The Biden Presidency - 2020

[flere-imsaho]

And if those cheap Chinese EVs are in part cheap because of the use of what is basically slave labor, you're ok with that? You're OK with rewarding an administration who has been executing a genocidal plan on at least two ethnic groups?

[GrantDawg]

You are only allowed to care about one genocide at a time.

[Kodos]

Well, to be fair, you can’t blame Biden for those genocides.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

And if those cheap Chinese EVs are in part cheap because of the use of what is basically slave labor, you're ok with that? You're OK with rewarding an administration who has been executing a genocidal plan on at least two ethnic groups?

They literally make the battery cells for GM and Ford. The cars are going to be made at their new Mexico plant.

So are you in favor of tariffs on all the car companies or just this specific one that happens to make a better, cheaper EV than anyone in this country? Or if you want to put tariffs on China for their cheap goods, we can likely wipe Walmart and Amazon off the map in a few weeks.

Sure is interesting to see liberals come around on all of Trump's policies. Seems his policies weren't the issue, it was the optics.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Kodos

Well, to be fair, you can’t blame Biden for those genocides.

Yeah, I don't think he's giving tens of billions of our tax dollars to the Chinese.

[flere-imsaho]

You didn't answer my question. So, it would appear you're ok with some genocides, but not others.

[RainMaker]

What's your question? I am opposed to genocide and don't want my tax dollars funding it.

You're really stretching although I get it's impossible to defend Biden at this point.

[JPhillips]

This Red Lobster bankruptcy is everything wrong with hedge fund capitalism. Those fuckers should have to forfeit all of their profits from the jacked up rents.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

This Red Lobster bankruptcy is everything wrong with hedge fund capitalism. Those fuckers should have to forfeit all of their profits from the jacked up rents.

It feels like a weird loophole to just legally embezzle funds from a company.

[Atocep]

Biden will confirm his 200th judge today, which has him ahead of Trump's pace and he has an additional 20-25 lined up for votes.

[Vegas Vic]

Here's an absolutely surreal moment from the past. 52 years ago, President Richard Nixon called Senator Joe Biden to offer his condolences for the tragic loss of Biden's wife and daughter in an automobile accident.

[JPhillips]

SCOTUS basically killed the whole idea of racial gerrymandering today. We'll see a lot of red state redistricting after the election to further disenfranchise minority voters.

[flere-imsaho]

24 years later, Karl Rove's dream of a permanent GOP majority comes closer to fruition. Of course these days both he and Bush wouldn't even get a GOP nomination for dog catcher due to a lack of purity.

[JPhillips]

Thomas wrote a concurrence to the racial gerrymandering decision and made it clear that Brown v Board of Education was an abuse of the power of the court.

These fuckwits may not be exactly for segregation but there really are a lot of folks who believe people should have the right to segregate if they choose.

[RainMaker]

He's going to get around to making his own marriage illegal soon.

[flere-imsaho]

Like most authoritarians I would imagine Thomas thinks that marriages like his should not, in fact, be legal, but at the same time believes he should/would be given an exception because of how responsible and right-thinking he is. Rules apply to other people, people to whom rules need to apply.

See also: lack of ethics rules for SCOTUS.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

Rules apply to other people, people to whom rules need to apply.

See also: abortion

Rules set by my part are meant for the other party.

[flere-imsaho]

Democrats can't be trusted to have abortions for the right reasons, basically.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by JPhillips

SCOTUS basically killed the whole idea of racial gerrymandering today. We'll see a lot of red state redistricting after the election to further disenfranchise minority voters.

You mean Clarence Thomas. Of all the people, this man is nothing but a pawn of rich white men. I'm pretty sure that SLJ was channeling him in Django.

[RainMaker]

I think that's a simplistic and slightly racist view of Thomas. He knows precisely what he's doing and precisely what power and leverage he has. He's not a pawn, just selling a valuable service.

[NobodyHere]

Senator blasts federal parks officials for reportedly barring American flags in beloved national park

National Park Service denies ordering removal of American flag at Denali National Park

So can we say that this was a "false flag" story?

[flere-imsaho]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

I think that's a simplistic and slightly racist view of Thomas. He knows precisely what he's doing and precisely what power and leverage he has. He's not a pawn, just selling a valuable service.

He's a very bitter and angry old man out to get revenge on parts of society he feels have wronged him, and that just happens to align with the interests of rich right-wingers.

[SirFozzie]

Tell me again that Trump is better for Palestine than Biden. Please.

Trump tells donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests if re-elected | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Tell me again that Trump is better for Palestine than Biden. Please.

Trump tells donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests if re-elected | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

There isn't a dem with a realistic path to the White House any time soon that would have handled the Gaza situation any differently.

Trump, on the other hand, has been adamant about Israel being thorough and finishing the job while nearly the entire GOP has disdain for Muslims. Trump has also talked about deporting anyone protesting on Palestine's behalf. But yeah, same.

[PilotMan]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

He's a very bitter and angry old man out to get revenge on parts of society he feels have wronged him, and that just happens to align with the interests of rich right-wingers.

He's willing to carry the water of white men on behalf of black men everywhere. He is who he is.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by SirFozzie

Tell me again that Trump is better for Palestine than Biden. Please.

Trump tells donors he will crush pro-Palestinian protests if re-elected | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

Biden is actively doing this.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

Biden is actively doing this.

I didn't realize Biden was calling in the national guard, deporting protestors, and setting the movement back 25-30 years.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

He's a very bitter and angry old man out to get revenge on parts of society he feels have wronged him, and that just happens to align with the interests of rich right-wingers.

Not really. He probably has the most realistic view of America out of any of the folks on the court. He knows it's all a sham. It's why he doesn't even bother to ask questions or even listen. The decisions were decided before anyone stepped into court and this is all a show. He's the only one willing to not go along with the charade.

Thomas is a strange guy though. He's actually hugely influenced by Malcolm X and other black nationalists during the Civil Rights Era. He believes in all the BLM stuff and white supremacy. He is an afro-pessimist in a a way. He grew up in Jim Crow south where people were outright racist to him because of his skin color. He went to school up north and found a different type of racism (liberal racism) similar to what you see from people like PilotMan. In the end, he believes that it's a country built around white supremacy and there is nothing you can really do to change that.

I don't think he's doing anyone's "bidding". He's a sort of libertarian and believes that the government can't legislate away white supremacy. That the best hope for black people is through capitalism (and in some cases segregation). And he understands SCOTUS and all this crap is a sham and uses it to enrich himself. It's no different than what Kavanaugh, Alito, or others are doing. He's just more open about it and being black, it upsets certain white liberals who feel his skin color should make him subservient to them.

The Enigma of Clarence Thomas is a really good book if anyone cares to learn about the guy. He's a horrible person but his beliefs are more than some racist stereotype. He's wrote extensively on black nationalism when he was younger and you can see how that makes him who he is today.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

I didn't realize Biden was calling in the national guard, deporting protestors, and setting the movement back 25-30 years.

They hold the same positions and will do whatever Israel tells them to do. You don't have an issue with Trump's stance (which is nearly identical to Biden's), you just don't like his optics.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They hold the same positions and will do whatever Israel tells them to do. You don't have an issue with Trump's stance (which is nearly identical to Biden's), you just don't like his optics.

This is a peak example of how you refuse to see the differences between to people because you dislike Biden so much.

Biden isn't actively doing what Trump has said he would do. Their stances aren't the same on a fundamental or any other level. One wants to send the national guard in to crush protests, deport protestors, has encouraged Israel to flatten Gaza to finish the job quickly and has said they need to be thorough about it. He also wants Israel to destroy Palestine and absorb it.

The other has done none of those things and has pushed for a 2 state solution.

But they're the same because you don't agree with either.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

This is a peak example of how you refuse to see the differences between to people because you dislike Biden so much.

Biden isn't actively doing what Trump has said he would do. Their stances aren't the same on a fundamental or any other level. One wants to send the national guard in to crush protests, deport protestors, has encouraged Israel to flatten Gaza to finish the job quickly and has said they need to be thorough about it. He also wants Israel to destroy Palestine and absorb it.

The other has done none of those things and has pushed for a 2 state solution.

But they're the same because you don't agree with either.

They hold the same position on Israel. Biden fully supports the destruction of Gaza. He is fine with the deaths of innocent women and children. Heck, there's a speech he made in the Senate in the 80's where he said it was acceptable for Israel to kill women and children. It was so demented that Begin, who was a psychopath, was like "chill out Joe".

Sorry, but they're both hardcore zionists with a long track record of hating Muslims. The idea that one of them will "genocide harder" or whatever you're implying is silly. They'll both let Israel do whatever the fuck they want.

[RainMaker]

The biggest difference is that if Trump wins, a bunch of you can now pretend you are opposed to genocide.

[Atocep]

Originally Posted by RainMaker

They hold the same position on Israel. Biden fully supports the destruction of Gaza. He is fine with the deaths of innocent women and children. Heck, there's a speech he made in the Senate in the 80's where he said it was acceptable for Israel to kill women and children. It was so demented that Begin, who was a psychopath, was like "chill out Joe".

Sorry, but they're both hardcore zionists with a long track record of hating Muslims. The idea that one of them will "genocide harder" or whatever you're implying is silly. They'll both let Israel do whatever the fuck they want.

Equating Trump to Biden on Israel, again, shows you are unable to separate two things you don't agree with it. Name a realistic presidential candidate that would do anything differently than what Bidens done.

I guess understanding nuance puts me in the pro genocide group. It must be a wonderful existence to see everything so clearly and be morally righteous.

[Kodos]

RM makes me understand why so many people hate the far left.

[GrantDawg]

RM wants the total destruction of Israel "from river to the sea" and anything short of that makes you evil. So any leader that doesn't call for Israel's complete surrender is a Nazi.

[larrymcg421]

He doesn't want that. This is just his new thing. This is the same guy who accused me once of "white knighting" Muslims for arguing they shouldn't all be painted with the same brush after a terrorist attack.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Equating Trump to Biden on Israel, again, shows you are unable to separate two things you don't agree with it. Name a realistic presidential candidate that would do anything differently than what Bidens done.

I guess understanding nuance puts me in the pro genocide group. It must be a wonderful existence to see everything so clearly and be morally righteous.

They literally have the same stance on Israel. Biden has been a proud zionist for decades. Like I said, you can go back and find where he gave a speech talking about how Israel should kill women and children. This is not a new thing.

And plenty of Presidents have stood up. Reagan refused to send fighter jets and withheld aid when Israel started massacring civilians in Beirut. HW withheld loan guarantees when settlers were killing and stealing land. Clinton pressured Israel into a peace plan by withholding investments. Obama and Israel probably had the worst relationship of any US President in some time.


Just because Biden is incredibly weak, doesn't mean other Presidents were too.

[RainMaker]

Originally Posted by Kodos

RM makes me understand why so many people hate the far left.

When did opposing genocide become a "far left" position? If you look at polls, most people oppose it. It's you who is taking the extremist position.

Originally Posted by GrantDawg

RM wants the total destruction of Israel "from river to the sea" and anything short of that makes you evil. So any leader that doesn't call for Israel's complete surrender is a Nazi.

No, I just want them to stop committing genocide and other war crimes. I want them to stop keeping people in concentration camps.

The fact you have to distort that position because you are too cowardly to just say you support the genocide is pathetic. Grow a pair.

[flere-imsaho]

I think maybe a lot of people aren't into your schtick anymore, RM.

[RainMaker]

I think you've run out of ways to defend a genocide without sounding like a sociopath. Just pretend it's not happening and all the polls are wrong too.

[RainMaker]

Complete and utter incompetence.

US pier constructed off Gaza has broken apart | CNN Politics

[molson]

Originally Posted by flere-imsaho

I think maybe a lot of people aren't into your schtick anymore, RM.

He has completely taken over the board and it's a bummer.

I stopped engaging with him years ago, I think more should try it. There's zero point in engaging with him.

[Flasch186]

I can’t imagine what an energy suck it would’ve been in my life if I’d have allowed he and the other guy to continue to suck the energy from me.

While fofc is far less enjoyable or even visited by me anymore

My life is better

And that’s a shame that mods let it get that way


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[Atocep]

Anyone following what's going on in Texas politics?

Ken Paxton and company were trying to oust the state house speaker for supporting Paxton's impeachment. David Covey had endorsements from Trump, Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick. He unexpectedly lost by 400 votes and Paxton is claiming Phelan, the house speaker, blatantly stole the election by getting dem votes.

Additionally, the state will considering a bill that would require anyone running for statewide office to win the majority of the counties in their district, not just the overal majority, in order to win an election. A blatant attempt at blocking all dems from ever winning a statewide race in Texas.

[larrymcg421]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Anyone following what's going on in Texas politics?

Ken Paxton and company were trying to oust the state house speaker for supporting Paxton's impeachment. David Covey had endorsements from Trump, Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick. He unexpectedly lost by 400 votes and Paxton is claiming Phelan, the house speaker, blatantly stole the election by getting dem votes.

Additionally, the state will considering a bill that would require anyone running for statewide office to win the majority of the counties in their district, not just the overal majority, in order to win an election. A blatant attempt at blocking all dems from ever winning a statewide race in Texas.

That last part clearly violates Baker v. Carr/Reynolds v. Sims. While Alito/Thomas would love to rid of those decisions, I don't think the rest of the court will go along with that.

[Passacaglia]

Originally Posted by Atocep

Anyone following what's going on in Texas politics?

Ken Paxton and company were trying to oust the state house speaker for supporting Paxton's impeachment. David Covey had endorsements from Trump, Abbott, Paxton, and Patrick. He unexpectedly lost by 400 votes and Paxton is claiming Phelan, the house speaker, blatantly stole the election by getting dem votes.

Additionally, the state will considering a bill that would require anyone running for statewide office to win the majority of the counties in their district, not just the overal majority, in order to win an election. A blatant attempt at blocking all dems from ever winning a statewide race in Texas.

Why does a district matter if it's for a statewide office?

Are you saying someone has to win the overall vote AND the majority of the counties? What happens if no one does that?

[bhlloy]

Originally Posted by Flasch186

I can’t imagine what an energy suck it would’ve been in my life if I’d have allowed he and the other guy to continue to suck the energy from me.

While fofc is far less enjoyable or even visited by me anymore

My life is better

And that’s a shame that mods let it get that way


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This, two posters have basically ruined the board.

My crazy theory is actually these two posters are the same person trolling FOFC for fun, maybe even a permabanned user from the distant past?

[GrantDawg]

Originally Posted by Passacaglia

Why does a district matter if it's for a statewide office?

Are you saying someone has to win the overall vote AND the majority of the counties? What happens if no one does that?

Run off till the Republican wins. A Democrat could conceivably win a majority of votes, but there is zero chance they could win a majority of counties in Texas.


Edit: Just as a for instance, Beto won 19 counties out 254 for Governor in the last election. He won the most populated counties, but many counties that have fewer people than the average subdivision in Houston went 80-90% Republican.

[Edward64]

One poster does not initiate attacks, only respond in kind, and can be ignored quite easily

[Thomkal]

heh Joe Manchin is no longer a Democrat. He is now an Independent as he might run for Governor of West Virginia.


https://wvmetronews.com/2024/05/31/m...n-independent/