Confessions of a former NFL Agent - Page 2

MrBug708 · 10-13-2010, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

This is mostly funny due to the UCLA fans that are going have to shut their mouths when they speak of USCs allegations...

Why would we need to shut our mouths? Or do you actually believe the Dog Killer?

DanGarion · 10-13-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Why would we need to shut our mouths? Or do you actually believe the Dog Killer?

Honestly I don't know what you are talking about, who is a dog killer? The reason UCLA should shut their mouths is the fact that their players were mentioned the most. Just because the NCAA can't penalize you because it's past the time of doing it, doesn't mean you guys are any more innocent than USC.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2010, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Honestly I don't know what you are talking about, who is a dog killer? The reason UCLA should shut their mouths is the fact that their players were mentioned the most. Just because the NCAA can't penalize you because it's past the time of doing it, doesn't mean you guys are any more innocent than USC.

The coach at USC who lied to the NCAA and has a conviction for animal abuse related to dogfighting. Sure there players were mentioned and I'm sure they took money from the agents, but what does that change about Reggie Bush and his relationships with those agents and Todd McNair? Did Fuchs mention a UCLA coach involved with his connections to UCLA players?

Chief Rum · 10-14-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Honestly I don't know what you are talking about, who is a dog killer? The reason UCLA should shut their mouths is the fact that their players were mentioned the most. Just because the NCAA can't penalize you because it's past the time of doing it, doesn't mean you guys are any more innocent than USC.

No school is innocent. The specifics revealed is news, but that it's happening is not.

No transgressions I have yet read about come close to the level of what Bush and fam were getting.

And in any case, there was so much more going on at USC and everyone around the program knows it. Bush and Mayo was just what the NCAA could really push. But they knew about the other stuff, things like SUV-gate and Jarrett's amazingly rent-free stay at USC and so forth.

No matter what school I support, I can still call a spade is a spade.

jbergey22 · 10-14-2010, 12:49 AM

I think the NCAA is going to realize that they wont be able to come down on all of these programs or there wont be any teams to watch.

It seems pretty stupid to me that they come down hard on certain programs when it seems all of them cheat.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2010, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jbergey22

I think the NCAA is going to realize that they wont be able to come down on all of these programs or there wont be any teams to watch.

It seems pretty stupid to me that they come down hard on certain programs when it seems all of them cheat.

How many programs have told the NCAA to go fuck themselves?

Groundhog · 10-14-2010, 01:03 AM

More food for thought than anything really, but can anyone picture a future where college sports (as a path to the pros) is replaced by sports academies similar to what we have in Australia and in Europe, that don't need to pretend to be about academics? Just get all the best of the best together, train them as much as they want too, recruit them however they like, pay them whatever they like.

I couldn't see college sports ever dying out, but I think something along the lines of "USC Sports Academy" is at least a semi-realistic outcome if the schools decide to tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves.

MrBug708 · 10-14-2010, 01:07 AM

Too much money in how it is now

BishopMVP · 10-14-2010, 08:57 PM

Never going to happen - too much money and cache tied up in the schools. The University of Texas or Notre Dame derive so much of their prestige from their athletic (mainly football) programs that they and their alums would never give it up. You could switch the entire rosters of Nebraska, Alabama, etc to minor league teams in Omaha, Birmingham, etc and you wouldn't get one tenth of the attention or revenue.

Plus for all its faults the NCAA has shown a willingness to adapt when its dominance is threatened. The two sports that have seen a strong competing model are soccer and hockey, and in both the NCAA has made significant concessions. For hockey the NCAA reacted to losing so many kids to Junior A that they extended the season to nearly the entire school year (started last weekend, ends after the basketball Final Four) and in soccer - the more precarious of the two because of the international aspect - they just changed the rules to allow players to play in games with/against professionals without losing eligibility (as they still do in basketball iirc).

There may be a high number of college presidents and people on the academic side that want college sports returned to the non-scholarship D3/Ivy model, but there are too many boosters, alums and power players who realized what they have to lose that won't allow the golden goose to be killed.

DanGarion · 10-15-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

No matter what school I support, I can still call a spade is a spade.

I guess I can call you a spade too.

Chief Rum · 10-15-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

I guess I can call you a spade too.

That's your prerogative, but that doesn't mean your school ain't dirty as he'll, nor does it mean I am wrong to point it out. Sorry u feel so persecuted, mr. Live on the hog for 10 years, but u reap what u sow.

DanGarion · 10-15-2010, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Rum

That's your prerogative, but that doesn't mean your school ain't dirty as he'll, nor does it mean I am wrong to point it out. Sorry u feel so persecuted, mr. Live on the hog for 10 years, but u reap what u sow.

Just because you guys haven't been caught doing the same shit doesn't mean UCLA is any better. We all know it's happening everywhere, UCLA isn't any holier than the rest, they just play football shittier.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2010, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

Just because you guys haven't been caught doing the same shit doesn't mean UCLA is any better. We all know it's happening everywhere, UCLA isn't any holier than the rest, they just play football shittier.

Just because a lot of guys cheat on their wives, doesnt mean any guy who hasnt been caught, does

DanGarion · 10-15-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Just because a lot of guys cheat on their wives, doesnt mean any guy who hasnt been caught, does

You both are delusional if you think UCLA is a clean program.

MrBug708 · 10-15-2010, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DanGarion

You both are delusional if you think UCLA is a clean program.

Kinda like we were delusional that USC had some funny business going on a few years back?

You're not hearing too many stories like players living rent free, driving around in a brand new car, partying with an assistant coach and an agent and lying about it to the NCAA, getting cash from the basketball coach et al...

RedKingGold · 10-15-2010, 11:50 PM

As a neutral party, I believe any UCLA fan is delusional if they think the UCLA program (or any major college football program) is completely squeaky clean.

I am a Penn State fan, and I believe if people dug deep enough, they would see shady stuff going on underneath the Coke Bottle glasses.

MrBug708 · 10-16-2010, 02:13 AM

I guess it depends on what is clean. Agents running around the program? Movie stars on the sidelines? Or a recruiting violation that happens one minute too late?

10-14-2010, 01:03 AM	#57
Groundhog Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Sydney, Australia	More food for thought than anything really, but can anyone picture a future where college sports (as a path to the pros) is replaced by sports academies similar to what we have in Australia and in Europe, that don't need to pretend to be about academics? Just get all the best of the best together, train them as much as they want too, recruit them however they like, pay them whatever they like. I couldn't see college sports ever dying out, but I think something along the lines of "USC Sports Academy" is at least a semi-realistic outcome if the schools decide to tell the NCAA to go fuck themselves. __________________ Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. --Ambrose Bierce

10-15-2010, 11:50 PM	#66
RedKingGold College Starter Join Date: Oct 2002	As a neutral party, I believe any UCLA fan is delusional if they think the UCLA program (or any major college football program) is completely squeaky clean. I am a Penn State fan, and I believe if people dug deep enough, they would see shady stuff going on underneath the Coke Bottle glasses. Last edited by RedKingGold : 10-15-2010 at 11:51 PM.

10-14-2010, 12:49 AM	#55
jbergey22 Grizzled Veteran Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Minnesota	I think the NCAA is going to realize that they wont be able to come down on all of these programs or there wont be any teams to watch. It seems pretty stupid to me that they come down hard on certain programs when it seems all of them cheat.

10-14-2010, 01:07 AM	#58
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Too much money in how it is now

10-14-2010, 08:57 PM	#59
BishopMVP Coordinator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Concord, MA/UMass	Never going to happen - too much money and cache tied up in the schools. The University of Texas or Notre Dame derive so much of their prestige from their athletic (mainly football) programs that they and their alums would never give it up. You could switch the entire rosters of Nebraska, Alabama, etc to minor league teams in Omaha, Birmingham, etc and you wouldn't get one tenth of the attention or revenue. Plus for all its faults the NCAA has shown a willingness to adapt when its dominance is threatened. The two sports that have seen a strong competing model are soccer and hockey, and in both the NCAA has made significant concessions. For hockey the NCAA reacted to losing so many kids to Junior A that they extended the season to nearly the entire school year (started last weekend, ends after the basketball Final Four) and in soccer - the more precarious of the two because of the international aspect - they just changed the rules to allow players to play in games with/against professionals without losing eligibility (as they still do in basketball iirc). There may be a high number of college presidents and people on the academic side that want college sports returned to the non-scholarship D3/Ivy model, but there are too many boosters, alums and power players who realized what they have to lose that won't allow the golden goose to be killed.

10-16-2010, 02:13 AM	#67
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	I guess it depends on what is clean. Agents running around the program? Movie stars on the sidelines? Or a recruiting violation that happens one minute too late?

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