Let The (NBA Finals) Games Begin - Page 2

Fouts · 06-06-2004, 11:00 PM

Mutumbo = Ben Wallace, Iverson = Hamilton + Billups

DeToxRox · 06-06-2004, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

Well F U too

I am not trying to start some stupid internet flame war, I am just stating that for me personally, your logic is flawed if you can only judge teams on the past, because there are a lot of good teams in the present who are turning it around but you're not seeing that.

MrBug708 · 06-06-2004, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DeToxRoxDVHStyle

I am not trying to start some stupid internet flame war, I am just stating that for me personally, your logic is flawed if you can only judge teams on the past, because there are a lot of good teams in the present who are turning it around but you're not seeing that.

ok...and this is coming from?

JeeberD · 06-06-2004, 11:11 PM

Tonight's game made me happy...

The_herd · 06-06-2004, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JeeberD

Tonight's game made me happy...

It made me forget how bad work actually is.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-07-2004, 01:34 AM

Excellent! Very good to see. It's interesting, the "game recap" on ESPN doesn't once mention any Piston. Basically it just goes on to talk about how poorly the Lakers (besides Kobe and Shaq) played. Well, no reason to fret over that.

Sharpieman · 06-07-2004, 02:29 AM

Hopefully the Pistons don't turn out to play like philly did. The Lakers are a great team and I wouldn't be surprised if they win 3 in a row. I doubt they could run the table on the Pistons. Detroit is a way better team than Philly was. Thr 76ers only had Iverson and Snow basically, and didn't much of a inside game. Hopefully the Pistons can pull it out and I can see all the Laker fans cry.

ice4277 · 06-07-2004, 04:52 AM

Good win for the Pistons. They executed very well on defense and hit the shots they needed to hit. However, they were a little sloppy, especially in the first half, and I don't think they can get away again with making some of the mistakes they made. This was the game they needed to get to make a series out of it, and they came through.

korme · 06-07-2004, 01:29 PM

Sharpieman! Watch out!

rkmsuf · 06-07-2004, 01:32 PM

what a shocking lack of effort last night by the Fakers. Unbeleivable. It's amazing not show up for the opening game of the finals.

Neuqua · 06-07-2004, 03:53 PM

How come everytime the Lakers lose its only because they gave a lack of effort?

Give Detroit its proper due, they took care of business where a lot of people did not think they could (in LA.)

LionsFan10 · 06-07-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Neuqua

How come everytime the Lakers lose its only because they gave a lack of effort?

Give Detroit its proper due, they took care of business where a lot of people did not think they could (in LA.)

I completely agree with this, it seems like no matter how good the opposing team plays the "Fakers" (nice name, rkmsuf

) the only reason the Lakers lose is because a "lack of effort." Bullshit, the Pistons played them well, turned the ball over a billion times and the Lakers still couldn't manage to put them away. The Pistons didn't play pretty basketball by any stretch of the word last night either, turnovers were a huge problem and Rip didn't have the game he should have had, but that doesn't mean that the Pistons won simply because the Lakers decided they weren't going to try, please.

Honolulu_Blue · 06-08-2004, 12:54 PM

A nice quote from the Sports Guy, a renowned Pro-NBA/Anti-NHL guy for years...

Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/040608

But it could happen. If the Lakers blow the title, it would have to rank among the most curious collapses in recent sports history: An obviously superior team that fell short because they didn't want it enough. Contrast that to the emotional scene in Tampa Bay last night, as the Lightning held off the underdog Flames in seven, both teams leaving everything they had on the ice. After the game, an exhausted Martin St. Louis was interviewed by one of the sideline reporters, two fresh gashes covering his face, looking like he had just been run over by Billy Joel. It was a stark contrast from Game 1 of the NBA Finals the night before, the Lakers trying to win a title without breaking a sweat.

And as Dave Andreychuk carried the cup around, screaming with delight at the end of a 22-year odyssey, I couldn't help thinking about the difference between him and Malone and Payton -- three guys at the same point of their careers, one of them reaching the promised land on his own terms, the other two guys looking like they just want the season to end.

I still think the Lakers win in six ... but for the first time in years, I already find myself missing the NHL playoffs. At least those guys cared.

rkmsuf · 06-08-2004, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LionsFan10

I completely agree with this, it seems like no matter how good the opposing team plays the "Fakers" (nice name, rkmsuf

) the only reason the Lakers lose is because a "lack of effort." Bullshit, the Pistons played them well, turned the ball over a billion times and the Lakers still couldn't manage to put them away. The Pistons didn't play pretty basketball by any stretch of the word last night either, turnovers were a huge problem and Rip didn't have the game he should have had, but that doesn't mean that the Pistons won simply because the Lakers decided they weren't going to try, please.

Not the only reason but it was a factor. The Lakers put zero effort into moving the ball and for a Finals game their intensity was shameful. Detroit deserves credit but by no means got a maximum effort out of LA.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rkmsuf

Not the only reason but it was a factor. The Lakers put zero effort into moving the ball and for a Finals game their intensity was shameful. Detroit deserves credit but by no means got a maximum effort out of LA.

I dunno, Larry Brown was quoted during the game as saying that the Lakers weren't guarding anyone, so I'd say that's a lack of effort. Of course, I'm assuming he is talking about everyone BUT Kobe.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 09:57 PM

Where is the bump at? It's a good game

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 10:02 PM

Good game indeed, I agree. I kept checking here looking for this thread.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 10:03 PM

Two quick 3's and Luke Walton is playing?!?

It's always someone....

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 10:04 PM

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 10:10 PM

Luke Walton is the "energy" player for the Lakers tonight, he's gotten some minutes and now Phil is turning to him to "spark" the rest of the team. Phil is known for this, he used this same strategy back in '92 when the Bulls were down about 15 to the Blazers going into the fourth qtr. An entire second team came in and pulled off an amazing comeback.

Looks like LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE is the guy he's chosen for this tonight.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 10:13 PM

Britney Spears thinks he's hot FWIW

Anthony · 06-08-2004, 10:21 PM

yeesh, the NBA has to do something about these games ending so late. how are they expecting little kids to stay up for this? this is almost as bad as MNF.

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 10:23 PM

Yeah, I don't know what ABC was thinking there either. When your 8 yr olds role model is on at midnight I guess lil' Johnny is SoL. Bad move.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 10:28 PM

It's only 830 here.

HEre come the scrubs. Kobe, Shaq, Rush, Fisher, and Walton!

Suicane75 · 06-08-2004, 10:37 PM

Im happy I was wrong, this could be a great series.

DeToxRox · 06-08-2004, 10:49 PM

This is insanity. Detroit keeps plugging away. I am in shock.

DeToxRox · 06-08-2004, 10:51 PM

what a rebound by the best defensive player in the NBA, no matter what the voters said this year.

sooner333 · 06-08-2004, 10:57 PM

Cluth shot by Kobe...damn.

MikeVic · 06-08-2004, 10:57 PM

Damn Kobe. heh.

DeToxRox · 06-08-2004, 10:57 PM

huge shot. this is damn good bball.

LloydLungs · 06-08-2004, 10:58 PM

Seriously, did anyone think there was even a SLIGHT chance that wasn't going in?

Vince · 06-08-2004, 10:58 PM

Wow. That was a fantastic shot...but what was Rip doing stepping back? Not that he gave him a lot of room...

korme · 06-08-2004, 11:06 PM

first of all, 89-89 at the end of regulation?? PISTONS?

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 11:07 PM

This one's all but over, but great game by both teams. Pistons gave this one away, it should've been theirs.

Vince · 06-08-2004, 11:11 PM

Luke Walton is now officially my hero.

korme · 06-08-2004, 11:11 PM

man, let it slip away

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:14 PM

How can anyone doubt Kobe as the best non Post player in the NBA? Sad to see him on the Suns/Clips/Bobcats next year....

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:14 PM

Dola

Rasheed, Deja Vu of the 2000 game, watching Shaq slam it home to seal a key game?

korme · 06-08-2004, 11:14 PM

bobcats, lol

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 11:18 PM

Bug, you really think Kobe is gone after this year? I thought he said he'd like to stay, but I might be wrong.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:23 PM

It's just media speak right now, so who knows. I couldn't imagine anyone not stopping to hear the chants of love the city of LA has for a person, the way Kobe is in this town. I know he wants to be the biggest person on a franchise and he'll never be "the biggest" on the Lakers. But the Lakers is where he's been and where he'll get paid the most money to be on. We shall see I guess

I hope Neuqua is crying

Vince · 06-08-2004, 11:26 PM

Shaq's getting old, right? Kobe's not all that old, right? Couldn't the Lakers EVENTUALLY be Kobe's team?

kingfc22 · 06-08-2004, 11:26 PM

Kobe. Kobe. Kobe. Damn that guy can play.

rexallllsc · 06-08-2004, 11:27 PM

Where is druez? Still think McGrady > Kobe?

Heh.

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:27 PM

It's not so much the fact Kobe wants to be the leader of the team, I think he wants to be the name you think o when you think of a franchise. When you think Bulls, you think Jordan. I doubt Kobe will be averaging enough points to make everyone forget the likes of Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Wilt, Mikan et al

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rexallllsc

Where is druez? Still think McGrady > Kobe?

Heh.

Fix Fix Fix!

rexallllsc · 06-08-2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBug708

It's not so much the fact Kobe wants to be the leader of the team, I think he wants to be the name you think o when you think of a franchise. When you think Bulls, you think Jordan. I doubt Kobe will be averaging enough points to make everyone forget the likes of Kareem, Magic, Shaq, Wilt, Mikan et al

Well, if he sticks around long enough, he'll have the rings to prove himself.

I think the idea of playing somewhere else sounds great, but in the end, he'll stay.

Just my $.02

MrBug708 · 06-08-2004, 11:39 PM

Outscored 16-2 to end the game. Do you think this will be a pretty big emotional block for the Pistons?

LionsFan10 · 06-08-2004, 11:48 PM

It's hard to judge right now. I think the Pistons know they can beat the Lakers, I mean you figure the game was theirs, it's just Kobe is an AMAZING player and they have never been through that kind of crushing play before, much less in the NBA Finals.

You could see it on their faces after that shot, they were quite deflated. Now, they have to come to Detroit and play three behind just as rabid a fanbase as anything out in LA so their spirits will stay in-tact I think. To me, this was just the first time having something like this happen to them, in a game they thought they had in the bag and they had NO idea how to answer it.

Neuqua · 06-08-2004, 11:50 PM

Kobe made a clutch shot today, an incredible shot no doubt.

But uh, what does that have to do with him becoming the best non-post player in the league because of it?

06-06-2004, 11:11 PM	#54
JeeberD General Manager Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Town of Flower Mound	Tonight's game made me happy... __________________ UTEP Miners!!! I solemnly swear to never cheer for TO

06-07-2004, 02:29 AM	#57
Sharpieman Greatly Missed. (7/11/84-06/12/05) Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Palo Alto, CA	Hopefully the Pistons don't turn out to play like philly did. The Lakers are a great team and I wouldn't be surprised if they win 3 in a row. I doubt they could run the table on the Pistons. Detroit is a way better team than Philly was. Thr 76ers only had Iverson and Snow basically, and didn't much of a inside game. Hopefully the Pistons can pull it out and I can see all the Laker fans cry. __________________ Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

06-07-2004, 01:32 PM	#60
rkmsuf Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2001	what a shocking lack of effort last night by the Fakers. Unbeleivable. It's amazing not show up for the opening game of the finals. __________________ "Don't you have homes?" -- Judge Smales

06-07-2004, 03:53 PM	#61
Neuqua Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Chicago, Ill	How come everytime the Lakers lose its only because they gave a lack of effort? Give Detroit its proper due, they took care of business where a lot of people did not think they could (in LA.) __________________ Our Deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, 'Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous?' Actually, who are you not to be?

06-08-2004, 10:02 PM	#67
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	Good game indeed, I agree. I kept checking here looking for this thread. __________________ It's true, it's true.

06-07-2004, 01:34 AM	#56
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	Excellent! Very good to see. It's interesting, the "game recap" on ESPN doesn't once mention any Piston. Basically it just goes on to talk about how poorly the Lakers (besides Kobe and Shaq) played. Well, no reason to fret over that.

06-07-2004, 04:52 AM	#58
ice4277 Pro Rookie Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Berkley, MI: The Hotbed of FOFC!	Good win for the Pistons. They executed very well on defense and hit the shots they needed to hit. However, they were a little sloppy, especially in the first half, and I don't think they can get away again with making some of the mistakes they made. This was the game they needed to get to make a series out of it, and they came through.

06-07-2004, 01:29 PM	#59
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	Sharpieman! Watch out!

06-08-2004, 12:54 PM	#63
Honolulu_Blue Hockey Boy Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Royal Oak, MI	A nice quote from the Sports Guy, a renowned Pro-NBA/Anti-NHL guy for years... Link: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/040608 But it could happen. If the Lakers blow the title, it would have to rank among the most curious collapses in recent sports history: An obviously superior team that fell short because they didn't want it enough. Contrast that to the emotional scene in Tampa Bay last night, as the Lightning held off the underdog Flames in seven, both teams leaving everything they had on the ice. After the game, an exhausted Martin St. Louis was interviewed by one of the sideline reporters, two fresh gashes covering his face, looking like he had just been run over by Billy Joel. It was a stark contrast from Game 1 of the NBA Finals the night before, the Lakers trying to win a title without breaking a sweat. And as Dave Andreychuk carried the cup around, screaming with delight at the end of a 22-year odyssey, I couldn't help thinking about the difference between him and Malone and Payton -- three guys at the same point of their careers, one of them reaching the promised land on his own terms, the other two guys looking like they just want the season to end. I still think the Lakers win in six ... but for the first time in years, I already find myself missing the NHL playoffs. At least those guys cared.

06-08-2004, 09:57 PM	#66
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Where is the bump at? It's a good game

06-08-2004, 10:03 PM	#68
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Two quick 3's and Luke Walton is playing?!? It's always someone....

06-08-2004, 10:04 PM	#69
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	LoL. __________________ It's true, it's true.

06-08-2004, 10:10 PM	#70
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	Luke Walton is the "energy" player for the Lakers tonight, he's gotten some minutes and now Phil is turning to him to "spark" the rest of the team. Phil is known for this, he used this same strategy back in '92 when the Bulls were down about 15 to the Blazers going into the fourth qtr. An entire second team came in and pulled off an amazing comeback. Looks like LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE is the guy he's chosen for this tonight. __________________ It's true, it's true. Last edited by LionsFan10 : 06-08-2004 at 10:11 PM.

06-08-2004, 10:13 PM	#71
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Britney Spears thinks he's hot FWIW

06-08-2004, 10:21 PM	#72
Anthony Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Astoria, NY, USA	yeesh, the NBA has to do something about these games ending so late. how are they expecting little kids to stay up for this? this is almost as bad as MNF.

06-08-2004, 10:23 PM	#73
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	Yeah, I don't know what ABC was thinking there either. When your 8 yr olds role model is on at midnight I guess lil' Johnny is SoL. Bad move. __________________ It's true, it's true.

06-08-2004, 10:28 PM	#74
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It's only 830 here. HEre come the scrubs. Kobe, Shaq, Rush, Fisher, and Walton!

06-08-2004, 10:37 PM	#75
Suicane75 Coordinator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ	Im happy I was wrong, this could be a great series.

06-08-2004, 10:49 PM	#76
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	This is insanity. Detroit keeps plugging away. I am in shock.

06-08-2004, 10:51 PM	#77
DeToxRox Head Coach Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Michigan	what a rebound by the best defensive player in the NBA, no matter what the voters said this year.

06-08-2004, 10:57 PM	#78
sooner333 College Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Norman, OK	Cluth shot by Kobe...damn.

06-08-2004, 10:57 PM	#79
MikeVic Head Coach Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hometown of Canada	Damn Kobe. heh.

06-08-2004, 10:58 PM	#81
LloydLungs College Prospect Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ponchatoula, LA	Seriously, did anyone think there was even a SLIGHT chance that wasn't going in?

06-08-2004, 10:58 PM	#82
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Wow. That was a fantastic shot...but what was Rip doing stepping back? Not that he gave him a lot of room... __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

06-08-2004, 11:06 PM	#83
korme Go Reds Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bloodbuzz Ohio	first of all, 89-89 at the end of regulation?? PISTONS?

06-08-2004, 11:07 PM	#84
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	This one's all but over, but great game by both teams. Pistons gave this one away, it should've been theirs. __________________ It's true, it's true.

06-08-2004, 11:11 PM	#85
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Luke Walton is now officially my hero. __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

06-08-2004, 11:14 PM	#87
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	How can anyone doubt Kobe as the best non Post player in the NBA? Sad to see him on the Suns/Clips/Bobcats next year....

06-08-2004, 11:18 PM	#90
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	Bug, you really think Kobe is gone after this year? I thought he said he'd like to stay, but I might be wrong. __________________ It's true, it's true.

06-08-2004, 11:23 PM	#91
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	It's just media speak right now, so who knows. I couldn't imagine anyone not stopping to hear the chants of love the city of LA has for a person, the way Kobe is in this town. I know he wants to be the biggest person on a franchise and he'll never be "the biggest" on the Lakers. But the Lakers is where he's been and where he'll get paid the most money to be on. We shall see I guess I hope Neuqua is crying

06-08-2004, 11:26 PM	#92
Vince Pro Starter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Willow Glen, CA	Shaq's getting old, right? Kobe's not all that old, right? Couldn't the Lakers EVENTUALLY be Kobe's team? __________________ Every time a Dodger scores a run, an angel has its wings ripped off by a demon, and is forced to tearfully beg the demon to cauterize the wounds.The demon will refuse, and the sobbing angel will lie in a puddle of angel blood and feathers for eternity, wondering why the Dodgers are allowed to score runs.That’s not me talking: that’s science. McCoveyChronicles.com.

06-08-2004, 11:26 PM	#93
kingfc22 Head Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Morgan Hill, CA	Kobe. Kobe. Kobe. Damn that guy can play. __________________ Fan of SF Giants, 49ers, Sharks, Arsenal

06-08-2004, 11:27 PM	#94
rexallllsc Banned Join Date: May 2003	Where is druez? Still think McGrady > Kobe? Heh.

06-08-2004, 11:39 PM	#98
MrBug708 Head Coach Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Whittier	Outscored 16-2 to end the game. Do you think this will be a pretty big emotional block for the Pistons?

06-08-2004, 11:48 PM	#99
LionsFan10 High School Varsity Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Detroit, MI, U.S.A	It's hard to judge right now. I think the Pistons know they can beat the Lakers, I mean you figure the game was theirs, it's just Kobe is an AMAZING player and they have never been through that kind of crushing play before, much less in the NBA Finals. You could see it on their faces after that shot, they were quite deflated. Now, they have to come to Detroit and play three behind just as rabid a fanbase as anything out in LA so their spirits will stay in-tact I think. To me, this was just the first time having something like this happen to them, in a game they thought they had in the bag and they had NO idea how to answer it. __________________ It's true, it's true.