If only there was some nice and neat math that said vehicles driven by blacks in Ferguson were searched twice as often even though finding contraband was only two-thirds as likely.

Bloomberg - Injustice in Ferguson, Long Before Michael Brown
"The ArchCity Defenders study found that 86 percent of vehicle stops involve a black motorist, even though blacks make up only two-thirds of the population. After being stopped, blacks are twice as likely to be searched, even though searches of blacks discover contraband only two-thirds as often as searches of whites, the study found."


In the meantime, continue trying to obfuscate the truth. Keep insisting that people in St. Louis have no need to make any changes as the city becomes more and more synonymous with urban decay and brain drain.

Well, there's your math motherfucker - what's your chikenshit racist excuse now?

[JonInMiddleGA]

Originally Posted by nol

The village idiots latched onto the same pseudointelligent talking point which is actually a bunch of meaningless word salad.

Not sure what part you find meaningless?

Not constantly crying "oh it's everybody else's fault" at every corner, every turn, every time the sun rises and every time the sun sets?

No no, it can't be about behavior. Or culture. Nope, couldn't be.
Everything wrong in the world is whitey's fault after all.

It surely can't be nonviolent protest given the paramilitary response that's received in Ferguson.

LMAO. Yep. Nothing violent about what happened there, nope. Except for what whitey did of course ... because everything wrong in the world is whitey's fault after all.

[Ben E Lou]

Originally Posted by Toddzilla

Well, there's your math motherfucker - what's your chikenshit racist excuse now?

Over the top. A week.

[Groundhog]

So... has there been any updates on the investigation?

[Desnudo]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

So... has there been any updates on the investigation?

White people don't care. Black people do care. Check back in 500 years.

[sterlingice]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

Shot himself in the back huh... reminded me of:

Sadly, my only real contribution to this thread is to say that I think Loaded Weapon is an underrated parody movie

SI

[Lathum]

I had the first boxing at WAY under 19 pages.

[Matthean]

Iceland grieves after police kill a man for the first time in its history | Public Radio International

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Desnudo

White people don't care. Black people do care. Check back in 500 years.

Every major public official in Missouri has commented on the case. The Governor has almost demanded the officer be arrested. There are 40 FBI agents working it, the President has spoken on it, and the AG for the United States flew out to the town to speak to people and oversee the investigation.

So this idea that no one cares is ridiculous. I wish the 9 year old who was shot multiple times and died in his backyard last weekend in Chicago got a tenth of the resources this death is.

[illinifan999]

6 top use-of-force questions

[NobodyHere]

Originally Posted by Groundhog

So... has there been any updates on the investigation?

Last I heard is that the police released an almost entirely redacted report on the shooting.

Police Reports Shed Little Light on Ferguson Shooting - WSJ

[flounder]

Originally Posted by cartman

This is interesting. Evidently there is no centralized record keeping of officer involved shootings.

What I've Learned from Two Years Collecting Data on Police Killings

The funniest/saddest part about that is that there has been a federal law on the books for 20 years ordering the Atty General to collect this data. It's just been ignored.

[Blackadar]

Originally Posted by NobodyHere

Last I heard is that the police released an almost entirely redacted report on the shooting.

Police Reports Shed Little Light on Ferguson Shooting - WSJ

Oh, it's been a fun few days.

This happened a couple of days ago: At one point tonight, Michael Brown protesters chanted "hands up, don't shoot!" Darren Wilson supporters responded: "Shoot! Shoot! Shoot!" (Wesley Lowery reporting)

Bunch of new revelations about the kind of people one the various police forces around there. I won't post the various links, but they are interesting to see how officers who have been found guilty of misconduct in one jurisdiction don't get prosecuted and then get hired in a nearby jurisdiction. Great system there...more evidence of the Thin Blue Line.

The NYT really put their foot in it again on this case (just like them reporting that all shots came from the front): David D. on Twitter: Here's the 3rd graf from the NYT article on Mike Brown. and the 3rd graf from the RS article on the Boston bomber. http://t.co/BQ5wR6JQT5

Nothing like humanizing a mass murderer while vilifying the guy shot 6 times!

And not directly related, we have the Victor White saga. Coroner rules Victor White death suicide - KLFY News 10 You know, the guy who managed to shoot himself in the front of his chest with his hands handcuffed behind his back in the back of a squad car after being arrested and searched. Yeah, that happened but of course the system ruled he committed suicide so there's nothing to see here, move along.

[Dutch]

Originally Posted by Blackadar

Oh, it's been a fun few days.

This happened a couple of days ago: At one point tonight, Michael Brown protesters chanted "hands up, don't shoot!" Darren Wilson supporters responded: "Shoot! Shoot! Shoot!" (Wesley Lowery reporting)

Bunch of new revelations about the kind of people one the various police forces around there. I won't post the various links, but they are interesting to see how officers who have been found guilty of misconduct in one jurisdiction don't get prosecuted and then get hired in a nearby jurisdiction. Great system there...more evidence of the Thin Blue Line.

The NYT really put their foot in it again on this case (just like them reporting that all shots came from the front): David D. on Twitter: Here's the 3rd graf from the NYT article on Mike Brown. and the 3rd graf from the RS article on the Boston bomber. http://t.co/BQ5wR6JQT5

Nothing like humanizing a mass murderer while vilifying the guy shot 6 times!

And not directly related, we have the Victor White saga. Coroner rules Victor White death suicide - KLFY News 10 You know, the guy who managed to shoot himself in the front of his chest with his hands handcuffed behind his back in the back of a squad car after being arrested and searched. Yeah, that happened but of course the system ruled he committed suicide so there's nothing to see here, move along.

Dramatic. Sad. Lots of words...but this sentence stood out...

State Police cannot comment, saying it's an ongoing investigation.

I'll reserve judgment until this is complete and they can comment.

[Noop]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

Also lolworthy:

Autopsy report: Victor White III shot in the chest, not back | KATC.com | Acadiana-Lafayette, Louisiana



Totally believable.

I truly believe racism is alive and real. I cannot believe people out there believe this story. How is that even possible?

[illinifan999]

Originally Posted by Noop

I truly believe racism is alive and real. I cannot believe people out there believe this story. How is that even possible?

It absolutely is alive and real. It also absolutely goes both ways.

[CraigSca]

And it's worldwide.

[miked]

Originally Posted by Dutch

Dramatic. Sad. Lots of words...but this sentence stood out...



I'll reserve judgment until this is complete and they can comment.

Well, since it happened in March and we are now in September and the report finally came out, maybe they can comment within the year or something. Or I guess whenever they are ready.

[Subby]

NEW :: Audio on CNN right now shows Darren Wilson shot at an unarmed Mike Brown 11 times. 5 from behind. 6 face to face.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 26, 2014

[Subby]

I just hope Wilson's broken eye socket heals up okay.

Oh right.

[RainMaker]

Racism exists but every time a white person wrongs a black person (or vice versa), it doesn't mean it's because they are racist. I think cops would cover up their fuck-ups regardless of the race of the person.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Subby

NEW :: Audio on CNN right now shows Darren Wilson shot at an unarmed Mike Brown 11 times. 5 from behind. 6 face to face.

— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) August 26, 2014

Here is the segment.

CNN Plays Alleged Recording of Michael Brown Shooting

Sounds like 11 shots. You can't tell from the audio whether it was in the front or back though.

[DaddyTorgo]

Yeah - where are they getting the front/back thing from?

[RainMaker]

I don't think CNN reported the front/back thing in the audio. Tweet seems like it's from an internet social justice crusader trying to add his thoughts in on it.

[Grammaticus]

Sounds like a series of about six shots. Then about a two second pause, then another 5 shots or so.

[Subby]

Yeah I don't know how they would determine back versus front. I think when the audio first aired on CNN late last night there may have just been some initial speculation that didn't stick.

[cuervo72]

Originally Posted by illinifan999

It absolutely is alive and real. It also absolutely goes both ways.

It may go both ways, but it's a little different when one side holds power over the other, and when being a member of one group is good enough to get you arrested, because you simply are a member of that group.

TV Producer In Beverly Hills For Pre-Emmys Event Arrested For Being Tall, Bald And Black: LAist

In yet another case of "walking while black," a film and TV producer recently told his tale of being held for six hours by Beverly Hills police while attending a pre-Emmys event because he looked like a burglary suspect.

He said he was surrounded by six police cars, then made to sit on the curb. He was handcuffed and searched, then transported to the Beverly Hills station. He was booked, accused taking part in the armed robbery at a Citibank location and couldn't leave without $100,000 bail. He said his car was impounded, he was denied a phone call and wasn't given a very good explanation as to why he was being held.

What was he arrested for? Being a tall, bald, black man.

What Belk says confuses him the most is why the footage from the bank was not reviewed until after multiple requests by Belk, six hours after he was detained and forced to sit on the curb. The footage showed that it was a different tall, bald, black man, and Belk was free to go.

"If it can happen to me," Belk wrote, "it can happen to anyone. Time has come for a change in the way our law enforcement officers 'serve and protect' us. We all do not fit the description."

(longer story and his full FB writeup at the h/t link)

[Noop]

Originally Posted by cuervo72

It may go both ways, but it's a little different when one side holds power over the other, and when being a member of one group is good enough to get you arrested, because you simply are a member of that group.

TV Producer In Beverly Hills For Pre-Emmys Event Arrested For Being Tall, Bald And Black: LAist







(longer story and his full FB writeup at the h/t link)

[Buccaneer]

What is the threshold percentage of any group that is considered bad before it becomes acceptable to consider the whole group bad?

Personally, I don't see how is this not manslaughter and I fear the consequences if not charged as such. But I also consider the shooting of that 11 year old girl as well as the 9 year old this past weekend as manslaughter as well. You talk about a group with the power lethally preying upon innocents but I would also include the violent gangs as well with their black market weaponries.

[JPhillips]

When will black people talk about their own communities?

Al Sharpton at the funeralof Michael Brown:

Blackness was never surrendering our pursuit of excellence. It was when it was against the law to go to some schools, we built black colleges and learned anyhow. When we couldn't go downtown to church we built our own AME church, and our church of God and Christ. We never surrendered, we never gave up, and now we get to the 21st century, we get to where we got some positions of power. And you decide it ain't black no more to be successful. Now you wanna be a nigga and call your woman a ho, you lost where you come from.

We've got to clean up our community so we can clean up the United States of America! Rev. Al, you don't understand what they doin' to us. I understand. But I understand that nobody gonna help us if we don't help ourselves. Sitting around feeling sorry for ourselves won't solve our problems. Sitting around having ghetto pity parties rather than organizing and strategizing and putting our differences aside. Yes, we got young and old. Yes, we got things that we don't like about each other, but it's bigger than our egos. It's bigger than everybody. We need everybody because I'm gonna tell you, I don't care how much money you got, I don't care what position you hold. I don't care how much education you got. If we can't protect a child walking down the street in Ferguson, and protect him, and bring justice, all you got don't matter to nobody but you!

[Noop]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

When will black people talk about their own communities?

Al Sharpton at the funeralof Michael Brown:

To answer that question is to be prepared to hear tired and rehashed arguments. In my own personal life I have spoken against gang violence and this "hood" way of life. I have seen first hand what happens when someone tries to keep it hood.

I wish I could say the problem is as simple as tell them to stop acting like animals and maybe white society will accept them and be more sympathetic to their plights. However, a close analysis of the black situation produces questions that need answers. For example, there is a tremendous amount of illegal assault rifles in the ghettos of America and my question is this: How do these poor people get access to these assault rifles?

Another question is if cocaine or marijuana is not predominantly produced in the ghetto how do these products happen to find their way into the hands of these poor people? Last time I checked I have never seen fields of coco plants or weeds in the ghetto.

Another question I have is why do some many black children have behavioral issues. Are those issues a result of their fathers not being home or is it something genetic? Why is it that I was able to go to law school while my brother went to jail?

I am rambling but the point is there is no simple question. My sincere hope is to one day be able to give to my community the opportunity to get an education by offering to pay kids to go to trade school.

I digress.

[Noop]

I also want to add that Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are part of the problem as well. They do not care about the black community because if they did they would be promoting the building of a black community.

Black people (poor or rich) do not shop at black owned businesses unlike other groups of people in this country (i.e. the Chinese or Jewish people).

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Buccaneer

What is the threshold percentage of any group that is considered bad before it becomes acceptable to consider the whole group bad?

If that's what you're taught and with confirmation bias, I would say that number is 0%.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by Noop

I wish I could say the problem is as simple as tell them to stop acting like animals and maybe white society will accept them and be more sympathetic to their plights. However, a close analysis of the black situation produces questions that need answers. For example, there is a tremendous amount of illegal assault rifles in the ghettos of America and my question is this: How do these poor people get access to these assault rifles?

Another question is if cocaine or marijuana is not predominantly produced in the ghetto how do these products happen to find their way into the hands of these poor people? Last time I checked I have never seen fields of coco plants or weeds in the ghetto.

Well, I'd say a suburbanite, in a nice home, would be less likely to jeopardize their entire lives for the quick money of drug dealing (as with all things, there are certainly exceptions). Who's the ideal candidate for drug dealing? The person who has "no future", no education and therefore would have no problem jeopardizing "nothing" for the quick money. Therefore, the drugs naturally funnel their way to those neighborhoods.

Assault rifles - are you sure it's the poor that have them, or is it the drug dealer who has access to the cash? I have no idea, personally, but you would think logically, if you're poor and can barely afford food/housing, why on earth would you be buying an assault rifle?

I have my own opinion on Dads and their impact on society - I think their importance has been minimized, but I think both sexes bring characteristics to the table that form a normal, healthy individual (again, the caveat that there are both bad fathers and mothers who probably do potentially more harm by being in the picture).

[Noop]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

I have my own opinion on Dads and their impact on society - I think their importance has been minimized, but I think both sexes bring characteristics to the table that form a normal, healthy individual (again, the caveat that there are both bad fathers and mothers who probably do potentially more harm by being in the picture).

I think having a father in their life (provided he is not a dumbass) will go along way to mitigating some of these issues.

[Arles]

I think the best practical thing the black community can do to improve this issue is to setup as many black college scholarships as possible. If you are an African American and have made a bunch of money, that should be your number one goal when it comes to donations. The more kids go to college = the more stable black families who live in the suburbs = the less hassle by cops in that area. If the "expected" black rate in a nice area goes from 10-15% to 30-35%, there will be less and less of a reason to profile. Then, as time passes, cops will be replaced by more open minded people (including the kids of those minorities that moved in).

To achieve this, you have so many minority academic scholarships to college for major inner city areas that if you can get a good GPA, you can get one. I'm sure the right would hem and haw about how unfair that is and how their white kid has a 3.5 GPA and didn't get a scholarship but a black kid with a 3.0 GPA did, but you have to look at the bigger picture. A program like this on a grand scale could finally tip the scales to allow more opportunity for minorities and more minorities leaving the ghetto to the point to where may even some "ghetto" areas end up getting a facelift because there just aren't enough lower income people left to justify it. Now, that's not going to happen to Detroit, Chicago or St. Louis overnight, but if you are a high school kid and you know if you can just pull a 3.0-3.5 GPA - you have a great chance at a scholarship. I think suddenly college becomes a more realistic dream and some kids/families will push it more. When you are in a single parent home with a mom that works two jobs to provide food and clothes, $20K a year in college costs is a pipe dream - even with some access to student loans.

[lighthousekeeper]

Originally Posted by CraigSca

If that's what you're taught and with confirmation bias, I would say that number is 0%.

well technically, in order to have confirmation bias, you'd at least need >0%

[Blackadar]

I think I might kill someone if I read another article about this shooting that says "a friend of Wilson's said that Brown charged at him" before the shooting. There were no friends of Wilson's at the shooting site. Citing this is trying to put a pro-police spin on any article. CNN and Faux are both horrible about weaving fake "facts" into articles.

[flounder]

Originally Posted by Arles

I think the best practical thing the black community can do to improve this issue is to setup as many black college scholarships as possible.

I think what Georgia has found with the Hope scholarship is that just giving kids access to college isn't enough. They have to be able to handle college level material, and too many of our schools aren't doing a good enough job of preparing them.

[CraigSca]

Originally Posted by lighthousekeeper

well technically, in order to have confirmation bias, you'd at least need >0%

True!